MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Luigi]

GOTG

Mantis is the their best weapon in this fight. The GOTG have proven that they're just as crafty as Loki and can keep him off balance long enough for Mantis to grab a hold of him and put him to sleep.

 

[Stormborn]

GOTG

Mantis is the their best weapon in this fight. The GOTG have proven that they're just as crafty as Loki and can keep him off balance long enough for Mantis to grab a hold of him and put him to sleep.

I thought this was just the original Guardians vs Loki.

The GotG 2 team vs Loki is a little more interesting but I still think Loki wins. He's got mental manipulation powers of his own so I don't think Mantis would be that much of a threat to him.

If we're counting every character that's ever joined the MCU Guardians then that technically includes Thor now so Loki loses.

 

[Docker2.0]

It is the original team. Whoever is on the original pic. I didn't think I had to explain that.

 

[Batmannerism]

GOTG

Mantis is the their best weapon in this fight. The GOTG have proven that they're just as crafty as Loki and can keep him off balance long enough for Mantis to grab a hold of him and put him to sleep.

Agree. GOTG would be able to keep him off balance long enough for Mantis to sleep spell him or Rocket to find a big enough gun to stun him.

Of course if Loki has his big bendy horned helmet that might make a difference.....

 

[Luigi]

I thought this was just the original Guardians vs Loki.

The GotG 2 team vs Loki is a little more interesting but I still think Loki wins. He's got mental manipulation powers of his own so I don't think Mantis would be that much of a threat to him.

If we're counting every character that's ever joined the MCU Guardians then that technically includes Thor now so Loki loses.

It is the original team. Whoever is on the original pic. I didn't think I had to explain that.

Even still, the original GOTG team should be able to keep Loki on his toes and eventually get the drop on him.

 

[jolldan]

Going with Loki.

Personally don't see Quill or Rocket being major factors here as can be taken out relatively easily like Coulson was.

Drax I would say could likely be taken out by just better skill with his blades

If the GOTG are getting access to the Hadron Enforcer it would only seem fair to give Loki access to the Casket of Ancient Winters which I think would be enough to totally neutralize Groot.

Biggest x-factor and competition I would say is Gamora but for all the talk of her being the fiercest warrior in the galaxy I don't feel like we were ever really been shown her to be that.

 

[Docker2.0]

It ends in a tie, 2-2. I didn't vote because I didn't have any idea. Loki really is an underestimated, cunning individual but I honestly believe that if GoTG was to win, it would depend on Rocket and Groot.
Next up:

Spiderman

Vs. The Defenders

Who you got?

 

[Batmannerism]

It ends in a tie, 2-2. I didn't vote because I didn't have any idea. Loki really is an underestimated, cunning individual but I honestly believe that if GoTG was to win, it would depend on Rocket and Groot.
Next up:

Spiderman

Vs. The Defenders

Who you got?

Tom Holland Spider Man with the Iron spider suit and post FFH.... probably takes this - he's too mobile for Luke, Danny or Matt to hit easily and probably strong enough to at least stun Luke.

and could certain ly KOthe others. While he's outnumbered his webbing could temporarily take out multiple opponents ( Matt's not getting out of any webbing, Danny, Jessica and Luke might but it will slow them down enough for Spidey to pick them off one at a time).

So Spidey. In comparison Maguire or Garfield Spider Men take this handily. Maguire was strong and tough enough to stop a train and Garfield is too damn fast.

 

[Stormborn]

Spider-Man wins.

• Even without the Iron Spider suit, he's survived a plane crash, hits from Cull Obsidian and being hit by a train.
• He's strong enough to catch an airport bridge and lift tonnes of concrete with no leverage.
• As of FFH he's got a Spider Sense that let him avoid machine gun fire from multiple drones.
• His webbing briefly held a ferry together and restrained one of Thanos arms.

There's a chance the Iron Fist could take Peter down but magic punches aside Danny is only human and it seems more likely he'll be knocked out or webbed up before he can get a good hit in.

Luke Cage would be very difficult to KO but Luke isn't fast or strong enough to fight a guy who can casually catch Winter Soldier's metal arm and shrug off a plane crash. Chances are Peter webs him up eventually.

Jessica's a pretty low level superhuman (weaker, less skilled and far less durable than Luke) so she wouldn't be as much trouble.

Matt's an incredibly skilled fighter but he's out of his weight class.

 

[Bayne]

Yeah, Spidey wins. He's got them all outclassed individually and (as has been mentioned previously) the Defenders don't really work well together. And even then Spidey has the abilities (webbing, agility, speed, spider sense, strength) necessary to isolate them and take them out one at a time, no matter what.

