Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

It’s going to be hard for Marvel to match the hype levels of Avengers 3 & 4.

The only potential moments I look forward to seeing onscreen are:

1 - Tom Holland’s Spider-Man Vs Tom Hardy’s Venom, then a team up of Spidey & Venom Vs. Carnage leading up to a film adaptation of Maximum Carnage

2 - Hulk Vs Thing

3 - Hulk Vs Wolverine

4 - Spider-Man’s bromance with Human Torch played by Dylan O’Brien

5 - Fantastic Four Vs X-Men

6 - Fantastic Four + Doctor Strange + Silver Surfer Vs Galactus

7 - Rise Of The Midnight Sons - team made up of Blade, Ghost Rider, Morbius, Moon Knight,

8 - Secret Wars

9 - Marvel Vs DC
 
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It’s going to be hard for Marvel to match the hype levels of Avengers 3 & 4.

The only potential moments I look forward to seeing onscreen are:

1 - Tom Holland’s Spider-Man Vs Tom Hardy’s Venom, then a team up of Spidey & Venom Vs. Carnage leading up to a film adaptation of Maximum Carnage

2 - Hulk Vs Thing

3 - Hulk Vs Wolverine

4 - Spider-Man’s bromance with Human Torch played by Dylan O’Brien

5 - Fantastic Four Vs X-Men

6 - Fantastic Four + Doctor Strange + Silver Surfer Vs Galactus

7 - Rise Of The Midnight Sons - team made up of Blade, Ghost Rider, Morbius, Moon Knight,

8 - Secret Wars

9 - Marvel Vs DC

:up: I can't wait to see some of those things. And I'm a little afraid Marvel's acquisition of Fox could be a little counterproductive.

All I'm thinking about right now is the Fox characters (including Doom who you didn't specifically mention).

I'm having trouble getting into things like Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2 and I have close to zero interest in Shang Chi and Eternals.

... I find myself wanting to fast-forward 4-5 years to get to the good stuff.
 
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I don’t know what you guys are talking about, but I’m way more excited for phase 4 and beyond. I’m sure it’s going to be way better than phase 1/2. I’m very excited for the sequels especially BP2, DS2, and CM2, which I think will be the new trinity. Also with F4 and X-Men coming on board, the MCU is just getting started. Unlimited possibilities!

Iron-Man and Captain America are not the be all end all for the MCU. We can move on and not risk getting stale. And considering both BP and CM made a billion dollars alone, I think most of the general audience are okay with moving on as well.
 
We're in a weird place with BP and DS specifically. Carol will be around for a while as she is new, but Boseman and Cumberbatch already fulfilled 4 films each on their contracts. They will no doubt be renewed I am sure once their sequels are out, but that puts them on the back end of their MCU careers already. They would maybe make it to 7 or 8 total appearances, which seems like a lot of time, but it really isn't. Especially if they opt to space out those appearances. So they won't be at the center of the MCU for very long. Carol is different as she is only 2 films in.
 
I don’t know what you guys are talking about, but I’m way more excited for phase 4 and beyond. I’m sure it’s going to be way better than phase 1/2. I’m very excited for the sequels especially BP2, DS2, and CM2, which I think will be the new trinity. Also with F4 and X-Men coming on board, the MCU is just getting started. Unlimited possibilities!

Iron-Man and Captain America are not the be all end all for the MCU. We can move on and not risk getting stale. And considering both BP and CM made a billion dollars alone, I think most of the general audience are okay with moving on as well.


Everybody likes what they like, and yeah, based on what Marvel's box office has been doing, it seems beyond silly to worry about them not continuing to soar.

But based on my own, personal viewpoint, I loved the early Marvel movies and I loved seeing the characters from my youth up on the big screen and it's been a great ride.

But while I enjoyed Black Panther and Captain Marvel, I didn't fall in love with their characters. They just didn't do much for me. I don't really care what happens to them in future movies the way I was interested in seeing what happened to other Marvel characters.

And I've never read a Shang Chi or Eternals comic book, so I'm not interested in seeing them.

Maybe I'm experiencing my own personal version of "Marvel Fatigue" that everybody talks about but never seems to actually happen. All I know is I'm looking at the next few years and finding it hard to get as excited for those films as I've been for previous films.

