MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

Yeah, Bucky's got this. Schmidt never displayed much in the way of real skill, just brute strength, whereas Bucky's got both in spades.

Honestly, if you're gonna put a Hugo Weaving character up against the Winter Soldier, a better match would be with this guy:

Because ideas are bulletproof!

 

[Docker2.0]

You seriously kill me sometimes. No one voted for Juggernaut that I could find. A real thriller. LOL.

Oh yeah. Bucky. I say that because I am a proponent of blatant favoritism.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yeah, Bucky's got this. Schmidt never displayed much in the way of real skill, just brute strength, whereas Bucky's got both in spades.

Honestly, if you're gonna put a Hugo Weaving character up against the Winter Soldier, a better match would be with this guy:

Great idea, except one little problem..........he isn't a part of the MCU!!

 

[Fosterson]

Great idea, except one little problem..........he isn't a part of the MCU!!

 

[Fosterson]

Because ideas are bulletproof!

Question is: are they knife-proof?

 

[Docker2.0]

Bucky wins. Next up:

The Punisher

vs Black Widow

I kind of have a feeling how this is going to go but I'm testing something out.

 

[Luigi]

Frank Castle

Both are highly trained and deadly fighters but Frank possesses the stronger firepower and he's much more tenacious.

 

[Batmannerism]

Bucky wins. Next up:

The Punisher

vs Black Widow

I kind of have a feeling how this is going to go but I'm testing something out.

This is tough. Punisher is physically stronger and tougher, but Widow is probably a bit more skillful in hand to hand. Both are excellent shots.

It really depends who gets the first shot off. I don't think Frank has many qualms about shooting a female adversary and none about beating one unconscious.

Similarly Widow has no hesitation in shooting opponents dead, strangling them or breaking their necks in hand to hand.

In a prolonged hand to hand fight Punisher's toughness is probably enough to offset Widow's skill advantage, and he'll knock her out. He also wears body armour, so unless she shoots him in the head, he'll probably survive a shot or two and return fire.

I'm going to say Punisher by a slim margin 6/10. With Widow busting a cap in his dome , or tasering him and following up with a fatal shot or blow. 4/10.

 

[metaphysician]

Punisher vs Black Widow:

Black Widow. This is again one of those "not all non-powered characters are built equally" fights. Natasha routinely operates on a much, much higher scale than Frank, fighting larger numbers of superior foes and defeating them with greater ease. Also, the idea that Frank has "more firepower" is kind of laughable when one of Natasha's standard weapons is capable of slowing down *T'Challa*.

Or, to put it in RPG terms: both of these characters are Skills and Gear Heroes. One of them is just built on about five times as many points, and that one is Natasha Romanov. Which is why Frank needs to care about things like "ambushing his foes" against even ordinary criminals, whereas Natasha takes out an entire engine room full of mercenary commandos in Winter Soldier like she's in a John Woo movie. . . as a cold open, not a serious challenge.

 

[Docker2.0]

Punisher vs Black Widow:

Black Widow. This is again one of those "not all non-powered characters are built equally" fights. Natasha routinely operates on a much, much higher scale than Frank, fighting larger numbers of superior foes and defeating them with greater ease. Also, the idea that Frank has "more firepower" is kind of laughable when one of Natasha's standard weapons is capable of slowing down *T'Challa*.

Or, to put it in RPG terms: both of these characters are Skills and Gear Heroes. One of them is just built on about five times as many points, and that one is Natasha Romanov. Which is why Frank needs to care about things like "ambushing his foes" against even ordinary criminals, whereas Natasha takes out an entire engine room full of mercenary commandos in Winter Soldier like she's in a John Woo movie. . . as a cold open, not a serious challenge.

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"Now you know you messed up right? You know that right?"

But will respond later.

 

[InCali]

This is going to be really fun.

