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MCU Fight: Captain Marvel Vs. Hela

MCU Fight: Captain Marvel Vs. Hela


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I didn't want to use Captain Marvel three weeks in a row but this match was highly requested.

We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Captain Marvel and Hela belong to in your posts. Also, don't forget I've now added the option of being able to change your vote if you change your mind. :up:


So, without further delay here is this week's match up


CAPTAIN MARVEL

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HELA

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CAPTAIN MARVEL

- Superhuman Strength: Danvers possesses a considerable superhuman strength that allows her to overcome several other creatures of the universe, such as Humans, Skrulls and Kree with relative ease. She was also able to stop a Kree missile traveling at high speed and send it against other missiles so that they could not crash into the surface of the planet Earth, as well as cross several Kree ships with relative ease and destroy an extremely huge armored ship, tying it down completely, despite the tough metal with which it had been manufactured.

- Superhuman Durability: Danvers' skin, muscles and bone tissue often have the density of the same tissue in the body of a human being, which makes them almost invulnerable. She withstood destroying missiles and Kree ships launched by Ronan without any effort and pass through an armored ship to destroy it and was left completely unharmed of the great explosion that was generated.

- Superhuman Speed: Danvers can move at great superhuman speeds. She is able to overwhelm several Skrulls, including Talos, in hand-to-hand combat, was able to easily dodge their wild attacks and land their own blows while in control of them. While chasing a Skrull through the city of Los Angeles, Danvers was able to keep up with the speed of a train to finally get on top of it. She was also able to handle Starforce members in combat, easily dodging their attacks. Also, by combining her speed with her flight capacity, she can travel at the speed of light.

- Superhuman Reflexes: Danvers can react and dodge objects that travel at high speeds, with her dodging many of the blows of the Skrulls and later the members of the Starforce with relative ease and almost effortlessly. Also, while flying, she was able to dodge the gunshots of the Kree warship.

- Superhuman Agility: Danvers has greater agility, dexterity, balance and body coordination than a human being. During her training with Yon-Rogg, Danvers was able to do elaborate cartwheels and flying kicks against Yon-Rogg. She was also able to dodge many of the Skrulls' punches and overcome them in her second battle. She was able to easily keep up with and surpass the Starforce members, despite the great agility in combat shown by the latter.

- Regenerative Healing Factor: Through her cosmic power and Kree blood, she heals faster than an average human.

- Longevity: Due to her enhanced physiology, Danvers' lifespan has been augmented, greatly reducing her aging process if not making her biologically immortal. This allowed her to remain physically the same age since she first became enhanced.

- Cosmic Energy Manipulation: By using this power, all of her costume, her eyes and her hair are surrounded by the cosmic energy that her body generates. This greatly increased Danvers' physical abilities and photon blasts abilities, and gave her the ability to fly at incredible speeds, which is what allowed her to defeat the entire Starforce, defeat, with a single shot of energy, Yon-Rogg, and destroy the ballistic missiles as well as almost all of Ronan's.


HELA


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Superhuman Strength: Hela possesses tremendous levels of superhuman strength as the first born of the King of Asgard, which allowed her to single-handedly wipe out all of the Valkyries (with only their leader barely surviving) despite their leader being powerful enough to almost rival the likes of Thor and Hulk, and to even easily catch Mjølnirwith one hand after it was thrown at her with full speed and keeping it from returning to Thor's hand, before crushing it in her hand with no visible effort, in spite of it being one of the most powerful weapons in existence, causing it to explode in a blast of lightning. Hela later slaughtered the Warriors Three and the combined might of the Einherjar with ease. Furthermore, she proved to be a lot stronger than Thor, who was also a child of Odin in two of their three battles, as she easily overpowered Thor, who showed considerable difficulty in fighting Hela while she showed no strain.

