MCU Fantastic Four Box Office Predictions

How much will it make at the box office?

  • >$1 Billion

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • $1 Billion

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • $900 Million

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • $800 Million

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • $700 MIllion

    Votes: 14 25.9%
  • $600 Million

    Votes: 16 29.6%
  • $500 Million

    Votes: 13 24.1%
  • <$500 Million

    Votes: 7 13.0%

  • Total voters
    54
I haven't mentioned any of that, but you have. I simply want the characters to be closer to how they are in the comics. The MCU obviously haven't focused on proper character work in recent years and the course correction has only been recently.
X-Men aren't just allegories for the fight for civil rights. Their members are of those communities. X-Men by their very nature are political. When you write something like the bold it's very similar to your claims that Jen was "whining" about being sexually harassed.
 
Now I'm dancing around topics. Some seem to get me clearly and others don't. So be it.

You're pulling what I said about the 80s stuff out of context. I was agreeing and responding to someone. The 80s idea came to mind cause I thought about the retro futuristic 60s vibe from F4. Setting those movies in other areas would just be neat.
No Im not. You literally said making it modern day would be toxic/controversial. So again, how does simply making it modern day toxic?
 
X-Men aren't just allegories for the fight for civil rights. Their members are of those communities. X-Men by their very nature are political. When you write something like the bold it's very similar to your claims that Jen was "whining" about being sexually harassed.
Where in that post did I specifically just mention X-Men? I'm talking in general. You're misconstruing things, but have at it. You're after all entitled to that opinion.
 
No Im not. You literally said making it modern day would be toxic/controversial. So again, how does simply making it modern day toxic?
Did you see who I'm responding to? I'm agreeing with their take.
 
Did you see who I'm responding to? I'm agreeing with their take.
Stop you're willfully being obstuse.

My point was I don't see a way this won't be controversial/toxic because of the political DNA baked into the franchise and the expectations that comes with that, particularly with today's hyperpolitical lens.

Marvel Studios would be smart basing X-Men like F4 in this different universe maybe this time like the 80s or so. Making it modern would probably make it, as you said, toxic and even controversial.

No where does Lenz say making a X-Men movie set in modern day would be controversial/toxic.
 
It seems that based on current projections, First Steps will finish its run at around $290m domestically, putting it in the bottom half of the MCU overall.

In terms of first appearances, that would put it behind only Iron Man, GotG and Captain Marvel. You could also throw in Black Panther and Spider-Man if you ignore their appearances in Civil War.

So, it's a decent showing, but not exactly a home run. It's definitely a solid enough foundation to build on for a sequel if audiences respond to the FF's upcoming appearances in the Avengers movies. But if those films aren't the historic win that Disney needs them to be, then I don't know if there's enough enthusiasm for another First Steps in three or four years time. Marvel definitely needs to shake things up a little when it comes to their formulas.
 
I must have misunderstood him.
No worries. I think you misunderstood because I agreed with your idea for a different universe, but not specifically on the controversy coming from a certain timeframe.
 
That's fine but you're still not answering why you think a modern day set X-Men would be toxic.
That would require an in-depth analysis. I'll write one up at some point. In short, setting them in modern day might lead to misrepresenting real character struggles that were way more prevalent in the 60s-90s. It would be a controversial, toxic, and divisive film. You might run the risk or erasing or misrepresenting lived experiences of real marginalized people. Today’s audiences want more honest, specific, and inclusive storytelling, not just metaphors that skate around hard truths. Setting it in the 80s core themes of prejudice, identity, and social conflict would be more effective and would have a better chance to be well received. Again, just an opinion,
 
No worries. I think you misunderstood because I agreed with your idea for a different universe, but not specifically on the controversy coming from a certain timeframe.
Must have been the case. Silly me.
 
Where in that post did I specifically just mention X-Men? I'm talking in general. You're misconstruing things, but have at it. You're after all entitled to that opinion.
Then what are you considering toxic in relation to what? This is similar to when you wouldn't answer my question about your "critique" of She-Hulk.
 
Then what are you considering toxic in relation to what? This is similar to when you wouldn't answer my question about your "critique" of She-Hulk.
Kindly read above and in regards to She-Hulk - You liked it and I didn't.
 
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That would require an in-depth analysis. I'll write one up at some point. In short, setting them in modern day might lead to misrepresenting real character struggles that were way more prevalent in the 60s-90s. It would be a controversial, toxic, and divisive film. You might run the risk or erasing or misrepresenting lived experiences of real marginalized people. Today’s audiences want more honest, specific, and inclusive storytelling, not just metaphors that skate around hard truths. Setting it in the 80s core themes of prejudice, identity, and social conflict would be more effective and would have a better chance to be well received. Again, just an opinion,

It's a simply question and you don't need to write a thesis to answer it. You say "misrepresenting real character struggles struggles that were way more prevalent in the 60s-90s." Ok like what?

Then you say "80s core themes of prejudice, identity, and social conflict would be more effective and would have a better chance to be well received"

News flash. Those struggles are still happening today. The decade it take place in doesn't matter.
 
It's a simply question and you don't need to write a thesis to answer it. You say "misrepresenting real character struggles struggles that were way more prevalent in the 60s-90s." Ok like what?

Then you say "80s core themes of prejudice, identity, and social conflict would be more effective and would have a better chance to be well received"

News flash. Those struggles are still happening today. The decade it take place in doesn't matter.
Ok. You're smarter than me. Let's see what happens in some years.
 
That would require an in-depth analysis. I'll write one up at some point. In short, setting them in modern day might lead to misrepresenting real character struggles that were way more prevalent in the 60s-90s. It would be a controversial, toxic, and divisive film. You might run the risk or erasing or misrepresenting lived experiences of real marginalized people. Today’s audiences want more honest, specific, and inclusive storytelling, not just metaphors that skate around hard truths. Setting it in the 80s core themes of prejudice, identity, and social conflict would be more effective and would have a better chance to be well received. Again, just an opinion,
As we witness an attempt to genocide trans people in the United States and UK. As people of Latin decent are hunted by the new Gestapo. As reproductive rights are ripped from those who can become pregnant.

You are not a serious person.
 
As we witness an attempt to genocide trans people in the United States and UK. As people of Latin decent are hunted by the new Gestapo. As reproductive rights are ripped from those who can become pregnant.

You are not a serious person.
Not that all that stuff isn't important. How does all this pertain to the OG X-Men? Charles, Magneto or even Jean?

I don't judge you nor do I imply anything. Maybe just stop responding to me?
 
You put on this whole song and dance because you know posting what you actually meant would make you look bad. Don't be mad people are calling you out on it.
What makes you think I am mad? It's opinions that they don't agree with and you guys have been cherry picking along the way implying I'm slow and not a serious person. I'm pretty chill to this hostility.
 
Not that all that stuff isn't important. How does all this pertain to the OG X-Men? Charles, Magneto or even Jean?

I don't judge you nor do I imply anything. Maybe just stop responding to me?
Are you unaware that Jean can get pregnant? That the X-Men are constantly hunted by the government and other contracted military forces? That they are fighting for civil rights as a minority? I'm getting the vibe you might not actually have ever read or seen anything with the X-Men.

Nothing needs to be implied with you. You said it openly.
 
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