MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

I completely forgot Ghost Rider was in the MCU. If it ain't Blaze, it ain't the real one................but point taken. Next round...........................

 

[InCali]

The Ancient One wins. She has attacks that do not rely solely on physical power ( as the Hulk found out) and she is a more powerful and experienced sorcerer than Dr Strange.

She would immediately transfer the fight to the mirror Dimension, bend space and matter to completely confuse Thor, portal away Stormbreaker and turn him into a banana slug.....or something like that.

She also has access to Dark Dimension power, something Strange didn't have and is far more ruthless than Strange ( she doesn't have a hippocratic oath to give her any ethical qualms about killing opponents, which she does with Kaecillius' acolytes).

The AO also carried the time stone, and if she's got that then this one is over before it starts.

People on this thread seem to have a view that sheer might always prevails -it often does, but not always, and we can find plenty of examples where a more powerful MCU character is defeated by a weaker one or a character who doesn't rely on pure physical might. There's almost no way that someone like Daredevil or Hawkeye could beat Stormbreaker Thor, but this isn't one of those contests.


Is Thor much much more physically powerful than AO, absolutely and if she engages in hand to hand, with weapons or not, or even a battle of spell power against Thor's lightning she's probably dead meat.

However, she's way too smart for that, and while Thor is skillful in battle he's not that smart.....otherwise he would have gone for the head.

Given her immense variety of powers and smarts I give AO this fight 8/10 times and Thor 2/10.

I happen to be a UC Santa Cruz alumnus and know first hand how ferocious an angered Banana Slug can be. If she were to use that spell, it would be her last.

 

[Docker2.0]

I happen to be a UC Santa Cruz alumnus and know first hand how ferocious an angered Banana Slug can be. If she were to use that spell, it would be her last.

 

[InCali]

I vote no on yes and say No to Rugs. I hate rugs.

Thor gets turned into a Banana Slug and eats the Ancient One.

 

[Batmannerism]

I vote no on yes and say No to Rugs. I hate rugs.

Thor gets turned into a Banana Slug and eats the Ancient One.

Now that's controversial indeed - Thor, Frog of Thunder, sold a few issues back in the 80s, I wonder how " Thor, Banana Slug of Thunder" would do.

 

[Docker2.0]

Thor wins 3-1. Next up we have a requested match.
Thor

vs Ghost Rider

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Assuming the fight occurs at night, with GR at full power.....Ghost Rider.

Thor is a god ( although Odin said straight up " We are not gods" ). While very, very, very tough he can be killed and has a physical body ( so really he's just a very tough mortal ) although he can be KO'd by sufficient force and seriously wounded by Asgardian ( like Loki's daggers) mystical ( like Hela's death blades) advanced weaponry ( like Valkyrie's control discs).

Ghost Rider is a spirit or a demon or something pretty nasty I doubt Thor could permanently destroy him - although maybe temporarily incapacitate him.

GR's attacks can be both physical and spiritual ( the penance stare). I don't think Thor would be harmed by the state, but hellfire doesn't just rely on heat to burn people ( so it's different to Thor resisting the heat of a star). Don't think Hellfire would incinerate Thor but might hurt him.

Also, would GR be harmed by Thor's lightning, maybe not. The GR hellfire cycle can do a lot of crazy stuff- so Thor might not have as much of a mobility advantage as usual.

What Thor might be able to use - and hasn't since his first film is his weather control power to generate a cyclone or hurricane to disorient GR and land some heavy blows.

Given that it's unclear whether Stormbreaker could actually kill GR - although I suspect it could temporarily harm him - I give this one to GR with a combination of Hellfire and a nasty beatdown with the hell-chain.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Thor defeated Surtur, guess who I'm not voting for this round.

 

[Batmannerism]

Thor defeated Surtur, guess who I'm not voting for this round.

Thor did not defeat Surtur, or even try to. Surtur fulfilled his prophecy and blew himself up in satisfaction along with Asgard. Unless he survived and is now chilling out somewhere waiting for another prophecy to come along - probably playing sudoku or catching up on Netflix shows.

 

[Stormborn]

I think this might be a stalemate.

Durability:

• MCU Ghost Rider survived a nuke (although the explosion was off screen so he may have been KO'd), shrugged off being impaled multiple times and lethal radiation and was completely unharmed by Quake's shockwaves and Aida's electricity blasts.
• Classic MCU Thor (AKA pre-Ragnarok with Mjolnir) survived the explosion that disintegrated Sokovia and has taken hits from Ultron, