MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[metaphysician]

Captain Marvel vs Gorr:

I give this one to Gorr. He has physicality sufficient to fight post-IW Thor on even terms, a weapon that can kill pretty much anything, teleportation, and unlimited flexible shadow mooks. That's a bad combo, one very likely to end in Carol getting shanked. Or, to put it another way, Gorr took on Thor, *and* Jane-Thor, *and* Valkyrie at the same time; he almost can't help but do better when only fighting a single foe.

I suppose in theory Carol could use flight to standoff and just shoot energy blasts from a distance, but at best this would result in a stalemate as Gorr just refuses to stand still and be shot at. I'm also iffy of how well this could even work, since all Carol's biggest demonstrated attacks were melee.

 

[Docker2.0]

Gorr wins. Next up:

Shang Chi with the ten rings

vs Ikaris

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Bayne]

Ikaris.

Ten Rings are awesome and all but Shang Chi is still a breakable human and Ikaris is semi-evil Superman.

 

[metaphysician]

Ikaris vs Shang-Chi:

Yeah, this goes to Ikaris every time. Ikaris may be sort of the Diet Coke of the top tier superset, and Shang-Chi with the Rings is an impressive upcoming mid-tier, but nope. Not gonna happen. Shang-Chi biggest windup attacks might actually be able to hurt Ikaris, but he's never going to land them, not with Ikaris being a human-sized fast flier with ranged attacks. And anything much smaller than the Orbiting Rings Limit Break Super Attack that he used to finish off the Nameless One? Is just going to bounce off Ikaris.

The absolute best Shang could do is prolong the fight for a surprisingly decent length of time, by doing full defense and using the Rings to blow/parry Ikaris' attacks. *That* he could do, especially since Ikaris is kind of crap at fighting skill, but he's eventually going to get worn out and miss a parry, or Ikaris is going to do some kind of large scale area attack that he can't effectively avoid.

 

[Batmannerism]

Apologies for my absence, I have been experiencing technical difficulties.

Ikaris, for the reasons outlined above.

Ikaris.

Ten Rings are awesome and all but Shang Chi is still a breakable human and Ikaris is semi-evil Superman.

Ikaris vs Shang-Chi:

Yeah, this goes to Ikaris every time. Ikaris may be sort of the Diet Coke of the top tier superset, and Shang-Chi with the Rings is an impressive upcoming mid-tier, but nope. Not gonna happen. Shang-Chi biggest windup attacks might actually be able to hurt Ikaris, but he's never going to land them, not with Ikaris being a human-sized fast flier with ranged attacks. And anything much smaller than the Orbiting Rings Limit Break Super Attack that he used to finish off the Nameless One? Is just going to bounce off Ikaris.

The absolute best Shang could do is prolong the fight for a surprisingly decent length of time, by doing full defense and using the Rings to blow/parry Ikaris' attacks. *That* he could do, especially since Ikaris is kind of crap at fighting skill, but he's eventually going to get worn out and miss a parry, or Ikaris is going to do some kind of large scale area attack that he can't effectively avoid.

 

[Luigi]

Ikaris

Ikaris took a whopping from his fellow Eternals like it was nothing, so he'd be easily able to withstand any and all attacks from Shang-Chi.

 

[Docker2.0]

Apologies for my absence, I have been experiencing technical difficulties.

Ikaris, for the reasons outlined above.

Rehab again?

 

[metaphysician]

Ikaris

Ikaris took a whopping from his fellow Eternals like it was nothing, so he'd be easily able to withstand any and all attacks from Shang-Chi.

Eh, I wouldn't quite say "like nothing", he definitely couldn't ignore Thena, Makkari, or Phaestos. It seemed fairly clearly to me that, if Kro hadn't shown up to cause a distraction, the three of them *would* have taken out Ikaris. Hell, Phaestos almost did so anyway, solo.

Of course, this doesn't help Shang-Chi much, because I doubt he'd do that much better against any one of them either. *Maybe* he might stand a chance against Thena, but I suspect that only seems plausible due to limited feats; realistically, what she loses in "invincibly bricky" she probably gains in "I actually know how to fight, and also have my own magic shapeshifting weapons", making it a wash that doesn't improve Shang-Chi's standing. The others would just effortlessly trump his whole powerset with theirs.

 

[Docker2.0]

Ikaris wins. Next up: A crossover event!!

The Seven:

vs the New Avengers

Who you got peeps?!

 

[VictusMortuus]

Homelander would be the only member of the seven who would be problematic for them and would win, but if it’s Wanda in control of her powers than she annihilates Homelander and the seven 10/10 times.

