MCU Power Tiers

[BigThor]

Thor usually trounces Doctor Doom, so his mind and powerd are definitely not limitless.

 

[Surfer]

Well when it comes to "mind", Thanos has them both beat, in canon actually. (Entire Infinity Saga/ The End) but that isn't typically used in a battle forum.

These battle threads are designed to basically put these characters in a situation where they have to fight each other in combat.

Yeah, when I think of the mind as being a power to be used in a Vs. Battle like these I think of Telepaths mostly like the Purple Man AKA Killgrave, not really just someone that is Super Smart. Although, I am not suggesting Super Intelligence is not a power once again, but I just think the battle would be over before they could probably put anything into practice by planning or building something. However, one could assume that the device is already built, but then it becomes like an Artifact at that point and should be listed along with the character, because the character alone does not possess that power.

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

Thor usually trounces Doctor Doom, so his mind and powerd are definitely not limitless.

Well Dr. Doom has built devices that have provided him with a power that even dwarfs Thor's. For example in the first Secret Wars Dr. Doom built a device to syphon the energy from Galactus, as Galactus was feeding on the Battle Planet and near by Star with the intent of taking on the Beyonder. Well Galactus collapsed due to the strain and Dr. Doom went on to take on the Beyonder himself. So, there is no doubt in my mind with time that a Super Intelligent Character can come up with a plan or device that would significantly increase their chances in a battle. However, to me the Vs. fights are like being in a boxing ring, there is not a lot of time to react, and definitely not enough time to build something or to make an elaborate plan. So, I feel Super Intelligence might give them a little boost in a battle and even help them win if the battle is pretty much on the fence, but I don't see it taking a characters power level from lets say a 3 to a 9. It would be more like a 3 to maybe a 4. At least that is how I see it for Vs. Battles.

Surfer

 

[jaqua99]

I think it's tough. Because in vs battles, I envision basically a random encounter with standard gear. The only intellegence I'd assume to make a difference in a vs battle is strategic combat intelligence, like Loki vs Silver Surfer, or Thanos vs Champion

 

[BigThor]

I think it's tough. Because in vs battles, I envision basically a random encounter with standard gear. The only intellegence I'd assume to make a difference in a vs battle is strategic combat intelligence, like Loki vs Silver Surfer, or Thanos vs Champion

Yep, it's basically the characters themselves how they're normal present without prep time.

 

[Surfer]

I think it's tough. Because in vs battles, I envision basically a random encounter with standard gear. The only intellegence I'd assume to make a difference in a vs battle is strategic combat intelligence, like Loki vs Silver Surfer, or Thanos vs Champion

Yep, it's basically the characters themselves how they're normal present without prep time.

Agreed, but once again I feel an exception can be made if a character is shown using something in the MCU that is not part of their normal set of powers as long as it is listed in the character description so there is no mistake. Once again it would be like.

Malekith with Aether/ Power Stone Vs. Thor

as opposed to

Malekith Vs. Thor

The one above in the description clearly outlines that it is not just Malekith, but Malekith with an enhanced object. If that is the way the fight is listed then he should have the advantage of that pre-existing object and not need to go find it. Where as if it is listed as just Malekith Vs. Thor people should not just add in enhancements beyond that of what the character would normally bring to the table. The same can be said for character with intelligence if they build a construct, and I know the Fantastic Four is not in the MCU, but I think the same rules would apply if Mr. Fantastic appeared in an MCU movie with lets say the Ultimate Nullifier. A battle could be.

Mr. Fantastic with the Ultimate Nullifier Vs. Dormammu

as opposed to

Mr. Fantastic Vs. Dormammu

The first battle suggests they already possess the enhancement and the people voting should include that as part of their decision making. The 2nd shows the character with their normal set of powers without any enhancements and people should be voting without considering those enhancements as being a possibility.

I hope that makes sense and clarifies things for people that have been having questions about this subject.

Thanks!

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Agreed, but once again I feel an exception can be made if a character is shown using something in the MCU that is not part of their normal set of powers as long as it is listed in the character description so there is no mistake. Once again it would be like.