- Superhuman Durability: Hela's body, much like that of Thor, appears nigh-invulnerable, only to a much greater degree, which allowed Hela to easily block spear strikes from a Gungnir-wielding Thor with her bare hands, and to even catch Mjølnir without injury. Hela was even unharmed after grabbing a handful of the Eternal Flame, impaled through the torso with Einherjar's sword and stabbed with Gungnir by Thor without her body or her clothing being damaged, and emerged completely unharmed after a fully-empowered Thor hit her with massive lightning bolts. Indeed, only the revived and fully powered Surtur's Twilight Sword was able to crush her, thus sending the Goddess of Death into oblivion. Apart from Surtur, Odin was the only being capable of doing any significant harm to Hela, as he was able to beat and seal her away.

- Superhuman Stamina: Like all Asgardians, Hela's musculature produces considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than the musculature of humans or normal Asgardians, allowing her to defeat numerous Asgardians, as well as fight against the combined might of Thor and Valkyrie without tiring.

- Superhuman Speed: Hela can move at exceptionally high speeds, as she was fast enough to keep up with and even outpace Thor and Valkyrie in combat, as well as even being fast enough to catch Mjølnir with one hand.

- Superhuman Agility: Hela naturally possesses greater agility, dexterity, balance, and body coordination than that of a human, and even most other Asgardians, with her managing to dodge and outpace Thor and Valkyrie's attacks for the majority of her battles with them and easily jump through a crater and land fully on her feet.

- Extended Longevity: Due to her connection to Asgard and to Hel, Hela is immortal and will not die, so long as the realm of Asgard exists.

- Supernatural Empowerment: As the firstborn of Odin, Hela has a supernatural connection to the realm Asgard, and can draw power from Asgard itself to perform incredible supernatural abilities. Hela can manifest various physical structures out of thin air, ranging from weapons to ground structures to even her own armor. She can even draw power from Asgard to enhance her natural abilities.

- Weapon Manifestation: Hela can manifest various weapons out of different parts of her body, though she would usually generate Necroswords, daggers, spears, and axes. These weapons are incredibly durable and sharp, enough to not only instantly kill the likes of the Warriors Three and Skurge, but also even pierce right through Thor's nigh-invulnerable body, with Hela thus gouging his right eye out with a Necrosword and pierce his back with a blade from her elbow. Hela later launched oversize blades into a large gate to a secret cave where the fleeing Asgardians were hiding, allowed her to bring it down by telekinetically pulling the blades down along with the gate. She was also able to generate these spike-like constructs from the ground to pierce Surtur with, but that ultimately proved ineffective against the Fire Giant.

- Structure Manifestation: Hela could manifest metallic, blade-like structures from the ground surrounding her, as seen when she attempted to prevent Loki's spaceship containing the Asgardiansfrom launching from the doomed realm, and later when she attempted to gain elevation during her short battle with Surtur.

- Armor Manifestation: After being freed by Odin's death, Hela was able to repair the damage to her clothing and make her headdress appear and disappear from her head.

- Necromancy: Hela, as the "Goddess of Death", demonstrated being able to resurrect her allies, using a handful of flame from the Eternal Flame and tossing it against the ground to create a huge blast of green infernal energy. As such, she was able to revive her pet wolf Fenris and her Berserkers after discovering their corpses under Odin's Vault. She has ruled in the realm of Hel, where the souls of those who died without being honored are driven to.




*****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****


The character's current statuses below are as follows

*****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****

Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)
Thanos (w/ Filled Infinity Gauntlet)
Dormmamu
Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone
Surtur Prime
Ego The Living Planet
Odin
Doctor Strange (w/ Time Gem)

Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale?)
Thanos (Base)
Ronan with the Power Stone
Kurse
Surtur's Fire Dragon
Fenris
Ultron Prime (Vibranium)


Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)
Doctor Strange
Vision
Malekith (W/ reality gem)
Hulk
Ghost Rider
Ebony Maw
Scarlet Witch
Destroyer
Hulkbuster Ironman
Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
Abomination
Cull Obsidian
Iron Man
Abilisk
Jotunheim Beast
Kronan
Ancient One
Giant Man
Kaecilius