I would be excited for FF or X-Men in nearly any form, but GOTG and Dr. Strange are probably the only upcoming Marvel films that I'll make a point of seeing on opening weekend.
 
The list I see from Disney has only 2 releases for Marvel in 2022, February and July. No May. Some press also has three I think though. And 2 also for 2020 plus New Mutants under Fox. Only year there are 3 Marvel is 2021. Maybe one in 2022 is another Spider-Man solo so Disney can list it as theirs. The movie side could also slow because some resources are pulled for the TV streaming side especially Disney needs to have comparable quality as the movies.

Every Disney Movie We Can’t Wait to See Through 2027 - D23

The list I saw had three MCU films for 2022.
 
I also see two mcu movies in 2022 - maybe the 3rd slot is a spiderman far from home sequel
 

For those curious, Wardell previously leaked a bunch of Endgame stuff that was ultimately proven correct
including fat Thor, which he revealed in December 2018, as well as many of the time travel cameos like Jarvis, Crossbones and Stan Lee
. So he's seemingly somewhat reputable.
 

For those curious, Wardell previously leaked a bunch of Endgame stuff that was ultimately proven correct
including fat Thor, which he revealed in December 2018, as well as many of the time travel cameos like Jarvis, Crossbones and Stan Lee
. So he's seemingly somewhat reputable.
If his Guardians tweet is true, that would bring the total of major characters in my mind to
Star-Lord (returning)
Drax (returning)
Groot (returning)
Rocket (returning)
Mantis (returning)
Nebula (maybe returning?)
Gamora (being searched for)
Thor (seemingly joining the Guardians)
Adam Warlock (teased in GotG2)
Quasar (teased by Gunn on twitter)
OG Guardians/Ravagers (Stakar, Aleta, Martinex, Charlie, Krugarr and Mainframe) (maybe returning?)

High Evolutionary (tweeted by Wardell)
Moondragon (tweeted by Wardell)
Lylla (tweeted by Wardell)

That would be too many, wouldn't it?
 

This account is legit. Check their old tweets

the lineup would be great, especially with hopefully tim roth returning. but is ghost still considered a villain? after all she is saved in ant man & the wasp ( don’t remember if she was put in jail)
 
the lineup would be great, especially with hopefully tim roth returning. but is ghost still considered a villain? after all she is saved in ant man & the wasp ( don’t remember if she was put in jail)
Well I've never read them, but aren't the Thunderbolts supposed to be made up of reformed villains? Seems like she'd be a good fit for that.
 
With Marvel Studios launching Eternals and Shang Chi in phase 4 and Black Widow getting her own film, I hope they would focus on sequels after E/BW/SC before launching their 13th franchise within the MCU. I think Phase 4 would have 11 films (2 in 2020 then 3 per year in 2021 to 2023). I wouldn't mind F4 as one of the two final P4 films. But the Thunderbolts (if its gonna get a movie) and the X-Men should be saved for phase 5.
 
But hasn’t Ghost lost her powers after she was saved?
Hammer doesn’t has powers, but he could wear an iron-man-like suit.
And Zemo besides Thunderbolt Ross as leader Since he doesn’t have real powers.
Also two hulklike Powers in one team? Red Hulk and Abomination?
I can see Thunderbolt Ross starting without powers and becoming the Red Hulk during this movies

...if this all is legit
 
Thing is why would they bring back the Leader, Abomination and Justin freaking Hammer after all these years? I would be more open to Thunderbolts if majority of the roster is new or would be delightful in terms of visual/power displays. Does Ross turn into Red Hulk? Zemo is just a human. Ghost looked cool in Ant-Man but not someone I would be excited to return.
 
It’s so weird to think they’re already plotting the things we’ll be discussing nonstop for the next few years, maybe decades
 
But hasn’t Ghost lost her powers after she was saved?
Hammer doesn’t has powers, but he could wear an iron-man-like suit.
And Zemo besides Thunderbolt Ross as leader Since he doesn’t have real powers.
Also two hulklike Powers in one team? Red Hulk and Abomination?
I can see Thunderbolt Ross starting without powers and becoming the Red Hulk during this movies

...if this all is legit

Ghost wasn't saved, she was temporarily stabilized. When Scott was lost in the quantum realm it was because he was collecting more particles for her. She and Bill Foster were on the run at the end of that movie, but they could easily have been captured at some point.

