MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

*sigh* I see this won't end well. Vision wins 3-0. Next up:

The Vulture

Vs. Luke Cage

Who you got peeps?

The big question is whether Luke's skin can resist Vulture's wing blades and advanced guns/blasters.

If so, then eventually Luke grabs him and simply tears the wing suit apart. If not, then Vulture kills Luke pretty quickly.

So.....I'll give this to Luke but 6/10 and vulture 4/10. So Luke but only just.

 

[Docker2.0]

I don't know why they wouldn't be able to. They are not made of Vibranium or Adamatium are they? Is Adamatium in the MCU yet?

 

[Bayne]

I don't know why they wouldn't be able to. They are not made of Vibranium or Adamatium are they? Is Adamatium in the MCU yet?

Not yet.

But I believe the Judas bullet was supposed to be made from materials scavenged from the Battle of New York, just like Vulture's tech was, so it is theoretically possible Vulture might be able to hurt Luke.

Having said that, Vulture's weapon tech was energy based, not bullets, and we have absolutely no clue what that might mean for Luke's defenses. He might shrug it off without a thought or he might be just as strongly affected as any other human. And Vulture's physical claws and such weren't really designed for combat to start with - they didn't do all that much physical damage to Spider-man, who was pretty much totally beaten and who doesn't have super resistant skin at all.

I don't really think there's even enough information available to make an informed opinion, but if I have to guess, I'll guess that Luke is probably more immune to Vulturetech than not and will eventually grab a hold of the Vulture's wings and crush them, so Luke wins.

 

[Stormborn]

*sigh* I see this won't end well. Vision wins 3-0. Next up:

The Vulture

Vs. Luke Cage

Who you got peeps?

I think I'll vote Vulture.

Since Spider-Man never overpowered/tore apart Vulture's suit, I don't think Luke could. And since Luke's a close quarters fighter who can't jump that high he'll spend most of the fight unable to hit Vulture anyway.

Vulture can't hurt Luke with his guns/wings but he could always grab Luke and try dropping him a few hundred metres. It almost worked on Spidey.

 

[Batmannerism]

*sigh* I see this won't end well. Vision wins 23-0. Next up:

The Vulture

Vs. Luke Cage

Who you got peeps?

The big question is whether Luke's skin can resist Vulture's wing blades and advanced guns/blasters.

If so, then eventually Luke grabs him and simply tears the wing suit apart. If not, then Vulture kills Luke pretty quickly.

So.....I'll give this to Luke but 6/10 and vulture 4/10. So Luke but only just.

I don't know why they wouldn't be able to. They are not made of Vibranium or Adamatium are they? Is Adamatium in the MCU yet?

Sorry, you've confused me. Are you suggesting that;

1) Luke could resist the cutting edge of the wings ( which cut through concrete pillars, but are made of some exotic alien material - not vibranium as far as we know)

OR

2) Luke could not resist the blades, in which case he's in big trouble.

 

[Docker2.0]

The big question is whether Luke's skin can resist Vulture's wing blades and advanced guns/blasters.

If so, then eventually Luke grabs him and simply tears the wing suit apart. If not, then Vulture kills Luke pretty quickly.

So.....I'll give this to Luke but 6/10 and vulture 4/10. So Luke but only just.



Sorry, you've confused me. Are you suggesting that;

1) Luke could resist the cutting edge of the wings ( which cut through concrete pillars, but are made of some exotic alien material - not vibranium as far as we know)

OR

2) Luke could not resist the blades, in which case he's in big trouble.

I think Luke could resist the blades.

 

[Luigi]

Hard one since we don't really know if the Vulture's energy weapons can harm Luke. Going with Luke but theoretically it could go either way.

 

[Stormborn]

You guys all seem to think this hinges on whether Vulture can hurt Luke with his wings/guns.

What about the third option of Vulture picking Luke up, flying a few hundred feet up in the air and dropping him?

He almost killed Spider-Man with that trick and since Luke doesn't have a stark suit with a built in parachute it ought to work.

 

[Bayne]

You guys all seem to think this hinges on whether Vulture can hurt Luke with his wings/guns.

What about the third option of Vulture picking Luke up, flying a few hundred feet up in the air and dropping him?

He almost killed Spider-Man with that trick and since Luke doesn't have a stark suit with a built in parachute it ought to work.

