Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[Shoppy]

The next two years' releases seem pretty obvious but for 2022-23 it's a really tough one to call. This is where i'm at so far...


May 2020 - Black Widow
Nov 2020 - Eternals

Feb 2021 - Shang-Chi
May 2021 - Guardians Of The Galaxy vol 3
Nov 2021 - Doctor Strange 2


Feb 2022 - Black Panther 2 OR new property?
May 2022 - Captain Marvel 2 OR Black Panther 2?
July 2022 - new property OR Ant-Man 3?
If GOTG3 hits in 2021 then I think the only way Black Panther 2 is coming in Feb and not May 2022 is if the May slot that year is occupied by a Captain Marvel sequel. It's pride of place in the schedule, no new property is going to nudge T'Challa out of a shot at it.

Feb 2023 - new property unless BP2 takes longer to get to us than expected
May 2023 - whichever we haven't seen yet from Ant-Man 3 and Captain Marvel 2
I can't see Ant-Man 3 getting a May date over Black Panther 2 so this leads me to go back and fix my expectations for 2022 to...
Feb 2022 - new property
May 2022 - Black Panther 2
July 2022 - Ant-Man 3
...which would put Captain Marvel 2 in the May 2023 slot and another sequel for the last slot of 2023. DS3 would be nice but I'm going to go with...
Nov 2023 - Eternals 2 (unless we haven't had a new property yet this year in which case maybe Captain Britain & The Black Knight?)
...and all that considered, with the need for a cosmic property in 2022 and setting things up for a Dark Avengers vs New Avengers scenario in Avengers 5, this would make sense...

2020 - Black Widow, Eternals
2021 - Shang Chi, Guardians Of The Galaxy vol 3, Doctor Strange 2
2022 - Nova, Black Panther 2, GiAnt-Man & The Wasp
2023 - Dark Avengers, Captain Marvel 2, Eternals 2

Feb 2024 - new property (Captain Britain & The Black Knight? ...or at a push BP3 if they do keep with the Feb slots for his movies?)
May 2024 - Avengers 5 (SIEGE?)
July 2024 - ?

 

[Protar]

Going on previous talk of Avengers 5 coming no sooner than 2024, recent rumours about an Avengers movie as early as 2022, and then whispers of Dark Avengers being on the cards, I'm going to take a long shot and call Dark Avengers as the new property for 2022 and "Avengers 5" proper for May 2024.

Not sure if it will be Dark Avengers but I do think the last 2022 slot could be a non-avengers team up movie, to diversify the kind of team ups that can occur in the mcu.

 

[AvengerPA]

February 12, 2021 is Chinese New Year, the best time to release Shang-Chi.
February 2022 is the best time for Black Panther 2, because it is Black History Month
The first two Ant-Man films came out in July following an Avengers film. The July 2022 might be a date for Ant-Man 3, but so could July 2023.

 

[coreymb16]

February 12, 2021 is Chinese New Year, the best time to release Shang-Chi.
February 2022 is the best time for Black Panther 2, because it is Black History Month
The first two Ant-Man films came out in July following an Avengers film. The July 2022 might be a date for Ant-Man 3, but so could July 2023.

Why does everyone think that Black Panther will come out in May? Black History Month worked wonders for the first film.

I will be really surprised if they are going to wait four years to release BP2 after the huge success of the first one. It’s either going to be released in February or May 2021. Black History Month was not the sold reason BP was released/successful in that month. Remember it was supposed to be released in July 2017, then Nov 2017 to it’s release date because of Spider-Man: Homecoming.

No matter what month BP2 is in, it will do gigantic numbers. You guys at like if it releases in many other month but Feb, it will fail or not do as well.

Plus Ryan Coogler was confirmed to direct right after the first film came out. He most likely started writing late last year. Also most likely will go into production early next year in time for release in 2021.

 

[Heretic]

I will be really surprised if they are going to wait four years to release BP2 after the huge success of the first one. It’s either going to be released in February or May 2021. Black History Month was not the sold reason BP was released/successful in that month. Remember it was supposed to be released in July 2017, then Nov 2017 to it’s release date because of Spider-Man: Homecoming.

