MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

The House Party Protocol should take this.

By feats Iron Man suits are actually way more impressive than Wakandan tech.

Durability:

• Killmonger has a vibranium weave Black Panther suit (tough but apparently vulnerable to grenades and rhino charges) but he's the only one. His army have some vibranium weave clothing but are far more exposed (e.g. no helmets).
• Iron Man suits have superior durability feats like shrugging off gunfire, tank shells, mid air collisions with fighter jets, hits from Thor etc. They were weak to extreme heat from Extremis soldiers but that's not really relevant here.

Strength/Firepower:

• Killmonger has low level superhuman strength and vibranium claws. His army is mostly human melee fighters, although a few have vibranium spears that can shoot down gunships.
• The Iron Man suits have missiles that can destroy tanks, lasers that can cut through heavy armour, guns that can fire a dozen bullets at once all targeted at weak points etc plus if they end up in close quarters their strength advantage is huge.

Mobility:

• Killmonger's army was mostly infantry and rhinos plus a couple of (featless) gunships.
• Every Iron Man suit can fly, some with speeds comparable to fighter jets.

Tactics:

• We saw in Black Panther and Infinity War that Wakandan armies just tend to charge in and engage in hand to hand. It probably wasn't the writer's intention but they seem inferior to modern western militaries.
• We saw in Iron Man 3 that when Jarvis controls the suits, he exploits flight and ranged attacks to take on enemies that favour melee.

For all its wonderful tech the House party army didn't fare very well against a handful of opponents , against an army armed with vibranium weapons and force field cloaks I don't fancy their chances.

What makes the Iron Man armour formidable is the person piloting it - which is why Tony is such a tough opponent while suited up. Without a skilled operator I don't rate the suits' chances against skilled fighters, especially in close quarters - on that note, Vibranium weapons cut through Iron Man suits- which is how Steve disabled Tony in CW.

At the end of IM 3 it wasn't the House Party suits that defeated Killian, it was Extremis Pepper.

 

[Stormborn]

For all its wonderful tech the House party army didn't fare very well against a handful of opponents , against an army armed with vibranium weapons and force field cloaks I don't fancy their chances

The Jarvis controlled Iron Man suits did pretty okay against the Extremis Soldiers. Other than Killian himself (killed by Pepper), Jarvis killed all of them and there were still twenty or so Iron Man suits left at the end of the fight.

It's worth putting that into context as well.

The Extremis Soldiers each had impressive superhuman strength, reflexes and durability plus healing factors and multi-thousand degree heat they could channel through their hands to tear through metal.

Wakandan foot soldiers don't have any of those advantages. They're mostly just human melee fighters and all it takes to overcome those force field projectors is the ability to jump/fly over them or shoot missiles around them.

What makes the Iron Man armour formidable is the person piloting it - which is why Tony is such a tough opponent while suited up. Without a skilled operator I don't rate the suits' chances against skilled fighters, especially in close quarters

Even without a skilled pilot like Tony or Rhodes, you're still talking about 30+ suits, each with aerial superiority, enough firepower to take out hundreds of footsoldiers in minutes and even overwhelm Killmonger's suit. On a sidenote their strength/durability is also way above anyone on the Wakandan side.

Vibranium weapons could cut them but that shouldn't be a deciding factor since there's no reason for them to land and let this become a close quarters fight.

 

[Docker2.0]

The Jarvis controlled Iron Man suits did pretty okay against the Extremis Soldiers. Other than Killian himself (killed by Pepper), Jarvis killed all of them and there were still twenty or so Iron Man suits left at the end of the fight.

It's worth putting that into context as well.

The Extremis Soldiers each had impressive superhuman strength, reflexes and durability plus healing factors and multi-thousand degree heat they could channel through their hands to tear through metal.

Wakandan foot soldiers don't have any of those advantages. They're mostly just human melee fighters and all it takes to overcome those force field projectors is the ability to jump/fly over them or shoot missiles around them.



Even without a skilled pilot like Tony or Rhodes, you're still talking about 30+ suits, each with aerial superiority, enough firepower to take out hundreds of footsoldiers in minutes and even overwhelm Killmonger's suit. On a sidenote their strength/durability is also way above anyone on the Wakandan side.

Vibranium weapons could cut them but that shouldn't be a deciding factor since there's no reason for them to land and let this become a close quarters fight.

Wow. I actually agree with you.

 

[Shuri]

Hey everybody look!!! Shuri made her monthly sojourn to this thread!!

 

[Shuri]

Here's the match I'll set up for you

HOUSE PARTY PROTOCOL


vs

ERIK KILLMONGER AND HIS ARMY​

Fighting grounds 1: Far from Wakanda, and their supply of vibranium is the load of two garbage trucks.
Fighting grounds 2: In Wakanda, and the supply of vibranium they are allowed to use is four times the size of the first battle. No animals help them this time.
Fighting grounds 3: Same as 2, with restriction on animals removed..

This could go either way. House party protocol were not that impressive to me, but they can fly and therefore harder to hit. The wakanda army have vibranium, and other advanced weapons.

 

[Docker2.0]

This could go either way. House party protocol were not that impressive to me, but they can fly and therefore harder to hit. The wakanda army have vibranium, and other advanced weapons.