Top Tier (Street to block level?)
Ronan
Valkyrie
Hogun
Aldrich Killian
Loki
Drax
Heimdall
War Machine
Corvus Glaive
Iron Monger
Whiplash
Quake
Malekith
Sif
Fandral
Volstagg
Korath The Pursuer
Groot
Killgrave
Yondu
Lash
Hive
Frigga
Pepper Potts with Extremis
Mantis
Skurge
Korg
Baron Mordo
Master Wong
Corvus Glaive

Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
Black Panther
Captain America
Spider-Man
Gamora
Star-Lord
Vulture
Falcon
Winter Soldier
Luke Cage
Red Skull
Crossbones
Quicksilver
Iron Fist
Jessica Jones
Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)
Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)
Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
Madame Gao
Mr. Hyde
Slingshot
Aida
Raina
Deathlok
The Patriot
Carl Creed the Absorbing Man
Lorelei
Nebula
Miek
Ant Man
Yellow Jacket
Proxima Midnight
Erik Killmonger
Ulysses Klaue

Street Tier (non super human, agent level)
Daredevil
Elektra
Black Widow
Okoye
Rocket Racoon
Hawkeye
Nick Fury
Punisher
Coleen Wing
Batroc the Leaper
Shocker
Kingpin
Nobu
Diamondback
Bakuto
Peggy Carter
Sharon Carter Agent 13
Dum Dum Dugan
Mocking Bird
Maria Hill
Misty Knight
The Punisher
Phil Coulson
Zemo
Jig Saw
M'Baku
Shuri
 
Ragnarok Thor (without Stormbreaker) with allies didn’t really bother with Hela because she was so powerful. And they were prepared to unleash Surtur because getting rid of her was so important. I think CM would need to show more feats before I would consider that she could defeat Hela, not that she couldn’t cause her problems.
 
Hela

Her durability is off the charts and far more skilled fighter.
 
Hela.

Huge skill advantage, Thor level durability and strength and those necroswords are a huge danger up close or at range (Carol hasn't got any durability feats against blades)

If Carol stays out of close quarters she could survive a long time using her speed/agility in flight and her photon blasts. I just can't see her putting Hela down though.
 
Hela. They would rather have had destroyed Asgard and release Surter than to deal with her.
 
I don't understand the point of this fight when Thor couldn't beat Hela, and Carol lost the poll against him.

Anyway, Hela wins, obviously.
 
I don't understand the point of this fight when Thor couldn't beat Hela, and Carol lost the poll against him.

Anyway, Hela wins, obviously.

Thor is ranked higher than Hela, he beat her in a head to head vote after Infinity War.
 
Ah, I see. Thor beating Hela in any "fight" poll just further illustrates to me how skewed for Thor this board is, lol.

Just because you choose to ignore a clear power up in a following film doesn't mean everyone has to.
 
Hela, she unleashes a cloud of necroswords and cuts CM to shreds.

Hela is just about unstoppable.

Ragnarok Thor (without Stormbreaker) with allies didn’t really bother with Hela because she was so powerful. And they were prepared to unleash Surtur because getting rid of her was so important. I think CM would need to show more feats before I would consider that she could defeat Hela, not that she couldn’t cause her problems.

Hela. They would rather have had destroyed Asgard and release Surter than to deal with her.

That says a lot. The only way to defeat Hela was to destroy Asgard, that's serious desperation and shows how much of a threat she was.

Also, people seem to forget that Hela's first feat after escaping Hel, was to crush Mjolnir effortlessly with one hand - and that's before she got back to Asgard. If she can do that at her weakest... I don't think CM has a chance, and no chance at all if Hela gets a hand on her.


Hela.

Huge skill advantage, Thor level durability and strength and those necroswords are a huge danger up close or at range (Carol hasn't got any durability feats against blades)
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Ummm you mean greater than Thor level strength and durability - Hela manhandled Thor in all of their one on one fights and took a stab wound from Odin's spear and instantly recovered.

Something else, Hela is utterly ruthless. She's the goddess of death, her whole being is about making other people stop being alive. That in itself is an advantage.

