MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

You guys suck! All of you!!

........except Spider Aziz. He's aight in my book. Next up:

White Vision

vs Agatha Harkness

Who you got peeps?

Do Vision's powers work against magic? Clearly chaos magic can affect him to some degree, or Wanda's Vision couldn't.

I'll say Agatha.

 

[Fosterson]

Not sure about this one. We saw that Agatha was fine after being slammed into a wall by a car so punching her probably isn't going to do much good. On the other hand, Vision's attacks aren't magical in nature so she won't be able to absorb them like she did Wanda's.

I give Vision a slight majority, as I think his phasing could let him get the win.

 

[Fosterson]

Also, we need a fight between Quicksilver and

Spoiler

Ralph Bohner

 

[Docker2.0]

Do Vision's powers work against magic? Clearly chaos magic can affect him to some degree, or Wanda's Vision couldn't.

I'll say Agatha.

What if there was no Scarlett Witch and Agatha decided to take over the world and the only Avenger available was Vision? We would have to find out the hard way.

 

[Luigi]

Hmm tough one since we haven't seen much from these two fighters. I'll give this one to Agatha. She seemed fine after getting hit by a car and could probably manipulate White Vision with her magic.

 

[ernesth100]

I'll give it to Agatha 6/10 don't know if she can absorb his energy too or not. If not then WVis 6/10. Because the head laser itself is apparently as powerful if not more so than an infinity stone.

WVis was keeping up with and even got close to KOing Vis a couple of times. I'd say if Agatha can't absorb his energy and take the power. There's no reason to suggest her magic can penetrate him or that his laser can't rip her in two.

Again, it really comes down to whether or not Agatha can absorb any energy or simply magic. I'm assuming magic. So I'm giving it to Vision.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'll give it to Agatha 6/10 don't know if she can absorb his energy too or not. If not then WVis 6/10. Because the head laser itself is apparently as powerful if not more so than an infinity stone.

WVis was keeping up with and even got close to KOing Vis a couple of times. I'd say if Agatha can't absorb his energy and take the power. There's no reason to suggest her magic can penetrate him or that his laser can't rip her in two.

Again, it really comes down to whether or not Agatha can absorb any energy or simply magic. I'm assuming magic. So I'm giving it to Vision.

Just a sec there mate, the Vision who fought White Vision was just a construct of Wanda's power, the Infinity stone in his head was as fake as he was -

I suggest that a real Infinity stone might be a bit more powerful than that, given that the power stone could wipe out life on an entire planet, the reality stone could extinguish stars and revert the universe back to dark matter, the time stone could control time itself, the space stone could teleport across the universe and open portals that armies could cross through....you get the idea.

 

[ernesth100]

Im just saying it's still implied that it's incredibly powerful.

 

[metaphysician]

Agatha vs White Vision:

I'm inclined to say Agatha, mostly because if we use "been in the Hex for weeks" power levels, she seemed to be beyond simple physical force. Blind siding her with a truck barely more than inconvenienced her. This probably isn't representative of "normal Agatha" power levels, but we literally have no idea what those would be.

Oh, and re: Wanda vs Strange, I would take that with a grain of salt. The only word that the hypothetical Scarlet Witch is even more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme, comes from someone who could very forgivingly be described as a questionable source. Don't presume that Agatha is either all knowing or unbiased.

 

[Docker2.0]

Agatha wins by a landslide which is insane!! Next up:

Killmonger

vs Spiderman

Who you got peeps?

 

[Imjenn]

Oh man, this is a fun match up. Killmonger doesn't hesitate to fight brutally, whereas Peter avoids it whenever he can. Is Peter strong enough to cause damage to the vibranium suit? Is he durable to take the hits that Killmonger will dish out?

Spidey probably fights at range for a while, but can't disable Killmonger, and once Spidey gets in close, it's over. With the black panther powerset and suit, he defeats Spidey, fairly easily I'd say.

