MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

How powerful do you guys think Homelander is relative to powerful Marvel/DC heroes?

Honestly, based on his feats I'd say he'd be about the same as Ikaris. Not as fast or skilful at flying, but probably comparable in strength or toughness.

Ikaris v Homelander would be a very close match up, neither of them would hesitate to kill the other.

I probably give a slight edge to Ikaris. For comparison 's sake I think Thor, Captain Marvel or Hulk could beat Homelander in a straight up fight.

Homelander seems far below DCEU Superman, in terms of strength, speed and durabilty. I think Cavill would pound him into the ground, as would Wonder Woman.

 

[Iceman]

Honestly, based on his feats I'd say he'd be about the same as Ikaris. Not as fast or skilful at flying, but probably comparable in strength or toughness.

Ikaris v Homelander would be a very close match up, neither of them would hesitate to kill the other.

I probably give a slight edge to Ikaris. For comparison 's sake I think Thor, Captain Marvel or Hulk could beat Homelander in a straight up fight.

Homelander seems far below DCEU Superman, in terms of strength, speed and durabilty. I think Cavill would pound him into the ground, as would Wonder Woman.

Thanks for that - yeah I would agree with it all. The world of the Boys doesn’t have as many uber-powerful heroes to compete with the comics powerhouses but yeah, still a lot stronger than the Guardians. It’s quite fun bringing the Seven into fights against Marvel and DC characters.

 

[metaphysician]

So you think the Seven is an actual threat to Avengers with Thor and Hulk? Be honest.

Oh, not in the slightest, pretty much any team with Thor would kick their ass. A-Train is only really a gamebreaker against *this* particular roster, which is lacking in brickiness relatively.

 

[metaphysician]

How powerful do you guys think Homelander is relative to powerful Marvel/DC heroes?

Honestly? Not very. I mean, he's not terrible, nothing like your typical "TV superheroes" of earlier generations ( think "Heroes" ), but even if you pass over the issue of "required secondary powers"? He strikes me as only just about powerful enough to be an OCP in a realistic world, and no more. Looking at the MCU. . . I don't know, probably somewhere in the ballpark of one of the top tier Iron Man armors, or maybe the Vision? In terms of flying brick with blasting obviously, not other powers.

Its what made the "Homelander vs Omni-Man" Death Battle really really silly.

 

[Iceman]

Honestly? Not very. I mean, he's not terrible, nothing like your typical "TV superheroes" of earlier generations ( think "Heroes" ), but even if you pass over the issue of "required secondary powers"? He strikes me as only just about powerful enough to be an OCP in a realistic world, and no more. Looking at the MCU. . . I don't know, probably somewhere in the ballpark of one of the top tier Iron Man armors, or maybe the Vision? In terms of flying brick with blasting obviously, not other powers.

Its what made the "Homelander vs Omni-Man" Death Battle really really silly.

Thanks for that. Would be quite fun seeing him having to keep his ego in check in the Marvel or DC universe.

 

[Docker2.0]

The Seven win. Next up:

The Seven

Vs the Black Order(no Thanos)

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Batmannerism]

The Seven win. Next up:

The Seven

Vs the Black Order(no Thanos)

Who you got peeps?!

Well the Black Order have some melee weapons that would probably hurt Homelander and Maeve, plus Maw's telekinesis to immobilise some of them and Cull's brute strength could probably kill Deep, A Train and Starlight.

However, the Black Order have so-so teamwork skills. Maw is a glass cannon who could be killed by Homelander, Maeve, A Train or Noir (maybe even Starlight) with a single strike. DEEP is just a distraction.

Assuming Noir can out ninja Corvus, and A Train can kill Maw, that leaves Homelander and Maeve to kill Cull and Starlight to at least keep Proxima busy until Cull is dead and then the curb stomping starts.

However, that relies on the 7 working effectively as a team.

As such I give the 7 a slight edge : so they'd win 6/10 fights.

 

[Iceman]

The Seven win. Next up:

The Seven

Vs the Black Order(no Thanos)

Who you got peeps?!

