MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Luigi]

Francis

Matt is as tenacious as they come but he doesn't the necessary power to put down Francis.

 

[Docker2.0]

I've been watching Smallville and Lucifer. What I'm surprised about is how time has passed with the show. There has been some powerful moments on the show. Tom Welling did such an incredible job on both of those shows that I wonder, why hasn't Marvel approached him? The one character that comes to mind that he could play is Spider-Man's arch nemesis Norman Osborn. #TomWelling4NormanOsborn
#Marveljustthingaboutit

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[metaphysician]

Daredevil vs Ajax:

Yeah, I lean to Ajax taking this one. His powers don't really make sense with how they are described especially, but in practice he seemed to have a physical advantage over Deadpool, that Deadpool overcame with greater skill and superior ability to take injuries. And while Matt is certainly highly skilled, and can take injuries, he's not a regenerating mass of immortal cancer cells like Deadpool. He also doesn't come with as potent of weapons for the fight.

The only way Matt could win is if the fight opened with an opportunity for ninja stealth and a complete surprise backstabbing. . . and while I could totally buy Ajax falling for such, it seems *really* unlikely that Matt would deal enough damage with that initial backstab to keep Ajax from getting back up and turning the fight around anyway.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Ajax doesn't feel pain, but he's still susceptible to being weakened by getting Damaged.

DAREDEVIL will be challenged, but win eventually.

 

[Docker2.0]

Ajax doesn't feel pain, but he's still susceptible to being weakened by getting Damaged.

DAREDEVIL will be challenged, but win eventually.

I vote Daredevil as well. Man is he not getting in love in this fight!

 

[Docker2.0]

We end with a 2-2 tie. Next up:

The Black Order(minus Thanos)

Vs Thor and Loki

Who you got peeps?

 

[metaphysician]

Black Order vs Thor & Loki:

So, taking the chosen picture at face value, and that this is post-IW Thor, with both godpowers and Stormbreaker? Team Asgard takes it. Thor, at this point, is in a place where he is almost as powerful as Thanos, and could outright kill him with one clean shot. The Black Order. . . are not that. If all of them quadruple teamed Thor, they *might* stand a chance. . . but Thor isn't alone, he has Loki to help. Who would absolutely wreck havok amongst the Black Order if they tried to all focus on Thor. There just isn't any plausible turn of events where the Black Order wins, assuming Thor and Loki fight with even minimal intelligence. Even if all Loki does is cover Thor against Corvus Glaive backstabbery, that still probably does the trick.

 

[InCali]

I've been watching Smallville and Lucifer. What I'm surprised about is how time has passed with the show. There has been some powerful moments on the show. Tom Welling did such an incredible job on both of those shows that I wonder, why hasn't Marvel approached him? The one character that comes to mind that he could play is Spider-Man's arch nemesis Norman Osborn. #TomWelling4NormanOsborn
#Marveljustthingaboutit

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Who does Tom win against?

 

[InCali]

We end with a 2-2 tie. Next up:

The Black Order(minus Thanos)

Vs Thor and Loki

Who you got peeps?

The Mighty Sore and Lucky.

 

[Luigi]

The Odinsons

Peak Thor with Loki's bag of tricks would wreck the Black Order.

 

[ernesth100]

As long as they take out Cull and Ebony first the other two fall easily with one shot from either Thor or Loki. Loki is implied to be still much stronger than the average human and regularly grapples with Thor.

 

[Fosterson]

As long as they take out Cull and Ebony first the other two fall easily with one shot from either Thor or Loki. Loki is implied to be still much stronger than the average human and regularly grapples with Thor.

Tbf, Thor basically confirmed in TDW that he was holding back massively against Loki in their previous fights.

And we've seen since how quickly a no-nonsense Thor can make Loki beg for mercy:

 

[Fosterson]

OT: Thor solos. Proxima and Corvus are non-factors here. Maw has no counter to lightning and Cull gets chopped up by Stormbreaker.

Loki sits back and enjoys the show.

