MCU Fantastic Four Box Office Predictions

[DarthSkywalker]

97 was a show marketed for adults though. So I don't think that's a good basis for what the MCU X-Men are going to do domestically.

I feel like all these discussions are sort of the same right now. So, my part in the gloom and doom thing we got going on here is done. The X-Men are going to make what the X-Men make when they do it and time will ultimately tell. Same for all the MCU stuff coming down the pike. All the doom scrolling and such is just....not fun for me to discuss. So, yall have it it

I just think we're talking about the same trap that was set for F4. We love these characters. But that doesn't mean the GA, and especially kids, are that excited for them.

We live in a world where manga, not comics, is the leader in the US for young folk. And I mean under 50.

 

[Sithborg]

As someone who has read the actual X-men comics for almost 2 decades now, I can assure you, you do not want 97's tone. You can do the metaphor without extinction/genocide porn.

The ideal is another Black Panther.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

As someone who has read the actual X-men comics for almost 2 decades now, I can assure you, you do not want 97's tone. You can do the metaphor without extinction/genocide porn.

The ideal is another Black Panther.

So we aren't allowed to actually show mutants being hunted and oppressed, we just have to tell the audience that its happening? Seems toothless and low stakes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So we aren't allowed to actually show mutants being hunted and oppressed, we just have to tell the audience that its happening? Seems toothless and low stakes.

What? The Fox movies showed them being hunted and oppressed. It wasn't like 97.

 

[Snow Queen]

So we aren't allowed to actually show mutants being hunted and oppressed, we just have to tell the audience that its happening? Seems toothless and low stakes.

So an MCU movie.

 

[Sithborg]

So we aren't allowed to actually show mutants being hunted and oppressed, we just have to tell the audience that its happening? Seems toothless and low stakes.

Not what I said. My big criticism over using E for Extinction in 97 is largely because of the extremely dour tone it forced the X books into. There is a large difference between showing discrimination, hatred, and even violence against mutants compared to E for Extinction, and largely what that forces the movies to be. And the drastic nature you have to do in order to pull them out of that cycle of story telling.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Schneider doesn’t always get it right, but I have no reason to not believe his claim that the Fantastic Four have been greenlit for a sequel under Matt Shakman’s direction:

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“The box office wasn’t great this weekend, with The Fantastic Four: First Steps suffering a huge drop en route to a second weekend of $40 million, indicating that it will likely come in under Superman. I’ve heard that Matt Shakman will likely return to direct a sequel, which Marvel execs think will perform better once its First Family appears in the two-part Avengers finale.”

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First Steps is on track to gross $500M globally and that’s a solid permission structure for Disney/Marvel to pursue a sequel. Besides, they’ve granted sequels for other heroes who were previously considered B-List i.e. Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, etc., who saw their sequel stock grow after their connections to the Avengers films and crossover appearances in other characters’ solo films like Civil War. I can’t imagine a world where the FF don’t get the same treatment, if not better.

I think The First Family is going to be at the absolute center of both Doomsday and Secret Wars in ways that we as fans may not be fully aware of. If those films over perform, then this first film’s title will be very apropos: the first steps to a huge trilogy.

 

[mace1]

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[psylockolussus]

$382,248,212, finally outgrossed Black Widow worldwide.

 

[psylockolussus]

Schneider doesn’t always get it right, but I have no reason to not believe his claim that the Fantastic Four have been greenlit for a sequel under Matt Shakman’s direction:

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“The box office wasn’t great this weekend, with The Fantastic Four: First Steps suffering a huge drop en route to a second weekend of $40 million, indicating that it will likely come in under Superman. I’ve heard that Matt Shakman will likely return to direct a sequel, which Marvel execs think will perform better once its First Family appears in the two-part Avengers finale.”

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www.theinsneider.com

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First Steps is on track to gross $500M globally and that’s a solid permission structure for Disney/Marvel to pursue a sequel. Besides, they’ve granted sequels for other heroes who were previously considered B-List i.e. Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, etc., who saw their sequel stock grow after their connections to the Avengers films and crossover appearances in other characters’ solo films like Civil War. I can’t imagine a world where the FF don’t get the same treatment, if not better.

I think The First Family is going to be at the absolute center of both Doomsday and Secret Wars in ways that we as fans may not be fully aware of. If those films over perform, then this first film’s title will be very apropos: the first steps to a huge trilogy.

I just hope they greenlit the sequel as soon as possible. Because, after Endgame in 2019/all the things that came out of the Fox buyout deal, we really should have seen the reboot of Fantastic Four much earlier than 2025, and of course the X-Men. But we got these "other" films first that aren't even getting a sequel - Brave New World, Thunderbolts, Eternals, Black Widow, and even the one that was most successful out of non-sequels - Shang-Chi 2, has no sequel in sight because the director is now on Spider-Man 4 and there's still no pay off from that film.

I hope they return to what it was like in phase 1 to 3, we get a film for this character/ip and a sequel is guaranteed to come out in 2 to 3 years aside from the expected Avengers appearance. In hindsight, what was really the point in investing/watching Eternals when they just ignored it 3 years later? Why do we need to watch a Black Widow movie when Natasha is already dead and didn't even hype Thunderbolts since Thunderbolts underperformed anyway.

