Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here’s a thought: What if he’s playing none other than The Devourer Of World’s Herald himself the Silver Surfer? Probably not since the Fox-deal closed after the Eternals script was already written so I must suspect he’s playing a character he was written into the script before the closure of the deal.


But it’s fun to dream.

They could easily add SS in, at least as an introduction.

 

[CaptainWagner]

That wasn't really my point. What I meant is that for the X-Men to make sense, there have to be a lot of mutants around the world. And it'd be weird for them to appear out of nowhere all of a sudden.

Was it weird for a lot of sorcerers to appear out of nowhere all of a sudden? And I don't think there needs to be a lot of mutants at the start. Just a slowly increasing number that becomes enough that the incidents can no longer be covered up.

Here’s a thought: What if he’s playing none other than The Devourer Of World’s Herald himself the Silver Surfer? Probably not since the Fox-deal closed after the Eternals script was already written so I must suspect he’s playing a character he was written into the script before the closure of the deal.


But it’s fun to dream.

WOW. They are really going all out with the casting for this one. I bet he's Druig. I just hope that we start getting more of the diverse casting that was supposedly all the rage for this movie...

 

[Bayne]

Was it weird for a lot of sorcerers to appear out of nowhere all of a sudden? And I don't think there needs to be a lot of mutants at the start. Just a slowly increasing number that becomes enough that the incidents can no longer be covered up.


WOW. They are really going all out with the casting for this one. I bet he's Druig. I just hope that we start getting more of the diverse casting that was supposedly all the rage for this movie...

The sorcerors can literally make themselves invisible, though. It's a fairly easy explanation for why no one heard of them before. Also, Endgame didn't seem to have thousands of sorcerors, just a few dozen to maybe a hundred odd sorcerors.

 

[CaptainWagner]

The sorcerors can literally make themselves invisible, though. It's a fairly easy explanation for why no one heard of them before. Also, Endgame didn't seem to have thousands of sorcerors, just a few dozen to maybe a hundred odd sorcerors.

And mutants not only have government agencies closely monitoring metahuman action and covering it up, they also have multiple leaders, one of whom a psychic who can manipulate memory, seeking to keep them safely hidden from the world.

 

[AvengerPA]

The Eternals are D characters, not popular even with comic book fans. The characters will not sell a movie, so they are hiring A-List actors to sell the film.

 

[Detective Conan]

The Eternals are D characters, not popular even with comic book fans. The characters will not sell a movie, so they are hiring A-List actors to sell the film.

This is true. They're not even as popular as the Guardians(pre-movie). Even comic book fans barley know who they are. Even Shang-Chi is at least a B-lister compared to them and that's saying something. That isn't to say Marvel can't make a good or successful film about the Eternals but at least with Guardians the concept lent itself to being a fun escapist Star Wars-type blockbuster that can excite moviegoers enough to go out and buy a ticket. Eternals is basically "the niche within a niche", Marvel is going to have a lot of work cut out for them to get audiences on board with this movie.

But despite all that its still my most anticipated Marvel movie coming out in 2020. I'm very eager to see the concept art.

 

[Kuwolski]

It will beat Shazam and Dark Phoenix handily, and likely top JL. Not to mention other big franchises that came out this summer with great hype and supposed fanfare that under-performed dramatically

Nothing to see here.

 

[Darkprime]

It will beat Shazam and Dark Phoenix handily, and likely top JL. Not to mention other big franchises that came out this summer with great hype and supposed fanfare that under-performed dramatically

Nothing to see here.

I wonder how much of a boost it would get if we find out it helps set up mutants with the x-gene introduction.

 

[Kuwolski]

I wonder how much of a boost it would get if we find out it helps set up mutants with the x-gene introduction.

It would definitely give it a boost if there were 'rumblings' this may be the case. I actually think the freshness of the IP will do the film wonders.

 

[Oliver1986]

Was it weird for a lot of sorcerers to appear out of nowhere all of a sudden? And I don't think there needs to be a lot of mutants at the start. Just a slowly increasing number that becomes enough that the incidents can no longer be covered up.

I think you don't understand what mutants are supposed to be. They have nothing to do with the sorcerers in Dr. Strange.

Let's wait and see how they handle it. I'm pretty sure they won't do it the way you think.

 

[MbJ]

We still doing this "The upcoming movies won't sell unless Marvel puts in appearances from the X-Men or FF" thing? He's probably not Silver Surfer, cool as that'd be.