No matter what month BP2 is in, it will do gigantic numbers. You guys at like if it releases in many other month but Feb, it will fail or not do as well.

Plus Ryan Coogler was confirmed to direct right after the first film came out. He most likely started writing late last year. Also most likely will go into production early next year in time for release in 2021.

Absolutely no one is acting anything like what you claim. That is absurd. People are saying...hey...if it worked once and is ANOTHER avenue for promotion, then it could be a good idea to do it again. The same could be said for releasing Star Wars movies at Christmas. I mean...sure...a SW movie could do well outside of Christmas, but it worked and people seem to have taken to the idea...so maybe it'd be cool to keep doing that.

Zero people think that it won't do well if it is released in another month.

 

[MbJ]

Dark Phoenix tracking for a really bad $50 million debut makes me think it's even less likely they're gonna announce a new X-Men movie right away.

 

[JimThompson]

Dark Phoenix tracking for a really bad $50 million debut makes me think it's even less likely they're gonna announce a new X-Men movie right away.

Be better to take some time with it, anyway.

 

[coreymb16]

Absolutely no one is acting anything like what you claim. That is absurd. People are saying...hey...if it worked once and is ANOTHER avenue for promotion, then it could be a good idea to do it again. The same could be said for releasing Star Wars movies at Christmas. I mean...sure...a SW movie could do well outside of Christmas, but it worked and people seem to have taken to the idea...so maybe it'd be cool to keep doing that.

Zero people think that it won't do well if it is released in another month.

Did you read my post? I think Feb 2021 is a great date, but don’t agree about the 2022 one. BP is a proven IP now. They are not going to wait that long to release it in 2022 if it doesn’t get the Feb 2021 date. Especially since there probably won’t be another Avengers movie coming out anytime soon.

Marvel didn’t release in Feb because of BHM. Marvel didn’t even market it as BHM event film at all. It was because of Spider-Man’s insertion into the 2017 schedule, and BP still needed to come out before AIW.

Also Guardians of the Galaxy did very well in August 2014 and the sequel released in May 2017 and did even better. Deadpool released in Feb 2013, sequel in May 2018. Despite AIW looming over it, it made the same amount worldwide as the first. They may want to put Shang-Chi in Feb 2021 to take advance of Chinese New Year? Should Doctor Strange stay in November 2020 since the first did so well?

My point is Marvel will put their releases at wherever it make sense to them for their overarching story they have planned. Release dates don’t matter for a proven IP.

 

[Heretic]

Did you read my post? I think Feb 2021 is a great date, but don’t agree about the 2022 one. BP is a proven IP now. They are not going to wait that long to release it in 2022 if it doesn’t get the Feb 2021 date. Especially since there probably won’t be another Avengers movie coming out anytime soon.

Marvel didn’t release in Feb because of BHM. Marvel didn’t even market it as BHM event film at all. It was because of Spider-Man’s insertion into the 2017 schedule, and BP still needed to come out before AIW.

Also Guardians of the Galaxy did very well in August 2014 and the sequel released in May 2017 and did even better. Deadpool released in Feb 2013, sequel in May 2018. Despite AIW looming over it, it made the same amount worldwide as the first. They may want to put Shang-Chi in Feb 2021 to take advance of Chinese New Year? Should Doctor Strange stay in November 2020 since the first did so well?

My point is Marvel will put their releases at wherever it make sense to them for their overarching story they have planned. Release dates don’t matter for a proven IP.