Will comment later but I’m loving these Seven vs Marvel & DC lineups. Feels new in the Vs arena given The Boys have only come on the radar recently.

 

[Luigi]

The Seven

A Train could eliminate Maw, Corvus and Proxima by himself and leave the rest of the gang to deal with Cull.

 

[metaphysician]

Seven vs Black Order:

Hmm. I'm iffy on whether Black Noir could out-ninja Corvus Glaive, and not sure you can really talk about the Black Order having bad teamwork here relative to their opponents, but the "A-Train takes a bunch of people out" argument is pretty convincing. I can see it going either way, but the Seven probably take the majority, especially with their numerical advantage and relative resilience ( all the ones that matter have at least some degree of superhuman durability, and none are really reliant on equipment that Maw could destroy/turn against them ). I might change my mind if this were the Black Order plus Gamorra and Nebula, perhaps.

 

[Bayne]

I find this one harder to visualize for some reason but I think I will also go with the 7 based on the previous arguments.

 

[Docker2.0]

The Seven win. Next up:

The Seven

vs the original Avengers

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Luigi]

The OGs win

Nobody on the Seven, not even Homelander, comes close to the combined might of Thor and Hulk.

 

[VictusMortuus]

Yeah Thor and Hulk win this every time.

 

[Bayne]

Thor blasts A-train with lightning and one-shots the Deep, Hulk takes on Maeve and Homelander simultaneously, Iron Man easily outclasses Starlight and Widow, Hawkeye and Cap outnumber Noir 3-1. The Seven are completely routed.

 

[metaphysician]

Avengers vs Seven:

Avengers, easily. The A-Train speedblitz is useless against half the Avengers, and both Hulk and especially Thor exist in a place beyond the Seven. *Maybe* the Seven could beat just Thor or just Hulk alone, by dogpiling him. Maybe. But honestly, I kind of doubt even that. They definitely aren't winning against both.

 

[Iceman]

The full Avengers team is a step too far for The Seven. They’re not used to dealing with Thor/Hulk types and Iron Man would also put up a good fight against most of them. With Cap’s superior leadership (compared to Homelander lol) and strategy it should be a one way affair. As soon as Thor takes out Homelander it’s over.

 

[Iceman]

Thor blasts A-train with lightning and one-shots the Deep, Hulk takes on Maeve and Homelander simultaneously, Iron Man easily outclasses Starlight and Widow, Hawkeye and Cap outnumber Noir 3-1. The Seven are completely routed.

I would love to see it play out exactly like this.

 

[Batmannerism]

Avengers 10/10 but with a bunch of casualties.

Ultimately Thor and Hulk are too powerful for Homelander and Maeve to take one on one, probably even 2 on one. But along the way one of them might take out Iron Man.

A Train is probably going to kill Widow and Hawkeye very quickly, and in combination with Starlight, and Noir might be able to overpower Cap.

At the end of the fight only Hulk and Thor are left standing - in the best scenario for the Seven, they all go down with only Thor surviving for the Avengers.

But Ultimately the Avengers' powerhouse members are just too powerful for any of the Seven to handle. Maybe all of them could eventually overwhelm the Hulk - with only Homelander surviving. But I'm struggling to see how even all working together they could beat Thor, because of his combination of mobility, durability, ranged and melee attacks.

 

[metaphysician]

The funny thing is, I can envision scenarios where the Seven do much worse than average, and it mostly revolves around "A-Train makes a terrible mistake on who to attack first". Choose someone too bricky, and he stands a good chance of breaking his own arms. Its pretty much the only way I see them losing to the Guardians, for example.

 

[Iceman]

Just reading some of the earlier posts, how good of a team would the Seven generally be? Starlight and Maeve would have each other’s backs but they pretty much despise everyone else, while most of the others are ****-scared of Homelander but would probably just as much let him die and lose the fight if he was in genuine trouble lol (same goes for Homelander letting anyone else die). There isn’t much loyalty between The Deep, A-Train and Noir either.

