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MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

Nat

Faster and stronger. She's faced far more imposing opponents. It'd be a fun fight to watch.
Black Widow, 10/10, no question in my mind.

Natasha is very adept at fighting multiple opponents. Given how she took down a ton of hardened mercs in Cap CW, she wins easily.

The only way the girls have a chance against her is bare fists only, no weapons, and even then IMO she kicks the crap out of them. Given her feats I think she would beat James Bond and Ethan Hunt and possibly even fight Jason Bourne to a draw.
The fight would take a drastic turn the second that Jason Bourne gets his hands on some household items.
 
Nat

Faster and stronger. She's faced far more imposing opponents. It'd be a fun fight to watch.

The fight would take a drastic turn the second that Jason Bourne gets his hands on some household items.

Give Jason Bourne a pen and he's extra deadly. Last person you would ever want to fight in a kitchen or toolshed.
 
Black Widow wins by a shut out. Next up:

Spiderman
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vs Scott Lang.............the Ant Man
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Who you got peeps?
 
Black Widow wins by a shut out. Next up:

Spiderman
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vs Scott Lang.............the Ant Man
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Who you got peeps?

Tricky. It all comes down to tactics. Pound for pound Scott is no match for Spidey, not even close.

But when you're Ant/Giant Man then pound for pound doesn't mean anything.

I think the key here is that its Infinity War Iron Spider vs Ant Man from his first film.

Scott might be able to disable Spidey's suit and web shooters by shrinking down and damaging them from within. But Spidey still has his super strength, agility, wall crawling and senses to fall back on.

As Ant Man he's very hard to hit - although given Spidey's super reflexes and senses if anyone could do it, its him.

Spidey could take Scott's best rapid shrink-grow attacks ( like in the gif above) and still be standing, whereas a solid hit from Spidey and Scott is going down.

As Giant Man Scott probably would be able to crush Spider Man ( he crushed Cull Obsidian).....if he could hit him. I see it more likely that Spidey would entangle him and knock him ( much like Civil War) over or find a way to disable his suit.

Given that both of them rely quite a bit on a high tech suit, but without the suit Spider Man is still very superhuman ( e.g.can be hit by a train and be knocked out but not squashed into goo ) I think he's got too big an advantage.

So Spidey 8/10.

Now, if this was Endgame or even Civil War Ant Man against Homecoming Spider Man I'd call it a 50--50 draw because at that stage Spidey was a total screw up. By the time we get to Infinity War he's a lot more skillful ( e.g. holds his own with Cull Obsidian, without serious injury). But back at the Homecoming stage a street level thug with a cool toy could give him a tough time.
 
Now, if this was Endgame or even Civil War Ant Man against Homecoming Spider Man I'd call it a 50--50 draw because at that stage Spidey was a total screw up. By the time we get to Infinity War he's a lot more skillful ( e.g. holds his own with Cull Obsidian, without serious injury). But back at the Homecoming stage a street level thug with a cool toy could give him a tough time.
If this was Homecoming version of Spider-Man then the skilled Scott Lang can take him out, not much of a problem.

But I'll vote for Infinity War Spidey against Scott most of the times, he will easily have the upper hand.
 
I vote for Spider-man, too. Ant-man 1 Scott is just too limited and inexperienced to overcome the strength, speed and durability advantage.
 
Spiderman
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vs Scott Lang.............the Ant Man
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Who you got peeps?

We've had Spider-Man vs Ant Man before (way back on page 8)

Here's what I said back then.

I said:
  • At regular size, Scott's not much of a fighter.
  • At Ant Man size, he makes terrible use of his powers and has trouble with things like windscreen wipers. He also struggled to beat Black Widow and Falcon.
  • At Giant Man size, he's too slow to hit Spidey and vulnerable to having his legs webbed together.
Meanwhile, MCU Peter's extremely strong and durable plus he can outmanoeuvre Scott with his webs, spider sense and agility.

Spider-Man still gets my vote here.

Making it a version of Scott that can't go giant gives him even less of a chance. Spider-Man wins.
 
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We've had Spider-Man vs Ant Man before (way back on page 8)

Here's what I said back then.



