MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Stormborn]

You guys suck. Dormammu wins. Next up:

Dormammu

vs Thanos with the gauntlet

Who you got peeps?

Technically, the "Thanos with the gauntlet" in that picture doesn't actually have any infinity stones (he's about to realise Tony stole them) so it's an easy win for Dormammu.

Thanos with the complete gauntlet could beat Dormammu though. If Dormammu doesn't disarm or insta-kill Thanos as soon as the fight starts then Thanos will snap. And we already know Dormammu isn't immune to the infinity stones.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Unlike Strange, this Thanos guy won't be prepared for Dormamomomomomo's sudden stabs.

DOOR MOUSE GUY* wins this one


*Name is a quote from LEGO Deadpool, best version of that character post Christopher Priest

 

[Batmannerism]

You guys suck. Dormammu wins. Next up:

Dormammu

vs Thanos with the gauntlet

Who you got peeps?

Difficult. Assuming the gauntlet has all six stones then it has access to the one force that Dormammu has no defence against- time.
I don't think that any other stone - mind, power, reality, space or soul would have much effect on Dormammu.

Could Thanos use the space stone to drag Dormammu out of the Dark Dimension?

Would a "snap" be powerful enough to destroy Dormammu? We have very little information about the extent of Dormammu's powers other than what he displayed in Dr Strange - including the ability to assimilate whole worlds into the Dark Dimension.

I suspect that a snap ( given the nearly limitless power of the stones) or clever use of the time stone could give Thanos the win.

I'll say Thanos wins 6/10, and Dormammu 4/10.

 

[jolldan]

I will have to say Dormammu again.


If these are anything to go by then there's a good chnace Thanos doesn't even get the opportunity to snap and with him not knowing Dormammu's weakness to the time stone it just seems chnaces are Thanos catches at least one fatal blow.

 

[Stormborn]

I will have to say Dormammu again.


If these are anything to go by then there's a good chnace Thanos doesn't even get the opportunity to snap and with him not knowing Dormammu's weakness to the time stone it just seems chnaces are Thanos catches at least one fatal blow.

Obliterating a human like Strange is one thing, obliterating Thanos is a different ballgame.

For me, the big unknowns here are:

• Is Dormammu powerful enough to quickly obliterate someone as durable as Thanos?
• Is a snap from Thanos with the gauntlet powerful enough to kill a godlike extra dimensional being?

I suspect the answer to both questions is yes but I'm leaning towards Thanos because:

• We already know Dormammu can be affected by the stones
• Dormammu might not realise Thanos is a major threat he has to kill immediately.
• We've seen Strange conjure shields which briefly held up against Dormammu's attacks. If he uses the same attacks here, Thanos could probably survive long enough to use the gauntlet.
• We know Thanos can use the gauntlet even when he's injured.

 

[Docker2.0]

Why do you guys keep saying the snap? The gauntlet does way more things besides that. He can alter reality around him and it should work in the dark dimension because the time stone worked there. Also using the time stone will allow him to have more time to prepare for his stabbing crap.

 

[Stormborn]

Why do you guys keep saying the snap? The gauntlet does way more things besides that. He can alter reality around him and it should work in the dark dimension because the time stone worked there. Also using the time stone will allow him to have more time to prepare for his stabbing crap.

Thanos can use the time stone as a trap but that's a stalemate, not a win.

The snaps killing/bringing back half of all life in the entire universe were by far the most powerful feats we've seen from the infinity stones. Logically it's Thanos' best chance of harming Dormammu.

Tearing apart a moon was impressive but the size of a moon is infinitesimal compared to the universe. And the other feats we've seen from the gauntlet aren't even on that level (warping reality in small areas, beam attacks that Thor, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Doctor Strange etc were able to survive).

 

[Docker2.0]

Thanos can use the time stone as a trap but that's a stalemate, not a win.

The snaps killing/bringing back half of all life in the entire universe were by far the most powerful feats we've seen from the infinity stones. Logically it's Thanos' best chance of harming Dormammu.

Other than that, tearing apart a moon was impressive but the size of a moon is infinitesimal compared to the universe. The other feats we've seen from the gauntlet aren't even on that level (warping reality in very small areas, beam attacks that Thor, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Doctor Strange etc were able to survive).

Or he can use the time stone to slow him down while he beats him or whatever you would do to him. The gauntlet does work in his dimension and Dormammu is not omnipotent.

 

[Stormborn]

Or he can use the time stone to slow him down while he beats him or whatever you would do to him.

Sure, the time stone can trap Dormammu or slow him down but it can't actually hurt him.

To defeat him, Thanos needs an attack powerful enough to take out a living dimension and the snap is the obvious choice. We know Thanos can affect an entire universe that way.

The attacks that Thor/Captain Marvel/Iron Man etc survived aren't going to do anything to Dormammu and even the gauntlet's best non-snap feat of tearing a moon apart is small scale when you're up against someone who steals planets as a hobby.

The gauntlet does work in his dimension and Dormammu is not omnipotent.

Dormammu isn't totally omnipotent but he's not far off. This is how Wong described him:

"He is the Cosmic Conqueror, the Destroyer of Worlds. A being of infinite power and endless hunger, on a quest to invade every universe and bring all worlds into his Dark Dimension. And he hungers for Earth most of all."

