MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[metaphysician]

Vision vs Hulk:

Vision takes this. He's a brick in the same weight class as the Hulk ( consider his tussles with Ultron Prime ), only he also has flight ( fast enough flight to do a convincing Superman to the rescue impression ), ranged attacks ( powerful enough to one-shot Starktech armor and aid in messing up Vibranium ), and intangibility. The Hulk is pretty much never going to hit Vision as long as Vision doesn't want to be hit, and even if he does its not really going to matter much.

( Note that this is only bringing in the more unambiguous abilities, not the Mind Stone itself and its more esoteric abilities, or the somewhat iffy superspeed from WandaVision. )

The only way the Hulk can win this fight is if you spotted him a handicap and dropped Corvus Glaive into the arena so Hulk could mug him and steal his spear.

 

[Docker2.0]

Comic book Hulk destroys comic book or MCU Vision.

If we go by form from the films......

Avengers Hulk could smash one of Thanos' giant flying eel things with a single blow and ate a sustained volley of blasts from a small flotilla of Chitauri battle sleds, without being seriously harmed.

In Ragnarok he could take full strength punches, from Thor and be staggered but not be knocked out, and could hit a mountain sized Surtur hard enough to make him stumble.

In age of Ultron Hulk was KO'd by a cheap shot from Hulkbuster, after a building fell on him. In the comics this would not happen.

The gif is of the Norton Incredible Hulk, who is significantly less powerful and tough.

Professor Hulk, at full strength, could probably figure out a way to beat Vision - the comic enraged Hulk with his nearly limitless strength and durability could probably stand up to Vision's phasing attack, and destroy Vision with a punch.

So what does all that add up to ? Well despite Vision being a complete mug after Age of Ultron, he could still probably beat the Norton Hulk.

So I'll say Vision 6/10. What's not really explored in the films, that happens in the comics, is that when Vision phases through a person and then starts to increase his density, it also puts a strain on him as well as the target - once he phased through the Blob, and increased to near normal density, without knocking Blob out or seriously injuring him - and being near solid, Rogue then knocked him out.

That's not true.

 

[Batmannerism]

That's not true.

That's not true.

What feats has Norton Hulk got, that are even close to Avengers' Hulk, so you can prove me wrong ?

 

[Batmannerism]

THE INCREDIBLE HULK

Actually; when he fought Abomonation he was in a weakened state for most of the battle due to being injected by Stern's cure, once he regained full strength while worried about the safety of Betty his iris turned glowing green. Earlier in the movie he took huge leaps from Brazil to Guatemala and reached there pretty quick, and that required more strength than what was shown in Avengers when he was out of control.

My friend, I am glad you are here, but I beg to differ. Well, I'll just come out and say it....you're wrong.

Watch this.



In Age of Ultron Hulk gets from the coast to Johannesburg in about 30 seconds of being off screen.

Johannesburg is 400 km or so inland. Oops sorry, that's 500km inland.

I think that comfortably trumps anything by Norton Hulk.

 

[Fosterson]

My friend, I am glad you are here, but I beg to differ. Well, I'll just come out and say it....you're wrong.

Watch this.



In Age of Ultron Hulk gets from the coast to Johannesburg in about 30 seconds of being off screen.

Johannesburg is 400 km or so inland. Oops sorry, that's 500km inland.

I think that comfortably trumps anything by Norton Hulk.

Yeah, I find it kinda weird that some people seem to think that Norton Hulk had better feats than RuffaHulk (even though they're the same Hulk lol), when RuffaHulk did way more impressive things.

 

[Docker2.0]

Vision wins. Next up:
Gamora

Vs resurrected Elektra

Who you got peeps?

 

[Docker2.0]

My friend, I am glad you are here, but I beg to differ. Well, I'll just come out and say it....you're wrong.

Watch this.



In Age of Ultron Hulk gets from the coast to Johannesburg in about 30 seconds of being off screen.

Johannesburg is 400 km or so inland. Oops sorry, that's 500km inland.

I think that comfortably trumps anything by Norton Hulk.

You are forgetting one big thing: Budget!! The only reason the Hulk didn't do more things in his initial movie was because it was Marvel's first big budget movie(I know Iron Man but still)it didn't have Disney backing them up. They couldn't go full Hulk in the movie. It's the same character.

 

[Luigi]

Gamora

Elektra might have the upper hand when it comes to skill but Gamora is far more stronger and could fling her across the room.

 

[Batmannerism]

You are forgetting one big thing: Budget!! The only reason the Hulk didn't do more things in his initial movie was because it was Marvel's first big budget movie(I know Iron Man but still)it didn't have Disney backing them up. They couldn't go full Hulk in the movie. It's the same character.

I dont want to be rude to you, but that is just ridiculous on the face of it. How can you take budget into consideration ? You're saying Norton Hulk could have done the same things as Ruffalo Hulk, but didn't due to budgetary constraints ?

Comparing the relative feats of superheroes is a pretty tenuous exercise already, but your suggestion takes a saw to the branch we are sitting on.

To validly compare who can defeat who, we need to base comparison on feats we see on the screen - not some hypothetical factor that's completely external to the story and characters.

You might as well say Hulk can beat Thanos, but didn't because the studio needed to make a two-part story to make as much money as possible and so the writers chose to have him lose to Thanos in Infinity War.

 

[Batmannerism]

Gamora

Elektra might have the upper hand when it comes to skill but Gamora is far more stronger and could fling her across the room.

Good comparison, both were raised by manipulative bastards, to be killers.

Resurrected Elektra is not as strong as Gamora, and probably not as durable either ( Gamora's a cyborg).