I don't think you'll see Red Hulk and Abomination on the team at the same time - either Abomination will wash out and you'll get Red Hulk in the second movie or Abomination will wash out and you'll get Red Hulk at the end of the first movie so that Abomination doesn't wipe the floor with the whole team.

I also don't think you'll see Ross as 'team leader', at least at first. He'll be the man in charge of the whole project with Zemo leading the team (because he's literally proven more capable than most other known supervillains despite not having any powers). But I expect his plans could backfire on him in some way, leading to him getting demoted to part of the team himself.

Zemo could also easily be given some sort of technology or other. If they hadn't mentioned Justin Hammer, making Zemo an Iron Patriot rip-off would've been pretty obvious given his 'Citizen V' guise, but Hammer actually has the connection to Iron Man.

Hammer is really the one name here that throws me for a loop. He's not exactly fearsome, regardless of what suit he may or may not be wearing.

Thing is why would they bring back the Leader, Abomination and Justin freaking Hammer after all these years? I would be more open to Thunderbolts if majority of the roster is new or would be delightful in terms of visual/power displays. Does Ross turn into Red Hulk? Zemo is just a human. Ghost looked cool in Ant-Man but not someone I would be excited to return.

Abomination makes plenty of sense to me. As a character, he's practically unkillable and ridiculously powerful. That he might resurface somewhere eventually seems almost inevitable. The Leader presumably gets involved because of his history with Ross and the Abomination. As I said above, I don't think Ross will be part of the team at first, he'll be the guy in charge, though he could go Red Hulk in the final fight. And Zemo finding ways around being ridiculously outgunned is kind of the whole point of the character and what made him great in Civil War.

I do agree that Hammer is weird, but whatever. We'll see how it works out.

I also would point out that this group of characters doesn't have to necessarily be complete. There could be others included as well - maybe even some we haven't seen before. But having these returning villains definitely would help sell the central concept of 'long running villains trying to be heroes'. If every character on the team was someone brand new to the MCU, it would lose the history and that feeling of 'wait a minute, most of these guys aren't good guys, why are they suddenly the heroes?'.
 
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Please tell me this is the new property for 2022!

If it is [Nova] then in terms of spreading the cosmic characters out evenly over the next few years i'd go with this being the release order...

May 2020 - Black Widow
Nov 2020 - Eternals

Feb 2021 - Shang Chi
May 2021 - Captain Marvel 2
Nov 2021 - Doctor Strange 2

Feb 2022 - Nova
May 2022 - Black Panther 2
July 2022 - Guardians Of The Galaxy 3

...hopefully followed by something like...

Feb 2023 - Thunderbolts
May 2023 - GiAnt-Man And The Wasp
Nov 2023 - Eternals 2

Feb 2024 - Fantastic Four
May 2024 - Avengers 5
 
Thing is why would they bring back the Leader, Abomination and Justin freaking Hammer after all these years? I would be more open to Thunderbolts if majority of the roster is new or would be delightful in terms of visual/power displays. Does Ross turn into Red Hulk? Zemo is just a human. Ghost looked cool in Ant-Man but not someone I would be excited to return.

Opposite for me. Bringing these characters back makes me MORE excited for the project. The Leader has been one of the largest unresolved plot points of the MCU. Also, this is a way to add more depth and explore these characters in a new and fresh way. New characters would just be new characters.
 
I don't see the Captain Marvel sequel coming until 2022
In which case I don't expect to see Guardians Of The Galaxy 3 until 2023 .... It won't get the May 2021 slot above BOTH Black Panther 2 and Captain Marvel 2 and I don't think they'd bring it out the same year as CM2, the following would be a bit cosmic heavy in 2022...

Feb 2021 - Shang Chi
May 2021 - Black Panther 2
Nov 2021 - Doctor Strange 2

Feb 2022 - Nova
May 2022 - Captain Marvel 2
July 2022 - Guardians Of The Galaxy 3
 
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