 

[Batmannerism]

Agatha wins by a landslide which is insane!! Next up:

Killmonger

vs Spiderman

Who you got peeps?

Well, it depends which MCU Spider Man.

Super powered Kilmonger with the Vibranium suit should best Spider Man, from Civil War and Homecoming, pretty easily, the skill disparity is far too great.

However, Spider Man in Endgame is more experienced and a better and tougher fighter. If he fights intelligently, I think he can beat Kilmonger, because the suit relies on impacts, but how does it fare against more passive attacks ?

Spidey doesn't need to hammer away at it, instead he could use his webs to temporarily immobilize Kilmonger and drop him off a cliff or into a big hole. If Spidey had home court advantage ( say the fight occurs in downtown Manhattan). Also Spidey is probably much stronger than Kilmonger, if he grabs ahold of him and squeezes he could probably make Kilmonger pass out.

All in all, I would call this fight even odds either way.


After Far From Home, with the fully developed Peter tingle, I give this to Spider Man ( at least 6/10)- to be able to avoid Kilmonger's attacks and use his strength, webbing, mobility and super senses advantages to overcome Kilmonger.

 

[Luigi]

Killmonger

Peter wouldn't be able to accomplish anything by keeping his distance and would have to get close and personal eventually. And that's where the skill difference comes into play.

 

[metaphysician]

Spider-man vs Killmonger:

Killmonger should take it, especially if we go with the Spidey suit from this picture ( ie, not the ever ambiguous Iron Spider armor ). Killmonger is in the same physical weight class as Peter, is much more skilled, and his own suit provides both protection and claws. There just isn't much Peter can do to turn this tide, since he can't stay at range indefinitely, isn't going to do much damage even while he is at range, and ultimately doesn't want to be in close, because Killmonger will hurt him much more than the reverse. Yes, webbing, but with Killmonger having both strength and claws, webbing won't do more than temporarily impede him, and I'm fairly certain Peter will run out of webbing before Killmonger will run out of "cut and break his way free of webbing".

The vibranium body suits are just a *really* tough nut to crack. They kind of bump whoever wears them up one "weight class", with an equivalent opponent needing at *least* a weapon capable of punching them to be competitive.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

If Markus & McFeely write the fight, then I can see Spider-Man tricking Killmonger or taking advantage of a time of him dropping his guard to knock him cold with a few punches.

If team of six writers for Homecoming wrote the fight then Killmonger would win without much effort or needing to drop a building on him.

Since Markus & McFeely introduced the kid to the cinematic world I'll give their version the edge and choose SPIDER-MAN as the victor in this match-up.

 

[Batmannerism]

Spider-man vs Killmonger:

Killmonger should take it, especially if we go with the Spidey suit from this picture ( ie, not the ever ambiguous Iron Spider armor ). Killmonger is in the same physical weight class as Peter, is much more skilled, and his own suit provides both protection and claws. There just isn't much Peter can do to turn this tide, since he can't stay at range indefinitely, isn't going to do much damage even while he is at range, and ultimately doesn't want to be in close, because Killmonger will hurt him much more than the reverse. Yes, webbing, but with Killmonger having both strength and claws, webbing won't do more than temporarily impede him, and I'm fairly certain Peter will run out of webbing before Killmonger will run out of "cut and break his way free of webbing".

The vibranium body suits are just a *really* tough nut to crack. They kind of bump whoever wears them up one "weight class", with an equivalent opponent needing at *least* a weapon capable of punching them to be competitive.

I disagree with you there on some of the finer points.


I think of the Vibranium suits as similar to the way Sebastian Shaw's power functioned in the comics. Hit him, and he'd beat you to death, but passive attacks like gas, or a constricting or choking attack could take him out - if Spider Man fights smart he's got the ability to win this - if it was comics Spidey he'd have the brains to take it out.