However, strength and toughness are not the only factors in a fight. Skill wise I give Elektra a bit of an edge, but tactically is where she definitely has the biggest advantage (Elektra is a lot smarter than Gamora) and able to fight Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage, at the same time.

I give this one to Elektra.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

GAMORA

How can Elektra win this one? She's probably dog biscuits in this fight.

My friend, I am glad you are here, but I beg to differ. Well, I'll just come out and say it....you're wrong.

Watch this.



In Age of Ultron Hulk gets from the coast to Johannesburg in about 30 seconds of being off screen.

Johannesburg is 400 km or so inland. Oops sorry, that's 500km inland.

I think that comfortably trumps anything by Norton Hulk.

I said the first Avengers movie, and only helicarrier scene.

 

[metaphysician]

I dont want to be rude to you, but that is just ridiculous on the face of it. How can you take budget into consideration ? You're saying Norton Hulk could have done the same things as Ruffalo Hulk, but didn't due to budgetary constraints ?

Comparing the relative feats of superheroes is a pretty tenuous exercise already, but your suggestion takes a saw to the branch we are sitting on.

To validly compare who can defeat who, we need to base comparison on feats we see on the screen - not some hypothetical factor that's completely external to the story and characters.

You might as well say Hulk can beat Thanos, but didn't because the studio needed to make a two-part story to make as much money as possible and so the writers chose to have him lose to Thanos in Infinity War.

This, 100% this. "They are actually stronger, just budget" is the same utter nonsense people have used to try and argue around clear onscreen evidence since at least Buffy, IME. It is nonsense there, and its nonsense here. Is the Hulk in TIH the same character as in later movies? Sure. But that doesn't mean his feats in TIH are suddenly ten times better than they actually are in the movie.

Anyway, Gamorra vs Elektra? Gamora every single time. I did not find Elektra impressive, even with her post-resurrection powerup, which seemed little more than a fairly modest amount of enhanced strength and durability. Gamora is stronger, tougher, and almost certainly more skilled. . . and she carries around better weapons, to boot.

 

[ernesth100]

Vision wins. Next up:
Gamora

Vs resurrected Elektra

Who you got peeps?

Gamora is far stronger. She'll snap Elektra like a twig.

 

[InCali]

Gamora easily takes out 3 or 4 Elektras.

 

[Docker2.0]

Fine. You guys suck! Especially you InCali! Next up:
Luke Cage

Vs Zombie mode Bucky Barnes

Who you got peeps?

 

[InCali]

Fine. You guys suck! Especially you InCali! Next up:
Luke Cage

Vs Zombie mode Bucky Barnes

Who you got peeps?

I must be doing something right. Yay me.

TWS

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Bucky can easily avoid Luke but hardly break him, unless he has a shotgun for fire at Luke's head point blank, which I doubt Mr. Cage would allow.

It's a stalemate. Sorry Docker.

 

[Batmannerism]

Fine. You guys suck! Especially you InCali! Next up:
Luke Cage

Vs Zombie mode Bucky Barnes

Who you got peeps?

That version of Bucky has guns, grenades and knives - most of which will merely annoy Cage.

He's not as strong or tough but more skillful. His grenades might be able to KO or stun Cage. Also, he's a smarter and nastier fighter. I give him the edge here. Soooo Bucky , at least 6/10.

 

[metaphysician]

Luke Cage vs the Winter Soldier:

Bucky takes it 9/10. Bucky is Cap-level strong all around, and his cyber arm is significantly stronger. That's more than enough damage to hurt Luke, who we've seen can't exactly ignore things like light Hammertech exoskeletons or Bushmaster, neither of who are vastly stronger than Bucky. Combine that with also being faster, stealthier, and enormously more skilled. Sure, the various guns won't do more than annoy Luke, but they don't have to.

I give Luke one for the odd chance that he lucks into a grapple, where his superior strength and unbreakable skin would give him a shot at achieving an inescapable pin. But honestly, that's probably being generous to Luke.

 

[Docker2.0]

Bucky wins...............in a shocker! I can't believe you guys have him beating Luke Cage.

Next up:
Starlord

Vs the Punisher

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Bucky wins...............in a shocker! I can't believe you guys have him beating Luke Cage.

Next up:
Starlord

Vs the Punisher

Who you got peeps?

In a straight up fist fight or gun fight, easily the Punisher.

However, Star Lord is a tactical genius, there is almost never going to be a straight up fight.

I give this ti StarLord 9/10. The Punisher is tough, but only human. Star Lord's weapons are easily capable of putting him down in one shot.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

CELESTIAL PRINCE/STARLORD

 

[metaphysician]

Starlord vs Punisher:

Peter Quill takes it more often than not. Ultimately this is something of a fast draw, unless we want to assume Peter's ravager garb provides some level of armor protection ( it might well, but there's no real evidence ). Both are highly skilled human level gunfighters, but Peter has better gear and is dodgier. Frank is usually going to eat a blaster bolt before Peter eats a bullet.

 

[InCali]

Star Lord, man. Legendary Outlaw? Guys?

 

[Bayne]

Star-lord is a tactical genius? What? Dude 'plans' by the seat of his pants (and is directly responsible for giving Thanos the win on Titan as a result). And almost all of his real tactical accomplishments were planned by Rocket or Gamora. Punisher is actually a smart tactical fighter, not Quill.

Granted, Punisher's weapons are nothing compared to what Quill has and Quill's boots let him fly, too, so Quill still has the advantage here. If Frank had the luxury of planning ahead, he would probably find a way to get his hands on some of Peter's weapons (or just to shoot him in the head before he knew he was there - Quill is not exactly observant, either). In a fair fight, though, better tech will usually beat out better tactical instincts - especially with those rocket boots, flying is too big of an advantage - so Quill probably wins 6/10.