I don't see the Vulture getting very far off the ground without Luke ripping his wings apart. They weren't that amazingly durable and Luke is an experienced adult who knows how to fight, not a young kid who's just winging it because he doesn't really know what to do.

Also, Luke isn't completely invulnerable, but he doesn't get harmed by impacts normally. I'm not really sure how high the Vulture would have to go to actually put him out of commission.

 

[Batmannerism]

I think Luke could resist the blades.

Thanks for clarifying that. Okay then, Luke wins 7/10 times by ripping apart the Vulture suit, and loses 3 /10 times by Vulture being able to pick him up and carry him high enough so that if dropped he'll die ( or over a large body of water, to far for him to swim back to land).

Cheers.

 

[Docker2.0]

Luke Cage wins 3-1. Next up, user requested match:

The Invincible Iron Man

Vs Dr. Strange

Magic vs Technology. So who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Luke Cage wins 3-1. Next up, user requested match:

The Invincible Iron Man

Vs Dr. Strange

Magic vs Technology. So who you got peeps?

Great match up, and very tricky ! Both went 1 on 1 with Thanos and lived ( albeit for different reasons).

Strange's shields could probably deflect Tony's physical attacks ( worked with Thanos) . We saw the Ancient One taking out Chitauri with her spells and she incapacitates the Hulk instantly - so magic can be very potent. Strange was able to summon enough power to turn a flood into a waterspout - that's pretty impressive.

The trick is that Tony can probably survive at least one direct hit from a nasty spell ( e.g. the Crimson bands of Cytorrak, which Strange used against Thanos in IW) whereas a single punch or repulsor blast is enough to take Strange out if he fails to conjure a shield in time.

I'm going to call this one a draw - as Strange would win 5/10 times with spells that don't need to rely on physical impact ( negating the advantage of Tony's armour) and Tony wins 5/10 by landing a solid blow before Strange does something crafty. Or they take each other out, Tony blasts Strange but gets portaled into a black hole or trapped in the mirror dimension.

I'm going to say DRAW.

 

[Docker2.0]

Surprisingly I agree. As easy as it is to say Strange wins, all Tony has to do is land ONE blow to knock him out. IDK, I can just see Stark doing that 5/10 times.

 

[Iceman]

Same as above but I give Strange 6/10 victories. Yes, it can be said that all anyone has to do is land one blow on Strange, but that goes for even a civilian with a baseball bat or gun who has never been in a fight in their life. Xavier or Phoenix would also have this supposed obvious vulnerability. It’s too much of an oversimplification. These guys could wear armour if they wanted but they are sufficiently well versed in their arts that there is little benefit to them doing so.

Strange missing a shield is like someone who rides a bike every day falling off for no reason on a straight road due to not concentrating. It can happen but the equivalent would be Stark misjudging an attack and losing to a combo. I also think Strange is more practised against higher level opponents, nearly all of who could one-shot him, so he is used to fighting with this in mind.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

A portal is all that Steve needs to win this round.

 

[Batmannerism]

Surprisingly I agree. As easy as it is to say Strange wins, all Tony has to do is land ONE blow to knock him out. IDK, I can just see Stark doing that 5/10 times.

That is surprising indeed ! Cheers!

 

[Batmannerism]

Same as above but I give Strange 6/10 victories. Yes, it can be said that all anyone has to do is land one blow on Strange, but that goes for even a civilian with a baseball bat or gun who has never been in a fight in their life. Xavier or Phoenix would also have this supposed obvious vulnerability. It’s too much of an oversimplification. These guys could wear armour if they wanted but they are sufficiently well versed in their arts that there is little benefit to them doing so.

Strange missing a shield is like someone who rides a bike every day falling off for no reason on a straight road due to not concentrating. It can happen but the equivalent would be Stark misjudging an attack and losing to a combo. I also think Strange is more practised against higher level opponents, nearly all of who could one-shot him, so he is used to fighting with this in mind.

Strange prefers to win through cleverness rather than brute force - Tony, for all his genius, is very much about brute force ( he has a computer do his fight analysis for him). Strange would beat Tony with a combination of spells that kept him off balance and misdirected his powerful attacks.