 

[Shuri]

No way

 

[Luigi]

Luke Cage and Iron Fist

vs.

Winter Soldier (no guns)

and

Crossbones

Who wins?

 

[Batmannerism]

Luke Cage and Iron Fist

vs.

Winter Soldier (no guns)

and

Crossbones

Who wins?

Hmmmm, not easy. I'm going with Cage and Fist, although I'd expect Danny to die in the process.
In the end, I think that Luke's invulnerability ( although that depends if we're in season 1 or 2) is the deciding factor because I dont think Bucky or Bones can seriously harm or KO him.

Luke could probably shrug off Bucky's best shots ( although the Luke who was KOd by a PBR shotgun blast maybe not) and Crossbones' power punches.

Skill wise Bucky and Bones are probably a match for Iron Fist, but he could probably drop Crossbones with one well placed blow - Bucky maybe not. But Luke can hit hard enough to I jure or KO Bucky - assuming he can land a shot.

If you give Bucky any weapon that can injure Luke, like his grenade launcher or even a gun with armour piercing bullets that can cause Luke pain - then Bucky and Crossbones are at least even.

With no guns I say 7/10 times Luke and Danny win, with guns it's about 5/10, so even each way.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Iron Fist alone can beat both opponents.
Unlike old comics that limit Danny's chi to one punch, the show used his upgraded skills and he can use his iron fist enough time to break all armor, knock Winter Soldier down, and defeat Rumlow without using his chi afterwards.

Also, Danny is a bullet timer, he can dodge bullets (for those who come across this match and wonder what bullet-timer means), so Captain America's acquaintance are lost in most scenarios.

 

[Shuri]

Luke Cage and Iron Fist

vs.

Winter Soldier (no guns)

and

Crossbones

Who wins?

Luke Cage and Iron fist.

Can Luke cage be harmed by Bucky's vibranium arm? If so, then it might not be easy for Luke cage and IF to beat WS and CB.

 

[Docker2.0]

Luke Cage and Iron fist.

Can Luke cage be harmed by Bucky's vibranium arm? If so, then it might not be easy for Luke cage and IF to beat WS and CB.

You posted twice in one week?! This really is the freaking apocalypse!

Oh and I'm going Power man and Iron Fist. I see the weak link being Crossbones. Once Luke disarms him, it's two against one and I just can't see Bucky winning it.

 

[Luigi]

Luke Cage and Iron fist.

Can Luke cage be harmed by Bucky's vibranium arm? If so, then it might not be easy for Luke cage and IF to beat WS and CB.

I imagine so. His vibranium arm has overpowered Cap a few times.

 

[Docker2.0]

Powerman and Iron Fist win in a shut out. Next up:

Bushmaster

vs

The man without fear: Daredevil.

I can't remember if this was done before but I am drinking corona beer celebrating my covid recovery.

 

[Luigi]

Bushmaster

Dude was able to go toe to toe with Luke Cage. Matt doesn't have the means necessary to put down Bushmaster.

I can't remember if this was done before but I am drinking corona beer celebrating my covid recovery.

Congrats!

 

[Docker2.0]

Bushmaster

Dude was able to go toe to toe with Luke Cage. Matt doesn't have the means necessary to put down Bushmaster.

Congrats!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I am celebrating my covid recovery.

SIR YES SIR.
Good to have you back in healthy condition with us.

 

[Stormborn]

Bushmaster

Borderline bulletproof level durability, superhuman speed and strong enough to KO Luke Cage.

It doesn't matter that Daredevil is a more skilled fighter, he'd be out of his league physically.

I can't remember if this was done before but I am drinking corona beer celebrating my covid recovery.

Good to hear. Hope everyone else is keeping healthy.

 

[Shuri]

Bushmaster. That guy was a beast.

 

[Shuri]

I can't remember if this was done before but I am drinking corona beer celebrating my covid recovery.

Glad you are okay.

 

[Batmannerism]

Powerman and Iron Fist win in a shut out. Next up:

Bushmaster

vs

The man without fear: Daredevil.

I can't remember if this was done before but I am drinking corona beer celebrating my covid recovery.

Glad to hear you are feeling better .

Bushmaster wins both the fight and the stupidest name competition.

 

[Docker2.0]

Another shut out?!

Next up:
Venom

vs the Invincible Iron Man

Who you got peeps?

 

[Luigi]

Iron Man

Assuming it's the mark VI suit, Tony's lasers and weaponry would make quick work of Venom. Not to mention that if the mark VI can withstand being thrown around in giant engine rotors, then it should be able to withstand a couple of blows from Venom.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

IRON MAN

 

[Batmannerism]

Iron Man

Assuming it's the mark VI suit, Tony's lasers and weaponry would make quick work of Venom. Not to mention that if the mark VI can withstand being thrown around in giant engine rotors, then it should be able to withstand a couple of blows from Venom.

There's a lot of firepower in that suit - enough to destroy Venom I suspect, or at least enough to kill Eddie, which leaves the symbiote as an angry puddle of goo. Add to that a distinct mobility advantage and I see Tony winning at least 8/10 times.

Interestingly War Machine from Civil War has the best combination of weaponry to use against Venom, a sonic blaster, repulsors and high explosives. The Wakandan army with their sonic spears would make short work of him, as would Klaue.