The Avengers, F4 and X-Men are more like family or at least friends and would put their necks on the line for each other. The X-Men extensively train together. And then you have true respected leaders who can strategise well like Cap, Cyclops, Storm and Reed.

 

[metaphysician]

Just reading some of the earlier posts, how good of a team would the Seven generally be? Starlight and Maeve would have each other’s backs but they pretty much despise everyone else, while most of the others are ****-scared of Homelander but would probably just as much let him die and lose the fight if he was in genuine trouble lol (same goes for Homelander letting anyone else die). There isn’t much loyalty between The Deep, A-Train and Noir either.

The Avengers, F4 and X-Men are more like family or at least friends and would put their necks on the line for each other. The X-Men extensively train together. And then you have true respected leaders who can strategise well like Cap, Cyclops, Storm and Reed.

Oh, the Seven would be a *terrible* team. My responses so far have been based on the assumption of a sort of "Arena Mandate", where everyone is required to grudgingly cooperate for the purposes of victory. Even with that, their teamwork would be terrible. Nobody would competently or enthusiastically support anyone else, nobody would take risks for anyone else, tactics would be iffy because no one would trust anyone else's judgement. . . Basically, the *only* reason I've been giving them some of the wins they get, is because of superspeed or raw power trumping other concerns. Its also why I've only really been imagining them getting 6/10 level of wins, because I can easily imagine bad teamwork ruining their advantages.

And that's *with* the 'Arena Mandate'. Without such a compelling factor, in an actual serious fight they'd be as likely to kill each other as the other team. I mean, assuming they actually knew and believed the details about the other team, could you imagine Maeve or Starlight facing a team of actual heroes led by someone like Cap or Superman, and *not* immediately switching sides?

 

[Docker2.0]

Avengers win. Next up:

Team Asgard:

vs

Team IronMan

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Bayne]

This is basically the same as the Seven versus the New Avengers. There's just too much power on team Asgard and too little power or potential to circumvent that power on team Iron Man.

Vision could maybe make a fight of it against Loki. Maybe Black Panther and Spider-man together could take out Valkyrie. I'm not 100% convinced, but maybe. War Machine and Iron Man together could possibly keep Thor busy for a minute or two, but have no chance of actually beating him.

Widow doesn't have the powers or the weapons to hurt anyone on team Asgard nor the durability to stand up to a single hit from any of them. And no one on team Iron Man has any hope of taking out the Hulk in a fight. The only hope TIM has is if Widow is capable of neutralizing Hulk with the whole 'Sun's getting real low' thing, but that only works when Hulk allows it to work. And even if it did work and Vision did take out Loki and Panther and SM did take down Val, they would all be so worse for the wear that the whole team together still couldn't take down Thor.

 

[Batmannerism]

Avengers win. Next up:

Team Asgard:

vs

Team IronMan

Who you got peeps?!

Team Asgard in a curb stomp ,9/10.

No one on team Tony has the raw power to subdue Hulk or Thor - except maybe Vision, and he's vulnerable to electrical attacks: if Hawkeye's puny taser arrow stopped him momentarily, the God of Thunder is going to fry him completely.

Valkyrie and Loki are tough enough to withstand at least one attack from anyone and have weapons capable of killing anyone except Vision and maybe Panther- not sure how the Black panther suit would stand up to Asgardian weapons.

Cap's shield stopped Mjolnir, but its solid vibranium whereas the suit is a mesh. You would think the blunt force trauma from a blow from Hulk or Thor might be enough to flatten BP.

The one big advantage Team Tony has is mobility- three of its members can fly - Thor and Hulk can
jump, but only Thor has a ranged attack - which Tony's suit can absorb. Their only chance is to keep their distance and blast away....although I dont think anyone except Vision could harm the Hulk and Thor could take him out very easily.

If Loki runs interference with Illusions, then it's a complete rout - maybe Peter can use his spidey sense to avoid them....but this is a very inexperienced version of Spider-Man.

Widow is utterly useless here.