 

[Luigi]

Spidey easily.

 

[Docker2.0]

Spidey wins 4-0. Next up:

Black Panther

Vs Iron Man

Who you got?

 

[Stormborn]

T'Challa's got Cap level powers and skill plus vibranium durability on his side but it's not enough to beat Tony.

Even in his earlier suits, Iron Man's far stronger, extremely tough and has a flight advantage. We've seen Black Panther struggle against a grenade launcher so a barrage of repulsors and tank destroying missiles would be too much for him.

 

[Docker2.0]

T'Challa's got Cap level powers and skill plus vibranium durability on his side but it's not enough to beat Tony.

Even in his earlier suits, Iron Man's far stronger, extremely tough and has a flight advantage. We've seen Black Panther struggle against a grenade launcher so a barrage of repulsors and tank destroying missiles would be too much for him.

But doesn't his suit absorb all that and give him a super punch? I swear man, I think you just do this to embarass me.

 

[Stormborn]

Now that I think about it, your picture's of his Civil War suit (which was taken down by Black Widow's taser).

He doesn't get the suit that absorbs attacks and gives him a super punch until his solo film. And like I said, he was hurt by a grenade launcher in that suit. He also got ragdolled by a Rhino and was still on the ground a minute or so later.

BP is extremely tough but he's not invulnerable.

 

[Bayne]

I agree. BP's CW suit isn't durable enough to take on IM. The later suit definitely has a shot (depending on which IM suit and how far out of reach Tony stays), but the original suit has no chance.

 

[Stormborn]

I agree. BP's CW suit isn't durable enough to take on IM. The later suit definitely has a shot (depending on which IM suit and how far out of reach Tony stays), but the original suit has no chance.

Black Panther would beat the mark 1 Tony built in a cave and the prototype from Iron Man 3 that kept falling apart.

The suit in the picture is the armour he used to brawl with Thor and which survived being caught in the helicarrier turbine. I can't see T'Challa winning against that.

 

[Bayne]

Black Panther would beat the mark 1 Tony built in a cave and the prototype from Iron Man 3 that kept falling apart.

The suit in the picture is the armour he used to brawl with Thor and which survived being caught in the helicarrier turbine. I can't see T'Challa winning against that.

Depends on how the fight goes. Don't forget that T'Challa's claws are vibranium, and his jumping skills (not suit dependant) in Black Panther are pretty extreme. If Tony hangs back at maximum range and never lets him near, sure, but that's not how Tony works. He almost never fights that way. If he gets within 60 feet of Black Panther, I think there's a chance T'Challa starts getting some hits in and his hits are vibranium hits which should definitely be able to damage Tony's armor.

It's just that this is all dependant on Black Panther surviving long enough to actually make a fight of it. His Civil War suit wasn't capable of that level of protection, clearly. His Black Panther suit, though, has a real shot, imo, considering how many massive hits we've seen it take.

 

[Batmannerism]

Cap disabled Tony's suit in CW, with a vibranium weapon. At close quarters, with his absorption suit T'Challa likely takes this as his vibranium claws are going to shred the IM armour.

The nanotech suit would be a much more even fight - but again Tchalla is the much more skilled fighter.

If Tony hung back and used his mobility advantage and explosive weapons different story.

Given that Tony almost always closes with his opponents I give TChalla the win.

 

[Stormborn]

Cap disabled Tony's suit in CW, with a vibranium weapon.

True but Cap and Winter Soldier only survived fighting Iron Man in Civil War because

• it was 2 on 1 in an underground bunker that prevented flight
• Cap got multiple free shots because Tony was focused on Bucky
• Cap got multiple second chances because Tony didn't want to risk seriously injuring him by using his more powerful weapons
• Cap eventually managed to blindside Tony whilst he was focused on Bucky and land a hit on Tony's arc reactor.

In a fair one on one fight, Iron Man would beat Cap fairly easily.

His Civil War suit wasn't capable of that level of protection, clearly. His Black Panther suit, though, has a real shot, imo

At close quarters, with his absorption suit T'Challa likely takes this

I really don't think T'Challa's new suit makes much of a difference. We know its durability has limits because we've seen him hurt by a grenade launcher and by a Rhino. Plus it's presumably weak to tasers just like the Civil.War suit.

On the other hand I really can't see the charged punches hurting Tony through armour that took hits from Thor and withstood the helicarrier turbine.

his vibranium claws are going to shred the IM armour.

We haven't seen T'Challa use his claws much. The strongest things we've seen him cut through is the roof of a car.

Saying they'll easily shred Iron Man armour seems like a bit of a leap.

Tony almost always closes with his opponents.