Ah, I see. Thor beating Hela in any "fight" poll just further illustrates to me how skewed for Thor this board is, lol.

I think that's Thor with Stormbreaker - which I can see at least being a threat to Hela, given it's ability to overpower the Infinity gauntlet and nearly kill Thanos.
Post-Ragnarok Thor without Stormbreaker does not beat Hela....or Asgard would still be in one piece.

In that poll I still voted Hela.
 
Just because you choose to ignore a clear power up in a following film doesn't mean everyone has to.
I'm not choosing to ignore anything. Hela would kick his ass any day of the week, new axe or not. I'm just not seeing the all-powerful, all-durable Thor in these movies that you guys are. Hell, the Thor I see gets injured in just about any fight with someone who comes close to matching his power. Sorry, he just ain't the ultimate unbeatable force to me he is to you guys. Still my favorite MCU Avenger, though.

If anyone's that unbeatable force, it's Hela. Even more so than Thanos - she's Cosmic Tier, imo.

The way I see it, Thor's weapons are simply a tool through which he channels his inherent power. They allow him more focused blasts of lightning. They don't "power him up," though. Only new power he gained from Stormbreaker that he didn't have with Mjolnir was the Bifrost. And of course it happens to be a sharp weapon needed for piercing Thanos' thick hide, and strong enough to survive any blast thrown at it. But it would have little effect on Hela. As we've seen, sharp things don't hurt her. Neither does his lightning.
 
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I'm not choosing to ignore anything. Hela would kick his ass any day of the week, new axe or not. I'm just not seeing the all-powerful, all-durable Thor in these movies that you guys are. Hell, the Thor I see gets injured in just about any fight with someone who comes close to matching his power. Sorry, he just ain't the ultimate unbeatable force to me he is to you guys. Still my favorite MCU Avenger, though.

If anyone's that unbeatable force, it's Hela. Even more so than Thanos - she's Cosmic Tier, imo.

The way I see it, Thor's weapons are simply a tool through which he channels his inherent power. They allow him more focused blasts of lightning. They don't "power him up," though. Only new power he gained from Stormbreaker that he didn't have with Mjolnir was the Bifrost. And it of course it happens to be a sharp weapon needed for piercing Thanos' thick hide, and strong enough to survive any blast thrown at it. But it would have little effect on Hela. As we've seen, sharp things don't hurt her. Neither does his lightning.


Hmmmm....Stormbreaker flying through the Infinity gauntlet beam is a pretty impressive feat. I feel like if it can do that then it's pretty powerful, much more powerful than Mjolnir and even more powerful than Gungnir.

At least I think Stormbreaker gives Thor a chance against Hela. We haven't seen the limits of her durability - she can sustain full on implement and not flinch. However Thor is the most powerful being we've seen her fight - could she defeat Dormammu ? I would like to say no, certainly not in the Dark Dimension.

Could she beat Thanos ? Without any infinity stones, I think easily. With some infinity stones maybe not. It's hard to say.

On a related noted, what makes Thor such a great character - especially in Ragnarok - is that he doesn't seem unbeatable. In Ragnarok he gets beaten up a few times and Hela nearly kills him, in Dark World he gets a severe beating from Kurse. He still wins in the end but he really has to work for it, and that's what audiences like.

I think certain posters have oversold Thor's durability given that we see him lose an eye and get burned by an infinity stones, we know he's not indestructible ( although it was Hela who cut out his eye and her blades one shot hero asgardians, and surviving mere contact with the power stone is impressive). He also did survive the destruction of his ship and the near vacuum of space ( I don't think Hulk could do that).

I doubt we'll ever see Hela again, as it's possible the destruction of Asgard killed her- or Cate Blanchett is just too busy.

Tell you what, one thing we agree on is that Hela is just awesome - let's leave it there. :highfive:
 
I'm not choosing to ignore anything. Hela would kick his ass any day of the week, new axe or not. I'm just not seeing the all-powerful, all-durable Thor in these movies that you guys are. Hell, the Thor I see gets injured in just about any fight with someone who comes close to matching his power. Sorry, he just ain't the ultimate unbeatable force to me he is to you guys. Still my favorite MCU Avenger, though.