Why I see this as even is because all Strange has to do miss once with a block and he's down - Tony doesn't have that same narrow margin of error. In a fight one has to be able to take hits as well as give them and - because sooner or later everyone gets misses a block or parry, or fails to evade and then "bam". Tony could probably take at least one shot from Strange's most powerful spell and still be standing - which is why I see Strange using more subtle means to defeat him.

I'm very interested to see how the poll works out - no one has voted for Tony to win so far !

 

[Iceman]

Strange prefers to win through cleverness rather than brute force - Tony, for all his genius, is very much about brute force ( he has a computer do his fight analysis for him). Strange would beat Tony with a combination of spells that kept him off balance and misdirected his powerful attacks.

Why I see this as even is because all Strange has to do miss once with a block and he's down - Tony doesn't have that same narrow margin of error. In a fight one has to be able to take hits as well as give them and - because sooner or later everyone gets misses a block or parry, or fails to evade and then "bam". Tony could probably take at least one shot from Strange's most powerful spell and still be standing - which is why I see Strange using more subtle means to defeat him.

I'm very interested to see how the poll works out - no one has voted for Tony to win so far !

I agree with all the good points you made in this and the previous post. I had Strange operating on a slightly higher level but this helped convince me that it will be very close. If it was a one off fight either could win. Luck would probably play a big part. Over the course of 10 fights again it would be very even. I feel on average Strange will win 1 or 2 more than Stark as he is fiendishly clever as you say and I would think a computer isn’t as effective against at least specific magic attacks it hasn’t experienced before (that Strange may have kept up his sleeve to date or more recently learnt) and which it can’t really understand as easily and quickly as all other kinds of attacks.

 

[Imjenn]

I vote Strange just for the unpredictability. The very nature of magic is its randomness to the unlearned, so I doubt Tony could use his on-board computer to analyse and find a solution vs Strange. The sheer versatility he showed against Thanos on Titan is enough to put this in his favor. Though Ironman was able to actually draw blood, whereas Strange couldn't (there's an argument there about his use of the time stone prior so he would know what to do).

I go with the good Doctor.

 

[Docker2.0]

Same as above but I give Strange 6/10 victories. Yes, it can be said that all anyone has to do is land one blow on Strange, but that goes for even a civilian with a baseball bat or gun who has never been in a fight in their life. Xavier or Phoenix would also have this supposed obvious vulnerability. It’s too much of an oversimplification. These guys could wear armour if they wanted but they are sufficiently well versed in their arts that there is little benefit to them doing so.

Strange missing a shield is like someone who rides a bike every day falling off for no reason on a straight road due to not concentrating. It can happen but the equivalent would be Stark misjudging an attack and losing to a combo. I also think Strange is more practised against higher level opponents, nearly all of who could one-shot him, so he is used to fighting with this in mind.

Thanks for your monthly visit! See you next month. MLK birthday maybe?

 

[Docker2.0]

A portal is all that Steve needs to win this round.

Steve?

 

[Docker2.0]

I vote Strange just for the unpredictability. The very nature of magic is its randomness to the unlearned, so I doubt Tony could use his on-board computer to analyse and find a solution vs Strange. The sheer versatility he showed against Thanos on Titan is enough to put this in his favor. Though Ironman was able to actually draw blood, whereas Strange couldn't (there's an argument there about his use of the time stone prior so he would know what to do).

I go with the good Doctor.

I think that's actually why Stark goes for the kill. He knows Strange can take him out in a snap which is why he won't play around with this at all.

 

[Stormborn]

I vote Iron Man, although I think it'd be close.

Strange might be far more powerful but he's also far more vulnerable and needs to make a hand gesture to cast each spell.

More often than not I think Iron Man could blitz Strange before he can cast his most powerful spells (like Ebony Maw did) or rely on his flight speed/durability advantage to keep him in the fight long enough to get at least one missile/beam/bullet past Strange's shields.

 

[Iceman]

Thanks for your monthly visit! See you next month. MLK birthday maybe?

I need to come here more often.

 

[hisham]

Ironman wins. I don't think that there is anything that strange used against thanos that tany can't avoid.. and Tony have more powerful attacks and he can use more than one of them at a time.

Luke Cage wins 3-1. Next up, user requested match:

The Invincible Iron Man

Vs Dr. Strange

Magic vs Technology. So who you got peeps?