If you watch his fights against Thor, Ultron and Thanos (IW) he actually uses his ranged attacks a lot and uses his flight for hit and run attacks.

Tchalla is the much more skilled fighter.

True but I really don't think it's enough to make up for Tony's huge strength advantage, flight advantage, overwhelming firepower and that "Friday analyse his fight patterns" trick.

The nanotech suit would be a much more even fight

T'Challa vs Avengers 1 Tony is already a one sided fight. If Tony has his Infinity War armour instead then T'Challa gets curbstomped.

That suit gave Thanos a respectable fight. The same Thanos that casually caught T'Challa mid leap and KO'd him with one punch.

 

[Batmannerism]

True but Cap and Winter Soldier only survived fighting Iron Man in Civil War because

• it was 2 on 1 in an underground bunker that prevented flight
• Cap got multiple free shots because Tony was focused on Bucky
• Cap got multiple second chances because Tony didn't want to risk seriously injuring him by using his more powerful weapons
• Cap eventually managed to blindside Tony whilst he was focused on Bucky and land a hit on Tony's arc reactor.

In a fair one on one fight, Iron Man would beat Cap fairly easily.




I really don't think T'Challa's new suit makes much of a difference. We know its durability has limits because we've seen him hurt by a grenade launcher and by a Rhino. Plus it's presumably weak to tasers just like the Civil.War suit.

On the other hand I really can't see the charged punches hurting Tony through armour that took hits from Thor and withstood the helicarrier turbine.



We haven't seen T'Challa use his claws much. The strongest things we've seen him cut through is the roof of a car.

Saying they'll easily shred Iron Man armour seems like a bit of a leap.


If you watch his fights against Thor, Ultron and Thanos (IW) he actually uses his ranged attacks a lot and uses his flight for hit and run attacks.



True but I really don't think it's enough to make up for Tony's huge strength advantage, flight advantage, overwhelming firepower and that "Friday analyse his fight patterns" trick.


T'Challa vs Avengers 1 Tony is already a one sided fight. If Tony has his Infinity War armour instead then T'Challa gets curbstomped.

That suit gave Thanos a respectable fight. The same Thanos that casually caught T'Challa mid leap and KO'd him with one punch.

You make a lot of good points - not so sure the Thanos comparison really works, given that Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet was mildly challenged by Tony, but Thanos without the gauntlet wiped the floor with Tony and Thor at the same time. In IW when Thanos closes with Tony and uses his strength and skill, rather than the gauntlet, he crushes Tony easily.


Would TChalla's punches hurt Tony.....probably not any more than Cap's but I think you're underestimating the claws.

While the BP suit has limits, it's going to stand up to Tony's weapons pretty well - Cap took point blank repulsor blasts and got knocked down and then got back up ( without a vibranium suit), similarly Tony punched him in the face a bunch of times and didn't look to be holding back. Tchalla and Cap are comparable and Cap went toe to toe with Ultron.

I think you are downplaying TChalla's physical and skill advantages- even with the IW suit this is not going to be a curb stomp.

Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Luigi]

This one is a bit tough. Tony and T'Challa both have impressive suits but they also have their limits. Have to go with Tony mainly for the flying advantage, but it could go either way.

 

[Docker2.0]

Depends on how the fight goes. Don't forget that T'Challa's claws are vibranium, and his jumping skills (not suit dependant) in Black Panther are pretty extreme. If Tony hangs back at maximum range and never lets him near, sure, but that's not how Tony works. He almost never fights that way. If he gets within 60 feet of Black Panther, I think there's a chance T'Challa starts getting some hits in and his hits are vibranium hits which should definitely be able to damage Tony's armor.

It's just that this is all dependant on Black Panther surviving long enough to actually make a fight of it. His Civil War suit wasn't capable of that level of protection, clearly. His Black Panther suit, though, has a real shot, imo, considering how many massive hits we've seen it take.

Hey man! Grow a sack and pick one!

 

[Docker2.0]

Right now it's 2-2 but Bayne holds the deciding vote.........but eh.........I'm moving on.

Next up:
The Amazing Spiderman

Vs the Red Skull

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Right now it's 2-2 but Bayne holds the deciding vote.........but eh.........I'm moving on.

Next up:
The Amazing Spiderman

Vs the Red Skull

Who you got peeps?

Spidey and it isn't close. If you mean "Amazing " Spider Man , then he's just too fast - Maguire would be much too strong and after FFH Holland Spidey shows some serious durability feats and of course the Peter Tingle. Even CW Holland Spidey would be a match for the Skull. Give the Skull some super weapons and it's a fight but in hand to hand Spidey is too strong, quick and tough.