Kilmonger's finger tip claws have limits - sure they can shred Spider man's webbing. But if Spidey can web his arms so he can't use them, then they're not that useful. Does Kilmonger have the strength to simply rip, webbing apart without the claws ? Cap didn't, or at least doesn't demonstrate it, so I assume Kmonger cant either.

Spidey has a strength advantage - probably a significant one - Kilmonger is roughly as strong as Cap - when Cap drops the skybridge on him he's supporting enormous weight( and is able to get out from underneath it), while Cap negates any advantage in hand to hand, by using skill and leverage, it seems like a more experienced Spider Man would probably fare better against him.

All in all, I think Spidey has a more than even chance here - provided this is Spider Man post Infinity War at least.

As a caveat though, in a straight up toe to toe hand to hand fight Spidey loses- the thing is that Spidey doesnt often do that ( well, not if he's being smart anyway).

Cheers.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm voting Spiderman so that leaves us with a 3-3 tie.

Next up:
Thanos with the reality and space stone

vs full knowledge Scarlett Witch

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm voting Spiderman so that leaves us with a 3-3 tie.

Next up:
Thanos with the reality and space stone

vs full knowledge Scarlett Witch

Who you got peeps?

Thanos. The Reality stone should be able to counteract Wanda's power - which immense, but possibly not at the level of the reality stone which could have extinguished all of the suns in the universe.

Also, once each side attacks Wanda is still a frail human whereas Thanos was able to recover from pretty much everything that hit him, including Worthy Cap, Nanotech Tony and Wanda's own best efforts in Endgame. If he lands one solid blow she's in pieces.

 

[metaphysician]

If Markus & McFeely write the fight, then I can see Spider-Man tricking Killmonger or taking advantage of a time of him dropping his guard to knock him cold with a few punches.

If team of six writers for Homecoming wrote the fight then Killmonger would win without much effort or needing to drop a building on him.

Since Markus & McFeely introduced the kid to the cinematic world I'll give their version the edge and choose SPIDER-MAN as the victor in this match-up.

Thankfully, nobody is asking about whether a writer could badly write one or both of the characters, but what the characters as they actually exist in their stories are capable of doing.

More specifically. . . why would it even matter if Peter got a few punches? They wouldn't do much of anything against the vibranium armor.

 

[metaphysician]

Thanos vs Scarlet Witch:

Yeah, I put my vote on Thanos. Like, if this were Thanos without any Infinity Stones, sure, Wanda would win. . . just like she'd probably have won even before the events of WandaVision. The Stones change the dynamic, especially the Reality Stone which should serve as pretty much the absolute best possible counter for all of Wanda's powers, straightforward or esoteric.

It would pretty much end up looking a lot like the Thanos vs Dr Strange fight from Infinity War: an interesting and reasonably lengthy fight that Thanos will win every time.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

SCARLET WITCH

Thankfully, nobody is asking about whether a writer could badly write one or both of the characters, but what the characters as they actually exist in their stories are capable of doing.

More specifically. . . why would it even matter if Peter got a few punches? They wouldn't do much of anything against the vibranium armor.

By dropping his guard I was thinking of exposed face.

 

[Luigi]

Thanos

Despite her immense power upgrade, Wanda is still a glass cannon. She's still no match for Thanos with the reality stone. However, she should be able surpass to Thanos once Multiverse of Madness comes around.

 

[metaphysician]

SCARLET WITCH

By dropping his guard I was thinking of exposed face.

. . . what exposed face? The suit covers his face.

 

[Docker2.0]

Thanos wins. Next up:

Cull Obsidian

vs Captain America

Who you got peeps?

 

[Fosterson]

Thanos wins. Next up:

Cull Obsidian

vs Captain America

Who you got peeps?

Cull stomps and anyone who says otherwise is just a deluded Cap fanboy.

Cull dominated Bleeding Edge Iron Man twice and was beating the Hulk-Buster armour. How exactly is Cap supposed to beat him? His best chance is to run away and hope Thor arrives to win the fight for him. But knowing Steve, he'll happily run to his death while saying "I can do this all day!".