 

[metaphysician]

*cough* Corvus is absolutely not a non-factor here. Yes, he is relatively squishy, but he has the pointy spear of doom. If it can one shot stab Vision, it can probably do a decent chunk of damage even to Thor. If anything, taking him out ( and/or putting his spear out of commission ) is the top priority.

 

[ernesth100]

*cough* Corvus is absolutely not a non-factor here. Yes, he is relatively squishy, but he has the pointy spear of doom. If it can one shot stab Vision, it can probably do a decent chunk of damage even to Thor. If anything, taking him out ( and/or putting his spear out of commission ) is the top priority.

Doesn't that spear attack and make you heavier once stabbed? At least in the comics I think.

Ebony has Telekenisis though if he can't beat Thor he can most certainly hold him off. Plus, Stormbreaker has no enchantment so anyone can lift it. Ebony needs to go first. Then Corvus.

It's implied Cull is weaker than Hulk even though the two never fought. So I'm assuming one good hit and he's down by Thor.

 

[Fosterson]

*cough* Corvus is absolutely not a non-factor here. Yes, he is relatively squishy, but he has the pointy spear of doom. If it can one shot stab Vision, it can probably do a decent chunk of damage even to Thor. If anything, taking him out ( and/or putting his spear out of commission ) is the top priority.

I'm sorry but Black Widow stomped Corvus in 1v1. He's fodder to Thor.

Could Black Widow defeat Thor?

A single bolt of lightning will incinerate him and God help him if he tries to block Stormbreaker in CQC.

 

[Fosterson]

Ebony has Telekenisis though if he can't beat Thor he can most certainly hold him off.

Maw was only able to restrain Thor while he was in a highly weakened state after he had been beaten to a bloody pulp by Thanos. There's no reason to think he can "hold off" a healthy, lightning-on and Stormbreaker-wielding Thor. How is Maw supposed to block Thor's lightning, exactly?

Unfortunately Maw's daddy won't be there to help him this time. His best feat is restraining Strange, who is a normal human physically.

Plus, Stormbreaker has no enchantment so anyone can lift it.

Anyone can most certainly not lift it. Thor explicitly told the Guardians that their bodies would crumble into dust if they tried to wield SB.

The Black Order are all fodder to Thor. Corvus and Proxima are street level, Maw is an extremely weak (and overrated) telekinetic, and Cull is a poor man's Hulk.

 

[Docker2.0]

Maw was only able to restrain Thor while he was in a highly weakened state after he had been beaten to a bloody pulp by Thanos. There's no reason to think he can "hold off" a healthy, lightning-on and Stormbreaker-wielding Thor. How is Maw supposed to block Thor's lightning, exactly?

Unfortunately Maw's daddy won't be there to help him this time. His best feat is restraining Strange, who is a normal human physically.



Anyone can most certainly not lift it. Thor explicitly told the Guardians that their bodies would crumble into dust if they tried to wield SB.

The Black Order are all fodder to Thor. Corvus and Proxima are street level, Maw is an extremely weak (and overrated) telekinetic, and Cull is a poor man's Hulk.

 

[InCali]

Maw was only able to restrain Thor while he was in a highly weakened state after he had been beaten to a bloody pulp by Thanos. There's no reason to think he can "hold off" a healthy, lightning-on and Stormbreaker-wielding Thor. How is Maw supposed to block Thor's lightning, exactly?

Unfortunately Maw's daddy won't be there to help him this time. His best feat is restraining Strange, who is a normal human physically.



Anyone can most certainly not lift it. Thor explicitly told the Guardians that their bodies would crumble into dust if they tried to wield SB.

The Black Order are all fodder to Thor. Corvus and Proxima are street level, Maw is an extremely weak (and overrated) telekinetic, and Cull is a poor man's Hulk.

Oh, he IS his daddy....

 

[Batmannerism]

Thor and Loki should win about 7/10 times based on what we saw in the films viz. The Black Order's teamwork or lack thereof.


However, if the Order used teamwork they could win this at least 5/10 - with at least 2 casualties.