I believe the numbers also would have been higher if First Steps came out earlier and if we hadn't experienced those other films/tv series that didn't need to happen which just led to Marvel Studios imploding at box office and quality control.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I agree. Especially about Black Widow. The timing of that movie’s release remains one of the most stupid and confounding studio decisions to me.

 

[Venom 1988]

I agree. Especially about Black Widow. The timing of that movie’s release remains one of the most stupid and confounding studio decisions to me.

Its not that weird, Ike blocked them from making the movie earlier. Once he was out of the way, they started to develop the movie.

 

[Primal Slayer]

We deserved a black widow prequel trilogy

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Its not that weird, Ike blocked them from making the movie earlier. Once he was out of the way, they started to develop the movie.

I realize that, but that doesn’t change the fact that the timing for release was awful. The ship had sailed for her character. It was years late—she should’ve had solo films just like her brethren.

 

[GreenKToo]

You and me both. We’ve been literally talking/debating here the longest.

Ahem. ( raises hand ) i joined in 04. I was 32.

 

[Venom 1988]

I realize that, but that doesn’t change the fact that the timing for release was awful. The ship had sailed for her character. It was years late—she should’ve had solo films just like her brethren.

Eh while I agree the movie should have come out years earlier, I'd rather it came out when it did then never at all. The release date doesn't have a bearing on the quality of the movie itself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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Please don't post him. He's on the right side of history but he rarely deals in reality when talking numbers.

 

[psylockolussus]

I realize that, but that doesn’t change the fact that the timing for release was awful. The ship had sailed for her character. It was years late—she should’ve had solo films just like her brethren.

Also, aside from the wrong timing of its release, Black Widow the movie giving Yelena her introduction would have been more useful to Thunderbolts, if only Thunderbolts didn't come out almost 4 years since Black Widow the movie. Between the release of Black Widow and Thunderbolts, there were also other 8 MCU movies.

The lack of strategy and hindsight are just not very wise, and they are going to still deal with the ramifications of phase4/5 for years to come.

 

[Venom 1988]

Also, aside from the wrong timing of its release, Black Widow the movie giving Yelena her introduction would have been more useful to Thunderbolts, if only Thunderbolts didn't come out almost 4 years since Black Widow the movie. Between the release of Black Widow and Thunderbolts, there were also other 8 MCU movies.

Thunderbolts got delayed almost a whole year due to the strikes going on. It was originally supposed to come out in July 2024. Had that not happened, it would have been 3 years since Black Widow, which is pretty standard turnaround for a sequel/follow up movie.

So Im not understanding what your issue is here.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dont think the extra year of time between is what hurt Thunderbolts. It's essentially Black Widow 2, but without Natasha. So there is an element of a rebuild there

 

[lenz]

Speaking as an overseas audience outside US, I personally do not really think much of the political or too American when watching any Superhero movies or other movies in general. As long as the story and craft are good, I certainly will watch it over and over again. (This year, there are 3 movies that I ranked 10/10, and one of those is Sinners). That, and I also loved Spielberg's Lincoln

And I will be very careful since I will speak about politics a little, but imo, the thing that I think will potentially hurt the X-Men the most (if they'd really making the X-Men more political) is the controversy inside the US itself,not the overseas. If I am not mistaken, Superman, with mild political allegory has had quite making splash before the release, now imagine the uproar (among the right conservatives) with the X-Men?

This is the issue for me with X-Men. I don't see how it won't become a Star Wars on steroids in terms of toxicity and controversy.

If I was Marvel, I'd basically go the Fox route and keep it separate from the rest of the films in it's own universe as to not negatively impact the other films as directly. They should focus on Avengers and Fantastic Four and build around those characters. Let's face it, the Avengers are the kings of Marvel now so that should be the priority anyway. That franchise could be seen as the more family friendly, "less preachy" option to the more political X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

This is the issue for me with X-Men. I don't see how it won't become a Star Wars on steroids in terms of toxicity and controversy.

If I was Marvel, I'd basically go the Fox route and keep it separate from the rest of the films in it's own universe as to not negatively impact other films as directly. They should focus on Avengers and Fantastic Four to build around those characters. Let's face it, the Avengers are the kings of Marvel now so that should be the priority anyway and could be seen as the more family friendly option to the more political X-Men.

They can do the X-Men without being too political, if that's a concern.

 

[lenz]

They can do the X-Men without being too political, if that's a concern.

Well, there should always be a political element, but I'm speaking degrees here. The point is everything is political overload nowadays and many people are sick of being told what to think and feel 24-7. Even just a sprinkle of politics will be blown-up and scrutinized to the nth degree. I may be overly cynical, but I don't think it's going to be pretty.

Is that really a franchise you want to build a new universe around? If it were 10-15 years ago absolutely. Today the safe bet is the Avengers all day, every day.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, there should always be a political aspect, but I'm speaking degrees here. The point is everything is political overload nowadays where many people are sick of being told what to think and feel and bombarded with this stuff 24-7. Even just a sprinkle of politics will be blown-up and scrutinized to the nth degree.

Do you expect Disney to do a very political take on the X-Men? Because I don't.

 

[lenz]

Do you expect Disney to do a very political take on the X-Men? Because I don't.

I think they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. There seems to be no room for nuance nowadays, at least online.

If it's not too political, then they will get the complaints/attacks that it's neutering the X-Men, or they sold out to this or that group, etc. If it's too overtly political in one direction the pushback will be even more extreme and critics/commentators will have enough content to stoke the fires for the next decade.

Tough situation.