Malekith with Aether/ Power Stone Vs. Thor

as opposed to

Malekith Vs. Thor

The one above in the description clearly outlines that it is not just Malekith, but Malekith with an enhanced object. If that is the way the fight is listed then he should have the advantage of that pre-existing object and not need to go find it. Where as if it is listed as just Malekith Vs. Thor people should not just add in enhancements beyond that of what the character would normally bring to the table. The same can be said for character with intelligence if they build a construct, and I know the Fantastic Four is not in the MCU, but I think the same rules would apply if Mr. Fantastic appeared in an MCU movie with lets say the Ultimate Nullifier. A battle could be.

Mr. Fantastic with the Ultimate Nullifier Vs. Dormammu

as opposed to

Mr. Fantastic Vs. Dormammu

The first battle suggests they already possess the enhancement and the people voting should include that as part of their decision making. The 2nd shows the character with their normal set of powers without any enhancements and people should be voting without considering those enhancements as being a possibility.

I hope that makes sense and clarifies things for people that have been having questions about this subject.

Thanks!

Surfer

Oh yeah of course of course, definitely.

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

soooo power ranking in Ragnarok:

Spoiler

1. Odin

2. Surtur

gap

3. Hela (can potentially match Odin if she stays longer on Asgard)

gap

4. Thor

5. Hulk

6. Valkyrie

7. Heimdall/Loki

 

[Surfer]

soooo power ranking in Ragnarok:

Spoiler

1. Odin

2. Surtur

gap

3. Hela (can potentially match Odin if she stays longer on Asgard)

gap 4. Thor

5. Hulk

6. Valkyrie

7. Heimdall/Loki

Maybe, but we probably will start slowly rolling out some of those characters for battles after Ragnarok has been released for about a month or so. To give people enough time to see it once or maybe even a few times before voting.

Surfer

 

[Batmannerism]

soooo power ranking in Ragnarok:

Spoiler

1. Odin

2. Surtur

gap

3. Hela (can potentially match Odin if she stays longer on Asgard)

gap

4. Thor

5. Hulk

6. Valkyrie

7. Heimdall/Loki

That's pretty fair - but

Spoiler

wouldn't we have 2 ranks for Surtur ?
Surtur without the eternal flame would be below Odin, but Surtur with the eternal flame would be number one, as he had the power to shrug off Hela's attacks and obliterate Asgard all by himself.

Personally, I'd put Loki one above Heimdall -I feel like he could have taken Valkyrie down, if he'd just used his magic, but foolishly he fought her hand to hand, and got his ass kicked.

 

[Surfer]

That's pretty fair - but

Spoiler

wouldn't we have 2 ranks for Surtur ?
Surtur without the eternal flame would be below Odin, but Surtur with the eternal flame would be number one, as he had the power to shrug off Hela's attacks and obliterate Asgard all by himself.

Personally, I'd put Loki one above Heimdall -I feel like he could have taken Valkyrie down, if he'd just used his magic, but foolishly he fought her hand to hand, and got his ass kicked.

Well any rankings on these characters at the moment are purely speculative in comparison to where they would be seated against other characters. However, you are entirely correct there should be a

Spoiler

Surtur with the Eternal Flame or Surtur Prime

as a character description and another character description just listed as

Spoiler

Surtur

.

Surfer

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

That's pretty fair - but

Spoiler

wouldn't we have 2 ranks for Surtur ?
Surtur without the eternal flame would be below Odin, but Surtur with the eternal flame would be number one, as he had the power to shrug off Hela's attacks and obliterate Asgard all by himself.

Personally, I'd put Loki one above Heimdall -I feel like he could have taken Valkyrie down, if he'd just used his magic, but foolishly he fought her hand to hand, and got his ass kicked.

Spoiler

the thing is, Odin stripped Surtur of his full power so I guess Odin > FP Surtur unless we assume Odin did a sneak attack.

 

[Surfer]

Spoiler

the thing is, Odin stripped Surtur of his full power so I guess Odin > FP Surtur unless we assume Odin did a sneak attack.

Well as I have said in the past decisions for placement should be based on what we have seen and what we know from it being mentioned as such within the MCU movies. This would be a situation of the later as it is known, but occurs off screen. At that point some speculating might be necessary on the individual's part as to how it was achieved. It's not a perfect system, but the results should still be considerably more accurate then one individuals interpretation of events.