- Ebony Maw uses Tk to distract Thor, while Cull attacks close quarters, allowing Corvus to stab Thor in the back. His blade tore through Vision and killed Heimdal, so it's going to wound Thor.

That leaves Proxima to engage with Loki. In all honesty she'll probably get killed, but if she can prevent him from helping Thor long enough for the others to set up Corvus to mortally wound Thor, then she's served her purpose.

Thor would certainly kill Cull - although as powerful as Stormbreaker is, Thor needs to land a hit with it. Endgame Thanos managed to block or evade Stormbreaker successfully and nearly kill Thor with its edge. Cull might resist being hit by a few swipes, before being killed.

Once Thor is incapacitated, then its up to Corvus and Maw to finish off Loki.

 

[Fosterson]

Oh, he IS his daddy....

Yes. Maw was by far the most fanatical of the Black Order in his worship of Thanos. He was even trying to kneel before him when he got dusted in EG.

Maw was actually a great character (more interesting than a lot of main antagonists in the MCU), so I am a little sad we'll never see Squidward again. I loved the idea that he's this fanatical religious preacher of Thanos' warped ideology.

 

[metaphysician]

Doesn't that spear attack and make you heavier once stabbed? At least in the comics I think.

Ebony has Telekenisis though if he can't beat Thor he can most certainly hold him off. Plus, Stormbreaker has no enchantment so anyone can lift it. Ebony needs to go first. Then Corvus.

It's implied Cull is weaker than Hulk even though the two never fought. So I'm assuming one good hit and he's down by Thor.

1. In the MCU, none of that was ever hinted, and the most important property of Corvus' spear is "goes right through a body made of vibranium alloy"

2. Ebony Maw has TK, doesn't mean he has infinite TK. Thor is strong enough to move a small orbital megastructure, Maw has no feats to indicate that he could contest this strength especially well.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm sorry but Black Widow stomped Corvus in 1v1. He's fodder to Thor.

Could Black Widow defeat Thor?

A single bolt of lightning will incinerate him and God help him if he tries to block Stormbreaker in CQC.

Absolutely none of which is relevant to the question "Can Corvus' spear hurt Thor". That Thor can vaporize Corvus with a lightning bolt doesn't change that he actually does *have to do so*. . . because ignoring Corvus means eating a backshot from a weapon that can hurt him.

Don't make the mistake of treating a fight as "a set of individual one on one matchups, and if you win every matchup you win the fight".

 

[ernesth100]

Absolutely none of which is relevant to the question "Can Corvus' spear hurt Thor". That Thor can vaporize Corvus with a lightning bolt doesn't change that he actually does *have to do so*. . . because ignoring Corvus means eating a backshot from a weapon that can hurt him.

Don't make the mistake of treating a fight as "a set of individual one on one matchups, and if you win every matchup you win the fight".

If they gang up on Thor though. He still has Loki, who was easily able to withstand a few slams from the Hulk, a repulsor blast from Iron Man and toss around Cap like nothing.

I'd argue durability equates at least somewhat to strength in Asgardian terms. So there's a high chance Loki could handle Corvus and Proxima while Thor takes out Ebony and Cull the only real possible threats.

 

[Fosterson]

Absolutely none of which is relevant to the question "Can Corvus' spear hurt Thor". That Thor can vaporize Corvus with a lightning bolt doesn't change that he actually does *have to do so*. . .

It's perfectly in-character for Thor to use a big AOE attack when outnumbered:

Any one of those attacks would atomize every member of the BO not named Cull.

because ignoring Corvus means eating a backshot from a weapon that can hurt him.

How is Corvus even going to get close to Thor when he has a lightning aura protecting him?

You can actually see there that two of Hela's soldiers who were behind Thor and trying to sneak up on him got blasted by the passive lightning emanating from Thor's body.

This is exactly what's gonna happen to Corvus if he tries this.

None of which changes that yes, I'm sure Corvus' spear can pierce Thor although I doubt it'd kill him in one shot given that Thor was stabbed multiple times by Hela and managed to fight on.

Problem is that for the reasons above, Glaive's never gonna get the chance.