I wonder if there will be a cast reveal for some of the upcoming movies after Comic-Con. They did a separate event to announce Chadwick Boseman and Phase 3.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Keanu as anyone but Silver Surfer is a huuuuuge buzzkill.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think you don't understand what mutants are supposed to be. They have nothing to do with the sorcerers in Dr. Strange.

Let's wait and see how they handle it. I'm pretty sure they won't do it the way you think.

And the way they WILL do it you are assuming is... What? Separate universe with a separate continuity? All because up until now there's been no mention of the mutants?

It might be an issue for you and others but my suspicion is... That won't matter in the end to any discernible degree. The Mutant idea could be seeded in say, the Eternals and then fleshed out in full in an MCU film set in the same continuity as all the other films have been set and the overwhelming majority of the ticket buying audience won't care that until then there was no giant indication of a large and growing Mutant population. I for one think that if there was a separate continuity set up just for the Mutants it would blunt the reaction to the X-Men coming back under the control of Marvel on film for the first time far more than if they had the Mutants show up despite no grand build up to them.

 

[Bayne]

And mutants not only have government agencies closely monitoring metahuman action and covering it up, they also have multiple leaders, one of whom a psychic who can manipulate memory, seeking to keep them safely hidden from the world.

The idea that Xavier has chosen to just casually mind-wipe everyone who finds out mutants exist would be a terrible way to introduce the X-men.

And Magneto seems highly unlikely to just lurk in the shadows and accept his efforts being hidden by Xavier or covered up by the govt.

Not that the alternate universe idea doesn't have major problems of its own. I'm just saying this particular line of reasoning is a very poor attempt to justify the appearance of mutants.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

While I don't thin Charles wiping minds on a mass scale is a sufficient answer for Magneto... Yeah. He can indeed just lurk for a period and not be a full blown Mutant Supremacist Terrorist. Even in the comics he had to live life as a person before coming to the conclusion that he would spearhead a revolutionary movement.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The way I remember it from the comics, when the X-Men were first introduced, they were a small, mysterious group who kept a low profile.

Why should their MCU introduction be different? Why do mutants need to be common and well-known from the beginning?

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

The way I remember it from the comics, when the X-Men were first introduced, they were a small, mysterious group who kept a low profile.

Why should their MCU introduction be different? Why do mutants need to be common and well-known from the beginning?

Because the story of a small group of extraordinary people just had a ten years run. The discrimination and counter efforts of a class, the mutants, is what sets their story apart from the Avengers, not individual power sets. And to tell that story calls for a large group to be targeted

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The discrimination and counter efforts of a class, the mutants,

Hasn't this had a 20 year run?

Fox X-Men started with Senate hearings. The MCU doesn't need to start with them being known and feared. They can build to that.

It could actually be a story that develops instead of starting with it already at the point of fear and distrust (as Fox did ).

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Disney can try to build that world but would anyone have the patience to watch a 20 years story and wait for child actors to mature into adult heroes?

 

[Dark Raven]

Hasn't this had a 20 year run?

Fox X-Men started with Senate hearings. The MCU doesn't need to start with them being known and feared. They can build to that.

It could actually be a story that develops instead of starting with it already at the point of fear and distrust (as Fox did ).

I think it will have to go this route out of necessity. How will they otherwise explain the sudden mistrust, discrimination and persecution of these super powered individuals just because they happen to derive their powers from latent mutant abilities rather than from an external source? Do the entire world know that Spider-Man is not a mutant? Or that the Hulk isn't one? And what if, as an experiment, someone said that Cap US was a mutant all along and the SSS didn't really give him his powers?

How do people know whether Scarlet Witch is a mutant or not?

What makes someone like Cyclops or Jean Grey or Storm so different? Cyclops could just have a tech visor that allows him to fire repulsor-like blasts. Jean Grey could've been experimented on like Scarlet Witch, or could be like Dr Strange. Storm could be like Thor and able to control the weather that way. Colossus could also have a special metallic body armour like Iron Man. Does just attaching the label "mutant" change everything about people's perceptions?

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Just to add FOX could run a 20 years series but then they only had mutants and not non mutant extraordinary Avengers saving the universe in their stories

 

[jolldan]

Keanu as anyone but Silver Surfer is a huuuuuge buzzkill.

Yeah I really wished they'd saved him for that, he was my number one pick for Radd.