Did you read ours? If you had you wouldn't have made that ridiculous claim. Sure...Marvel will do what they feel is best. BP2 can work in any month. No one claims it won't

 

[Web-Head]

Feige pretty much said we won't see the X-Men in the MCU for close to 5 years anyway. I'm totally fine with that

 

[Marvel united]

I'm not fine with it. I hope Feige wasn't being literal because 5 years IS a long time. I hope they introduce mutants much sooner than 2024-2025. I mean sitting on the X-Men property for half a decade seems absurd

 

[Darkprime]

I'm not fine with it. I hope Feige wasn't being literal because 5 years IS a long time. I hope they introduce mutants much sooner than 2024-2025. I mean sitting on the X-Men property for half a decade seems absurd

When you see Dark Phoenix opening weekend numbers being predicted as low $50M its not unreasonable imo to wait 5 years. we could be looking at another Fant4stic if this ends up happening X-Men will need to rest but thats not to say the characters might not pop up in other films.

 

[MbJ]

Feige pretty much said we won't see the X-Men in the MCU for close to 5 years anyway. I'm totally fine with that

Same. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and what not.

 

[Web-Head]

Same. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and what not.

I think a wait between TASM and Homecoming would have helped out immensely.

 

[Marvel united]

When you see Dark Phoenix opening weekend numbers being predicted as low $50M its not unreasonable imo to wait 5 years. we could be looking at another Fant4stic if this ends up happening X-Men will need to rest but thats not to say the characters might not pop up in other films.

Yes and what they need is the MCU to nurse them back to health. Not store them away in an old studio lot to rot away. I wish Dark Phoenix had been booted to streaming because the longterm ramifications of a flop are not good for the X-Brand

 

[Kuwolski]

Giving it 5 years to rest would be the best medicine.

 

[flickchick85]

Yes and what they need is the MCU to nurse them back to health. Not store them away in an old studio lot to rot away. I wish Dark Phoenix had been booted to streaming because the longterm ramifications of a flop are not good for the X-Brand

They wouldn't be sitting on them and doing nothing. They'd be developing their IPs and finding the best ways to introduce them organically into the universe. These movies take multiple years to make from development to post-production. 5 years is NOTHING. Maybe when you're young it seems longer because so much changes via school and stuff, but as you get older, they're gone in a flash. In 2014, I was living in the same place I am now. One of my jobs is different, but otherwise, it feels like yesterday that I was lamenting Captain Marvel (announced at that time for 2018) seemed like an eternity away. Nothing's gonna "rot." People will simply have time to forget the current incarnations, so getting our first glimpses of the new ones will feel more fresh and exciting.

 

[Detective Conan]

Giving it 5 years to rest would be the best medicine.

As they say, "slow and steady wins the race."

 

[Marvel united]

They wouldn't be sitting on them and doing nothing. They'd be developing their IPs and finding the best ways to introduce them organically into the universe. These movies take multiple years to make from development to post-production. 5 years is NOTHING. Maybe when you're young it seems longer because so much changes via school and stuff, but as you get older, they're gone in a flash. In 2014, I was living in the same place I am now. One of my jobs is different, but otherwise, it feels like yesterday that I was lamenting Captain Marvel (announced at that time for 2018) seemed like an eternity away. Nothing's gonna "rot." People will simply have time to forget the current incarnations, so getting our first glimpses of the new ones will feel more fresh and exciting.

I can't speak for everyone here but the next few years of my life are going to be transformative -- marriage, real estate possibly children, etc I highly doubt that's going to be in a blink of an eye. Depending on your life, the duration of time can feel very different from person to person. However way you slice it, 5 years is half a decade. And In that time, Black Panther will have already completed it's trilogy, Captain Marvel will be on her third film, Spider-Man may be out of the MCU altogether and Phase 4 will be over.

The X-Men are going to miss out on the most metamorphic stage of the MCU yet and even then, the actual X-Men movie may not be out until 2025-2026 because 5 years is the minimum time they could ever show up if we're taking Feige's words to heart.

I'm not within the state of mind to be in the "comfort that they're home" if Marvel sits on the property for 5-7 years.