BW

 

[Docker2.0]

2-2 tie. Dang it! I wanted to prove just how overrated Black Widow was but I can't! Damn you Incali!!
Next up:

Green Goblin

Vs StarLord

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

2-2 tie. Dang it! I wanted to prove just how overrated Black Widow was but I can't! Damn you Incali!!
Next up:

Green Goblin

Vs StarLord

Who you got peeps?

Star lord 9/10. While Goblin is tough and super strong, he's also a complete nutcase, whereas Starlord is a sneaky, tactical genius with some awesome gadgets.

 

[metaphysician]

Green Goblin vs Peter Quill:

Hmm, yeah. I mean, Norman certainly has a big physical advantage, but. . . he's neither especially skilled nor especially stable. Peter Quill should be able to do something clever much more often than not, and it really only needs to be good enough to set up one good blaster shot. And its not like Norman has any advantage *other* than pure physicality- Peter also has flight, range, and tech, and has better in most of those fields.

 

[InCali]

2-2 tie. Dang it! I wanted to prove just how overrated Black Widow was but I can't! Damn you Incali!!
Next up:

Green Goblin

Vs StarLord

Who you got peeps?

Wahaha....hohoho....I told you it was gonna be fun.

 

[InCali]

2-2 tie. Dang it! I wanted to prove just how overrated Black Widow was but I can't! Damn you Incali!!
Next up:

Green Goblin

Vs StarLord

Who you got peeps?

Star Lord....who?

 

[Batmannerism]

Star Lord....who?

One dance off and it's all over - Star Lord all the way.

 

[Docker2.0]

Are you guys serious?! Green Goblin on his glyder is way more ruthless and wouldn't hesitate to kill Quill. Quill doesn't have a spider sense to save him either.

 

[InCali]

Are you guys serious?! Green Goblin on his glyder is way more ruthless and wouldn't hesitate to kill Quill. Quill doesn't have a spider sense to save him either.

Who in the WORLD comes up with these ridiculous match ups?

 

[Iceman]

Green Goblin vs Peter Quill:

Hmm, yeah. I mean, Norman certainly has a big physical advantage, but. . . he's neither especially skilled nor especially stable. Peter Quill should be able to do something clever much more often than not, and it really only needs to be good enough to set up one good blaster shot. And its not like Norman has any advantage *other* than pure physicality- Peter also has flight, range, and tech, and has better in most of those fields.

GG has the advantage on flight of those 3 factors, but Quill has the edge on strategy and that will win out IMO.

 

[Docker2.0]

Who in the WORLD comes up with these ridiculous match ups?

 

[Docker2.0]

GG has the advantage on flight of those 3 factors, but Quill has the edge on strategy and that will win out IMO.

That doesn't make any sense. So Green Goblin outclasses him in EVERY single way but because Quill can dance, he wins?!!?

 

[Iceman]

That doesn't make any sense. So Green Goblin outclasses him in EVERY single way but because Quill can dance, he wins?!!?

I only gave flight to GG out of the 3 factors meta mentioned. Also I didn’t mention dancing ability. Sure you’re not responding to the wrong post?

 

[Batmannerism]

That doesn't make any sense. So Green Goblin outclasses him in EVERY single way but because Quill can dance, he wins?!!?

I disagree that GG outclasses Star Lord on anything except strength and durability ( and he's not that durable, given how he died).

You seem to be preoccupied with superior might always triumphing. Sometimes overwhelming might is too much, but power is not as useful if the person wielding it is inexperienced and insane - like GG, compared to someone who was raised by mercenary/thieves and has a bunch of handy gadgets.

Skill and tactics are a big difference and these are weighted heavily on Star Lord's side - his weapons can probably at least harm or stun GG, so when you add that up I don't see GG doing very well.

We shall see how the votes fall.

 

[Docker2.0]

I only gave flight to GG out of the 3 factors meta mentioned. Also I didn’t mention dancing ability. Sure you’re not responding to the wrong post?