 

[person]

Personally, I'm fond of the theory that suggests the infinity stones were beings from the time before the big bang and were trapped during the creation of the universe. The eventual destruction of the infinity jewells after the events in Endgame could lead to their freedom and it would be a promising plot element for phase 4, in my opinion.
For example, if the mind stone contained the phoenix force, it's release could lead to the sudden arise of mutants who previously had the mutant gene dormant (which makes sense, since the maximoff twins were enhanced using the mind stone). If this were to happen, then society would focus on the issue of the rising mutants and forget the cosmic menaces for awhile.
On the other hand, the power stone containing Galactus could eventually lead to those major story arcs such as the Galactus trillogy and the Annihilation, provided that the characters involved can be used. Surely, as soon as Galactus is freed, his heralds (Terrax, Stardust, Firelord, Air-walker and the silver Surfer) would come along. And those characters could certainly be used in the Guardians of the Galaxy or Captain Marvel franchises or even in some future major cosmic level Avengers movie.
Inspired byt this theory and since Doctor Strange II is being planned, I think nightmare could be introduced as the being contained in the reality stone. I think it makes sense due to his reality warping related abilities and due to his ocasional red demonic appearance. I must admit I don't know much about this character, however.
Certainly, other characters and plots could be introduced this way.
As for the introduction of the Fantastic Four, I think the best way would be to introduce them separately and inside another franchise (similarly to Spider-man in Civil war) and eventually give them an origin story taking place in the past (like Captain Marvel).

 

[THORin]

Personally, I'm fond of the theory that suggests the infinity stones were beings from the time before the big bang and were trapped during the creation of the universe. The eventual destruction of the infinity jewells after the events in Endgame could lead to their freedom and it would be a promising plot element for phase 4, in my opinion.
For example, if the mind stone contained the phoenix force, it's release could lead to the sudden arise of mutants who previously had the mutant gene dormant (which makes sense, since the maximoff twins were enhanced using the mind stone). If this were to happen, then society would focus on the issue of the rising mutants and forget the cosmic menaces for awhile.
On the other hand, the power stone containing Galactus could eventually lead to those major story arcs such as the Galactus trillogy and the Annihilation, provided that the characters involved can be used. Surely, as soon as Galactus is freed, his heralds (Terrax, Stardust, Firelord, Air-walker and the silver Surfer) would come along. And those characters could certainly be used in the Guardians of the Galaxy or Captain Marvel franchises or even in some future major cosmic level Avengers movie.
Inspired byt this theory and since Doctor Strange II is being planned, I think nightmare could be introduced as the being contained in the reality stone. I think it makes sense due to his reality warping related abilities and due to his ocasional red demonic appearance. I must admit I don't know much about this character, however.
Certainly, other characters and plots could be introduced this way.
As for the introduction of the Fantastic Four, I think the best way would be to introduce them separately and inside another franchise (similarly to Spider-man in Civil war) and eventually give them an origin story taking place in the past (like Captain Marvel).

I kind of like this theory - I've been wondering whether the Infinity Stones would just cease to matter after Endgame, and I don't think that should be the case. They've been too important to be destroyed off-screen and without any lasting ramifications.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Personally, I'm fond of the theory that suggests the infinity stones were beings from the time before the big bang and were trapped during the creation of the universe. The eventual destruction of the infinity jewells after the events in Endgame could lead to their freedom and it would be a promising plot element for phase 4, in my opinion.
For example, if the mind stone contained the phoenix force, it's release could lead to the sudden arise of mutants who previously had the mutant gene dormant (which makes sense, since the maximoff twins were enhanced using the mind stone). If this were to happen, then society would focus on the issue of the rising mutants and forget the cosmic menaces for awhile.
On the other hand, the power stone containing Galactus could eventually lead to those major story arcs such as the Galactus trillogy and the Annihilation, provided that the characters involved can be used. Surely, as soon as Galactus is freed, his heralds (Terrax, Stardust, Firelord, Air-walker and the silver Surfer) would come along. And those characters could certainly be used in the Guardians of the Galaxy or Captain Marvel franchises or even in some future major cosmic level Avengers movie.
Inspired byt this theory and since Doctor Strange II is being planned, I think nightmare could be introduced as the being contained in the reality stone. I think it makes sense due to his reality warping related abilities and due to his ocasional red demonic appearance. I must admit I don't know much about this character, however.
Certainly, other characters and plots could be introduced this way.
As for the introduction of the Fantastic Four, I think the best way would be to introduce them separately and inside another franchise (similarly to Spider-man in Civil war) and eventually give them an origin story taking place in the past (like Captain Marvel).

I LOVE this idea.