Spider-Man still gets my vote here.

Making it a version of Scott that can't go giant gives him even less of a chance. Spider-Man wins.
Page 8. :dry: This is page 42. Did you really go and look back on this to see if it was done? Some of these matches will repeat themselves because MCU is on hiatus for now.
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Page 8. :dry: This is page 42. Did you really go and look back on this to see if it was done? Some of these matches will repeat themselves because MCU is on hiatus for now.
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I guess I've got a good memory for these things.

Some of these matches will repeat themselves because MCU is on hiatus for now

I can think of a fair few I'd like to see:
  • Gamora vs Daisy Johnson (Quake)
  • Hawkeye and Black Widow vs Punisher and Daredevil
  • Black Widow vs Okoye
  • Hawkeye vs Yondu
  • Gamora and Nebula vs Corvus and Proxima
  • Gladiator Thor (no lightning) vs Hulkbuster
  • Scarlet Witch vs Quicksilver
  • Captain America vs T'Challa (no vibranium suit)
  • Hulk vs Fenris (rematch, no waterfall)
  • Giant Man vs Hulkbuster
  • Thanos (no gauntlet, no sword) vs Kurse
  • Worthy Cap vs Hulk
 
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And feel free to do a match. This is our thread, not just mine. I just try and do a match every 48 hours.
 
If Doc doesn't mind, I'll put one up.

Iron Monger

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vs.

Loki

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Who wins?

I'll play. I say Loki wins 9/10 times. Uses his illusions to make Stane think he's dead and then shanks him with an Asgardian dagger or two ( if they're sharp enough to hurt Thor they're probably up to piercing the Iron Monger armour).

Also, without the suit Stane is just a human whereas Loki seems to be as tough and strong as an average Asgardian.
 
I agree with @Batmannerism

Iron Monger was only a challenge for Tony because his Iron Man suit was running out of power. He's really not that impressive.

Loki's durability, his illusions and his combat skills will make him very hard to put down. And if Loki's daggers can cut Thor then they should slice right through Stane's armour.

Loki seems to be as tough and strong as an average Asgardian.

He might even be tougher. The guy took a beatdown from Hulk and walked away.

And feel free to do a match. This is our thread, not just mine. I just try and do a match every 48 hours.

Cool, I'll keep that in mind. Looks like I've been beaten to it this time though.
 
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I don't know anything about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., so aye aye aye yaayy.

I think the upperhand will go to the cinematic team on this one.
 
I don't know anything about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., so aye aye aye yaayy.

Well, I did give links to respect threads.

TL-DR: Quake is a Black Widow style martial artist/SHIELD agent but also has powers. She can create shockwaves powerful enough to take out superhumans/destroy buildings etc.
 
Daisy Johnson AKA Quake (respect thread here)
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and
Daredevil (respect thread here)
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VERSUS

Winter Soldier (respect thread here, no guns/knives)
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and
Black Widow (respect thread here, no guns/tasers)
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Guess it all depends who gets in the first strike.

Seems a bit of a mismatch when one player has superpowers that can smash buildings, and the other team doesn't get guns.

Guns would be the leveler, Black Widow is an amazing shot, so give her a gun and Quake's powers may not come into play. Winter Soldier is more of a sniper, although he's a pretty good shot too.

In a hand to hand fight the Winter Soldier beats any of them. None of them is strong enough to do him any serious harm ( without weapons) whereas he has the ultimate bionic arm death grip.

Otherwise, it seems like DD would tell Quake where Nat and Bucky and she uses her shockwave powers to turn them into pulp.
 
Black Widow and Winter Soldier. Even though Daisy has powers, I see her being the weak link here.

If Nat and Bucky have no ranged attacks, and Quake can project shockwaves that can smash buildings, how do they get near her ?

The only way I see Nat and Bucky winning is by surprise attack - and with DD 's super senses, that seems very unlikely.

I suppose if Quake is stupid enough to get into hand to hand with either Nat or Bucky she's in big trouble. But if she relies on her ranged powers she seems to have an overwhelming advantage.


Can't see DD beating Bucky, he'd give it a good shot but eventually Bucky's too tough and strong.
 

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