MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[InCali]

SM.....but he wouldn't beat BW.

 

[Luigi]

Unless Shang Chi somehow gets leaked today, it's hard to judge his skills based on that sole trailer.

 

[Docker2.0]

Unless Shang Chi somehow gets leaked today, it's hard to judge his skills based on that sole trailer.

 

[metaphysician]

Yeah, there is absolutely no reasonable way to judge this contest based on one trailer. We simply don't know enough about Shang-Chi's actual power level. "Postulates based on his status in the comics" aren't good enough, not with this little evidence.

 

[InCali]

Unless Shang Chi somehow gets leaked today, it's hard to judge his skills based on that sole trailer.

I have a real problem with you bringing logic to this thread.

 

[Docker2.0]

I have a real problem with you bringing logic to this thread.

 

[Docker2.0]

But fine! Point taken!! Next up:

Kaecilius

vs White Vision

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

But fine! Point taken!! Next up:

Kaecilius

vs White Vision

Who you got peeps?

Hmm...good question. If it comes to hand to hand then Vision is probably going to take this easily just on a big physical strength advantage and flying. But if Kaecillius bends space and matter, can disorient Vision and then blast him with a magic bomb, which was powerful enough to destroy a building, then he'll win.

Does phasing work against magic attacks ?

I'll say Vision 6/10.

 

[Fosterson]

Vision is far too powerful for Kaecilius. There's no reason he can't just end this fight instantly with a blast from the stone on his forehead and he's far too durable to be harmed by any of the wizard's attacks.

 

[Fosterson]

Hmm...good question. If it comes to hand to hand then Vision is probably going to take this easily just on a big physical strength advantage and flying. But if Kaecillius bends space and matter, can disorient Vision and then blast him with a magic bomb, which was powerful enough to destroy a building, then he'll win.

When did Kaecilius destroy a building? I can't remember that.

And besides, I think you're selling White Vision's durability a little short here. After all, he's still made from the same Vibranium as the original Vision and he tanked some big hits in his fight with Wanda's Vision:

 

[metaphysician]

Kaecilius vs White Vision:

Huh. On one hand, the Vision is a fast flying brick with ranged attacks who would be very suited for closing and overwhelming a mostly-ranged foe. OTOH, Kaecilius should have access to a lot of exotic attack methods which Vision doesn't really have a counter for, and I'd be very dubious of relying on the ability to phase as a defense against magic attacks.

I'd call it 6/10 for White Vision on sheer initial aggression, but I tend to think any fight that *doesn't* end in seconds is probably going to go bad for Vision.

 

[Luigi]

White Vision

However, if this fight were to take place in the mirror dimension, it'd be an easy victory for Kaecilius.

 

[ernesth100]

After the recent episode

John Walker(With vibranium shield)

Vs

Winter Soldier Bucky(with weapons)

 

[Docker2.0]

After the recent episode

John Walker(With vibranium shield)

Vs

Winter Soldier Bucky(with weapons)

 

[Batmannerism]

Okay. Based on their fight John knocked Bucky around a lot BUT that was a nerfed Bucky who wasn't seriously trying to kill him, just to knock him out.

Put Bucky in Winter Soldier kill mode, give him some guns and a knife, and he's going to kill Walker. The moment Walker throws the shield and Bucky catches it, this fight is nearly over.

Bucky 9/10.

 

[Docker2.0]

Okay. Based on their fight John knocked Bucky around a lot BUT that was a nerfed Bucky who wasn't seriously trying to kill him, just to knock him out.

Put Bucky in Winter Soldier kill mode, give him some guns and a knife, and he's going to kill Walker. The moment Walker throws the shield and Bucky catches it, this fight is nearly over.

Bucky 9/10.

Wow.............we didn't even get the results from the previous round but whatever. Just take over the thread.

Anyway, I'm going for John Walker. Man has he really grew on me and is US Agent from the comics............like 110% accurate!!! I want him to have his own Disney Plus show now.

 

[ernesth100]

White Vision was dominating the votes for the most part. I'd honestly give it to him on the count of sheer ruthlessness. I doubt Kalicues has anything that could legit damage his armor and if he does the phasing fixes that. Meanwhile a good punch, phased hand through the heart or laser to the face does Kalicues in. Giving it to White Vis 8/10. Kalicues could send him to the mirror dimension though. But that's about it.



As for Bucky vs John. I'm def giving it to Bucky. Just tired of people saying he was nerfed. It's very clear his arc comes full circle by him holding back. And they have multiple moments where he goes all out in the show still. Giving it to Bucky 7/10, the only things John has in his favor is superior strength an equal willingness to kill.

John is still a great Fighter and highly decorated soldier. I think that aspect is downplayed until the Sam and Buck v Walker fight. So it's def not an EASY win for Bucky. But way easier than killing Steve.

 

[Fosterson]

In Terminator mode, I think Bucky takes this. He stalemated Steve in their first fight in TWS, and that's enough to make me believe he can beat Walker. Walker definitely won't be a push-over, but he's less skilled than Steve and nowhere near as experienced at using the shield

 

[InCali]

F**cky Wucky..... Bucky.

 

[Luigi]

Bucky

He was clearly taking it easy on John.

 

[metaphysician]

John Walker vs Bucky:

Bucky. Look, Walker isn't terrible, but ultimately he got a *lot* of leeway against opponents who didn't want to really hurt him. If Bucky does want to hurt him, he's going away in a full body cast.

 

[Luigi]

Bucky takes an easy win. Next up:

Mysterio

vs.

Spider-Man (Garfield)

Who wins?

 

[The Caped Knight]

The Master of illusion: Mysterio

 

[Docker2.0]

I think this Spiderman beats him easier than Holland's.

 

[Batmannerism]

Bucky takes an easy win. Next up:

Mysterio

vs.

Spider-Man (Garfield)

Who wins?

Eek. Garfield Spider Man didn't have the self doubts that Holland Spider Man did.

Also he's much quicker and actually acts like a genius.


However, a lot depends on if it's Mysterio and his back up band of science miscreants or Mysterio plus Edith.

In FFH during the final battle Mysterio is doing several things at once, trying to kill Spidey, trying to kill Spidey's friends and maintaining the illusion.

If he had Edith's resources and drone armada and only one target that might be too much even for Spidey - although Mysterio is still a glass cannon.

I'll say Garfield takes this at least 8/10 times though.