Surfer

 

[jaqua99]

ATTENTION EVERYONE! This week's new battle has been posted in the Marvel Films board.

Visit, or check out my sig to find the thread, vote for a winner!

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

Well as I have said in the past decisions for placement should be based on what we have seen and what we know from it being mentioned as such within the MCU movies. This would be a situation of the later as it is known, but occurs off screen. At that point some speculating might be necessary on the individual's part as to how it was achieved. It's not a perfect system, but the results should still be considerably more accurate then one individuals interpretation of events.

Surfer

then Odin suffers a terrible L.


MCU destroyed him.

 

[Surfer]

then Odin suffers a terrible L.

MCU destroyed him.

Not necessarily, because

Spoiler

we know that Odin kept Surtur at bay, what we don't know is how others will interpret that knowledge. So, while it would have been nice to see more of him displaying his powers on screen it is possible some might feel he belongs above Surtur Prime due to that knowledge, while others might not.

All I can say is this fight has not happened yet, so everything right now is purely speculation.

Also, keep in mind if another appearance of a character were to occur that their power levels will have an opportunity to be adjusted based on that more recent appearance.

Hope that clarifies.

Surfer

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

Not necessarily, because

Spoiler

we know that Odin kept Surtur at bay, what we don't know is how others will interpret that knowledge. So, while it would have been nice to see more of him displaying his powers on screen it is possible some might feel he belongs above Surtur Prime due to that knowledge, while others might not.

All I can say is this fight has not happened yet, so everything right now is purely speculation.

Also, keep in mind if another appearance of a character were to occur that their power levels will have an opportunity to be adjusted based on that more recent appearance.

Hope that clarifies.

Surfer

thanks.

 

[Surfer]

The results of the Killian Vs. Drax fight have been updated on the thread as the fight is now closed. I took count of what Power Tiers people suggested in their comments and the majority of people felt both characters landed in the Top Tier. So, that is where they will be placed in order of Killian over Drax, since Killian won the battle.

Also, a new battle has begun with Hulk-Buster Iron Man vs. The Abomination, so make sure to head over to cast your vote and don't forget to tell us in the comment section which tier you think they belong in.

Thanks!

Surfer

 

[Playco Armboy]

I don't even understand why people even voted for Drax at all in that match-up.

Drax has nothing over Killian. Intelligence, durability, offensive capability, speed, nothing. I saw some dude postulating that "Drax would be able to figure out a way to win, so he wins!!!", and I just laughed.

 

[Surfer]

I don't even understand why people even voted for Drax at all in that match-up.

Drax has nothing over Killian. Intelligence, durability, offensive capability, speed, nothing. I saw some dude postulating that "Drax would be able to figure out a way to win, so he wins!!!", and I just laughed.

Well I personally did not see Drax getting as many votes as he did against Killian, but then again I did not see the Hulk-Buster beating Abomination like he is either. We just have to remember that while there is a lot of information out there that helps us come to a conclusion, there is also many different factors, considerations and perceptions that play into peoples decisions as well. At the end of the day peoples votes are based on a informed opinion, but an opinion none the less. However, again the idea is with enough opinions supporting one another there becomes an increased likelihood of their correctness and the lines between it being ones opinion and it being factual start to blur, making the results more accurate. Which is the ultimate intent of this power tier list is to be as accurate as it can be through the winnings of the battles. So, did Drax almost deserve to win against Killian, my personal perception of him said no, but my revised understanding of him based upon the battle that just occurred says Yes.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Surfer or Jaqua, please add Valkyrie, Heimdall, and Fenris to the list.

 

[Surfer]

Surfer or Jaqua, please add Valkyrie, Heimdall, and Fenris to the list.

I just sent you a PM about this, so let me know.

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

The voting for the Hulkbuster Iron Man vs. The Abomination has now ended and a new poll will be starting today in just a little bit, for Ego the Living Planet Vs. Eson the Searcher.

I will also, be updating the Power Tier list momentarily to reflect the results of the Hulkbuster Iron Man vs. Abomination battle.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Fenris wolf was a BEEEEEEEEEEEAST in Thor: Ragnarok!

 

[Surfer]

The battle between Ego and Eson has concluded and the Power tiers have been updated for both characters. Also a new battle has begun for Captain America Vs. Gamora.

Thanks!

Surfer