 

[Docker2.0]

 

[InCali]

Why do you guys keep saying the snap? The gauntlet does way more things besides that. He can alter reality around him and it should work in the dark dimension because the time stone worked there. Also using the time stone will allow him to have more time to prepare for his stabbing crap.

I say it because it’s funny. At least it is when I say it. I don’t know about these other guys and gals because they suck.

 

[Docker2.0]

I say it because it’s funny. At least it is when I say it. I don’t know about these other guys and gals because they suck.

 

[Batmannerism]

Why do you guys keep saying the snap? The gauntlet does way more things besides that. He can alter reality around him and it should work in the dark dimension because the time stone worked there. Also using the time stone will allow him to have more time to prepare for his stabbing crap.

@Stormborn explained it very well - and I second his reasoning. The snap is sufficiently powerful to wipe out trillions of beings across a nearly limitless distance - it's the one feat that the gauntlet has shown that could conceivably harm a being of Dormammu's power.

Sure, the time stone can trap Dormammu or slow him down but it can't actually hurt him.

To defeat him, Thanos needs an attack powerful enough to take out a living dimension and the snap is the obvious choice. We know Thanos can affect an entire universe that way.

The attacks that Thor/Captain Marvel/Iron Man etc survived aren't going to do anything to Dormammu and even the gauntlet's best non-snap feat of tearing a moon apart is small scale when you're up against someone who steals planets as a hobby.



Dormammu isn't totally omnipotent but he's not far off. This is how Wong described him:

"He is the Cosmic Conqueror, the Destroyer of Worlds. A being of infinite power and endless hunger, on a quest to invade every universe and bring all worlds into his Dark Dimension. And he hungers for Earth most of all."

I agree. MCU Dormammu is a cosmic entity who controls an entire dimension and can extend it into other realms. In the Dark Dimension he controls everything except time ( which doesn't really make sense, because if there's no time there than either nothing happens or everything happens at once).

Anyway, I can't see a being like that being troubled by a blast from.the power stone - sure it can lay waste to worlds but can it destroy something much bigger that captures whole worlds. Could the reality stone make a dent in him ? Maybe in the hands of Malekith, who was going to use it to extinguish all light in the universe, but could it work in the Dark Dimension ?

I don't see the mind or soul stone having much effect on Dormammu - and the only way the space stone could possibly harm him is to draw him out of the dark Dimension, if it even could.

Long story short IMO it would require at least the full power of the gauntlet to do Dormammu real harm.

 

[InCali]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

 

[InCali]

I wonder if we'll ever see The Living Tribunal or Eternity in MCU.....

 

[jolldan]

I wonder if we'll ever see The Living Tribunal or Eternity in MCU.....

I imagine there's a good chance with the next phase meant to be more on the cosmic side. Think how crazy powerful they've made CM say they introduce the likes of Silver Surfer & Nova at similar power levels then they will likely need to increase the threat level of characters they have to contend against.

 

[InCali]

I imagine there's a good chance with the next phase meant to be more on the cosmic side. Think how crazy powerful they've made CM say they introduce the likes of Silver Surfer & Nova at similar power levels then they will likely need to increase the threat level of characters they have to contend against.

I was thinking there is a good chance of at least a mention in The Eternals. There have been some references (I think) in MCU.

In the comics, anyway, Eternity is more powerful than Dormammu and Thanos defeated Eternity (which seemed weird to me). MCU Dormammu seems more threatening to me than comics Dormammu.

 

[Batmannerism]

I was thinking there is a good chance of at least a mention in The Eternals. There have been some references (I think) in MCU.

In the comics, anyway, Eternity is more powerful than Dormammu and Thanos defeated Eternity (which seemed weird to me). MCU Dormammu seems more threatening to me than comics Dormammu.

I too found MCU Dormammu much more menacing and powerful than the comic book version - the comic book version is very powerful but also has very human weaknesses such as egotism and pettiness. The MCU version seems cruel and avaricious but also more remote and alien than the comic book Dormammu.

 

[Stormborn]

I wonder if we'll ever see The Living Tribunal or Eternity in MCU.....

Didn't they make a throwaway reference to the Living Tribunal in Doctor Strange?

 

[HunBoy]

Original first appearance of Captain Marvel in Avengers Age Of Ultron.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Original first appearance of Captain Marvel in Avengers Age Of Ultron.

Another Carol?

 

[InCali]

Original first appearance of Captain Marvel in Avengers Age Of Ultron.

What's this???

 

[Docker2.0]

I like her more than I like Brie Larson....................like as in meaning I'd go all Hulk on her if you catch my drift...........

 

[Batmannerism]

Didn't they make a throwaway reference to the Living Tribunal in Doctor Strange?

Yup ! Mordor uses a stick he refers to as " The staff of the Living Tribunal" probably an overstatement as the Living Tribunal could blow up a galaxy by sneezing.

 

[InCali]

I like her more than I like Brie Larson....................like as in meaning I'd go all Hulk on her if you catch my drift...........

YOU.....You.....you....two timer you....I'm telling J.K. on you...