But that's just me, personally.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

They wouldn't be sitting on them and doing nothing. They'd be developing their IPs and finding the best ways to introduce them organically into the universe. These movies take multiple years to make from development to post-production. 5 years is NOTHING. Maybe when you're young it seems longer because so much changes via school and stuff, but as you get older, they're gone in a flash. In 2014, I was living in the same place I am now. One of my jobs is different, but otherwise, it feels like yesterday that I was lamenting Captain Marvel (announced at that time for 2018) seemed like an eternity away. Nothing's gonna "rot." People will simply have time to forget the current incarnations, so getting our first glimpses of the new ones will feel more fresh and exciting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Dark Phoenix tracking for a really bad $50 million debut makes me think it's even less likely they're gonna announce a new X-Men movie right away.

I don't think they'll announce a new X-Men movie soon under any circumstance, but I think a poor box-office performance could help them start introducing these characters sooner rather than later.

If X-men goes out with a whimper instead of a bang, it will be easier for them to start fresh. If Dark Phoenix is huge, they'll have to give more time for that to get out of people's heads before starting fresh.

...and if it's really big, it could even *shudder* convince some in management that they need to continue with those characters.

... but with Simon Kinberg, I'm not really afraid of that happening.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I can't speak for everyone here but the next few years of my life are going to be transformative -- marriage, real estate possibly children, etc I highly doubt that's going to be in a blink of an eye. Depending on your life, the duration of time can feel very different from person to person. However way you slice it, 5 years is half a decade. And In that time, Black Panther will have already completed it's trilogy, Captain Marvel will be on her third film, Spider-Man may be out of the MCU altogether and Phase 4 will be over.

The X-Men are going to miss out on the most metamorphic stage of the MCU yet and even then, the actual X-Men movie may not be out until 2025-2026 because 5 years is the minimum time they could ever show up if we're taking Feige's words to heart.

I'm not within the state of mind to be in the "comfort that they're home" if Marvel sits on the property for 5-7 years.

But that's just me, personally.

I am going through many of these same life changes, but flick's right. At this point, days, weeks, years, etc. They're gone in a flash. 5 years may seem like a long time to see the X-Men start to come into the MCU, but it's really not. Especially when we have so much Marvel content coming out between now and then. Plus as you're saying these trilogies will be complete, that is only better for X-Men. Now instead of competing with a BP2, DS2, CM2, etc for a spot on the slate in the future, the X-Men can have more attention. We can get more X-Men based content out more quickly if they wait. Short term yes that sucks, but the payoff in the end should be worth it.

 

[Dark Raven]

They wouldn't be sitting on them and doing nothing. They'd be developing their IPs and finding the best ways to introduce them organically into the universe. These movies take multiple years to make from development to post-production. 5 years is NOTHING. Maybe when you're young it seems longer because so much changes via school and stuff, but as you get older, they're gone in a flash. In 2014, I was living in the same place I am now. One of my jobs is different, but otherwise, it feels like yesterday that I was lamenting Captain Marvel (announced at that time for 2018) seemed like an eternity away. Nothing's gonna "rot." People will simply have time to forget the current incarnations, so getting our first glimpses of the new ones will feel more fresh and exciting.

I agree that 5 years will go by in a flash. I don't think that is the issue for some. It's more that in 5 years, actors can come to the end of their contracts or decide they no longer want to play a certain role.

So the result of that is that in 5 years time, it can mean that many of the MCU actors who are in films now might have retired or their characters are killed off. 2014 wasn't that long ago at all from 2019. But let's say you had certain characters you wanted to interact with Iron Man and Captain America. It's not going to happen now if you introduced them post 2019.

So while for some it is a question of the length of time to wait, I don't think the issue of delaying 5 years is only about that. If actors didn't age and they were prepared to play these characters indefinitely, then yes, 5 years is nothing. But when it comes to having certain characters share screen time together, that's a different matter. A big part of the appeal of getting the Fox characters back was to see them interact with existing MCU characters. If they were lying dormant for years, then while they will be back at Disney, they could still end up in a universe mostly by themselves with most of the current characters or actors already having retired.

 

[chamber-music]

Besides the stuff we already know Marvel is making I would like to see these movies at some point

Captain Britain & Black Knight
Nova
Thunderbolts
Midnight Sons

 

[Web-Head]

I think Nova and Thunderbolts will be coming soon