If anyone's that unbeatable force, it's Hela. Even more so than Thanos - she's Cosmic Tier, imo.

The way I see it, Thor's weapons are simply a tool through which he channels his inherent power. They allow him more focused blasts of lightning. They don't "power him up," though. Only new power he gained from Stormbreaker that he didn't have with Mjolnir was the Bifrost. And of course it happens to be a sharp weapon needed for piercing Thanos' thick hide, and strong enough to survive any blast thrown at it. But it would have little effect on Hela. As we've seen, sharp things don't hurt her. Neither does his lightning.

I agree that Thor is being massively overrated in these debates. But it is nothing new.
 
The way I see it, Thor's weapons are simply a tool through which he channels his inherent power. They allow him more focused blasts of lightning. They don't "power him up," though. Only new power he gained from Stormbreaker that he didn't have with Mjolnir was the Bifrost. And of course it happens to be a sharp weapon needed for piercing Thanos' thick hide, and strong enough to survive any blast thrown at it. But it would have little effect on Hela. As we've seen, sharp things don't hurt her. Neither does his lightning.

Stormbreaker did heal Thor from the brink of death to unscathed so it clearly does more than just focus his powers. Given the cutting of the film it looks like he healed up pretty much as soon as he got Stormbreaker in his hand, which makes it look like he could be healing like Hela did. I don't expect them to continue with that though as, to quote the rabbit, it's a bit much.

Power up doesn't just mean new powers either, it means making you stronger. That's the intent of Stormbreaker, as it would make little sense to make the greatest weapon in Asgard if it did nothing better than the other uru weapons (Eitri wasn't sure it would be able to summon the Bifrost, so that wasn't the sole goal).
 
Could Thor? She's more likely to go for it than him, after all.

He's unlikely to make that mistake twice and when did Hela ever decapitate anyone? IIRC, her blades were fairly thin and more useful at stabbing than slashing.

And those giant things she threw at Surtur really resembled spears more than swords tbh.

OTOH, a big axe is the perfect weapon to lop arms and heads off with.
 
He's unlikely to make that mistake twice and when did Hela ever decapitate anyone? IIRC, her blades were fairly thin and more useful at stabbing than slashing.

And those giant things she threw at Surtur really resembled spears more than swords tbh.

OTOH, a big axe is the perfect weapon to lop arms and heads off with.
Again, speed. There’s no way he’d be fast enough to do that, especially not with a weapon even clunkier than Mjølnir. She was SUPER fast compared to him. Y’all just seem to want to declare Stormbreaker some sort of catch-all weapon, and I see no evidence of that being the case. To me it appeared to be just another Mjølnir, but stronger (as in, able to survive more), with Bifrost power, and as an axe. It doesn’t suddenly make him unbeatable, just the same guy as before with a better, more utilitarian weapon. He can smash AND chop now AND teleport now! Still doesn’t make him a better fighter or physically stronger or more durable that we’ve seen.
 
Stormbreaker did heal Thor from the brink of death to unscathed so it clearly does more than just focus his powers. Given the cutting of the film it looks like he healed up pretty much as soon as he got Stormbreaker in his hand, which makes it look like he could be healing like Hela did. I don't expect them to continue with that though as, to quote the rabbit, it's a bit much.

Power up doesn't just mean new powers either, it means making you stronger. That's the intent of Stormbreaker, as it would make little sense to make the greatest weapon in Asgard if it did nothing better than the other uru weapons (Eitri wasn't sure it would be able to summon the Bifrost, so that wasn't the sole goal).
The weapons in Asgard are not power-ups, imo. They are tools capable of channeling these magical beings’ powers. So being the “greatest weapon in Asgard” doesn’t mean much to me other than “oh it’s even more indestructible than Mjølnir was supposed to be, and hey look it can smash and chop!” The Bifrost power is a nice bonus, but won’t be much help in this fight.
 

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