 

[Docker2.0]

What?! No love for Black Noir or A-train?

 

[VictusMortuus]

What?! No love for Black Noir or A-train?

Nope.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ikaris wins. Next up: A crossover event!!

The Seven:

vs the New Avengers

Who you got peeps?!

Despite Wanda's power she doesn't have any plot armour in this form, she's just a glass cannon- and any of the 7 could put her down permanently with a single strike.

Once she's out Homelander and Maeve could tank anything the Avengers could throw at them. Even their weakest member is far beyond most of team Cap. None of team Cap could stand up to Homelander's eye lasers. Meanwhile A Train and Black Noir kill Widow and Hawkeye easily.

The Deep is just window dressing.

The 7 win at least 9/10. Which is odd, because there are only 6 of them.

 

[Luigi]

Ikaris wins. Next up: A crossover event!!

The Seven:

vs the New Avengers

Who you got peeps?!

This reminds me of the "World's Most One-sided Fistfights" skit from Robot Chicken.

The Seven

 

[Bayne]

I've got to say the Seven, just because of the Civil War time period being referenced here.

If this were Endgame/post-Endgame Wanda she might neutralize Homelander, A-Train and Maeve by herself. But not back then. That leaves just Ant-man and a far less experienced Wanda as the only Avengers with any hope of taking out those three, and neither of their chances would be good even in a one on one fight, let alone when they're outnumbered. Once they go down, the other Avengers don't stand a chance.

 

[Docker2.0]

The Seven win. Next up:

The Seven

vs the Guardians of the galaxy

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Luigi]

Same story, different day. The Seven are just way too OP.

 

[Bayne]

Yeah, the Guardians don't even have a Wanda. And I don't see Rocket being able to invent an anti-Homelander/A-Train gun on the fly. The Seven still win.

 

[Batmannerism]

The Seven win. Next up:

The Seven

vs the Guardians of the galaxy

Who you got peeps?!

Even the physically strongest of the GOTG are nowhere near Homelander or Maeve.

Even the most durable of the GOTG probably cant stand up to the Seven's attacks.

Cant see GOTG winning this.

 

[Batgirl0202]

Ya I don't see how GOTG could reasonably beat The Seven...

Would even Drax be able to withstand The Seven's attacks? Not from what we've seen in the films...

I'd say The Seven 9/10

 

[Iceman]

Absolute demolition by The Seven, even if one or two members don’t turn up.

 

[metaphysician]

I actually think you are underrating the durability of some people, especially Drax, but it doesn't really matter. The fundamental issue is that A-Train is a not terrible speedster, and that is basically that.

Granted, it helps that you picked probably the weakest individual Avengers roster possible. *ahem*

 

[Docker2.0]

I actually think you are underrating the durability of some people, especially Drax, but it doesn't really matter. The fundamental issue is that A-Train is a not terrible speedster, and that is basically that.

Granted, it helps that you picked probably the weakest individual Avengers roster possible. *ahem*

So you think the Seven is an actual threat to Avengers with Thor and Hulk? Be honest.

 

[Batmannerism]

So you think the Seven is an actual threat to Avengers with Thor and Hulk? Be honest.

Depends which Avengers team.

I think the 7 could take on the original 6 Avengers, although they'd probably lose in the end.

Black Noir would eliminate Widow and Hawkeye pretty quickly and A Train could probably down Cap or at least keep him busy.

That leaves Hulk, Tony and Thor to face Deep, Starlight, Maeve and Homelander. That's a bit tricky. Obviously the Deep would die pretty quickly but Homelander and Maeve are pretty tough and mobile. Hard to say if Maeve could seriously hurt Thor or Hulk, but I don't think it's likely, although she might be able to severely damage Iron Man. Maybe Starlight could keep Tony busy ?
As for Homelander I can't see him taking on Hulk and Thor together. But maybe he and Maeve could take on Thor and Hulk together.

If Homelander was as powerful as DCEU Superman things would be different but I havent seen any evidence to suggest that he is.

Again its difficult , because there are multiple versions of the Avengers characters out there ( Thor pre/post infinity war, Avengers Hulk, Ragnarok Hulk, Professor Hulk ) but if we assume the characters as they were in the original I still can't see Homelander beating them both by himself and even with Maeve's help it would be a stretch.

I'd say Avengers beat the Seven reasonably 7/10 times. Add Scarlet Witch and Vision and its 10/10.


Apologies if this doesnt make a lot of sense. Got Covid at the moment so brain is not 100%

 

[Iceman]

How powerful do you guys think Homelander is relative to powerful Marvel/DC heroes?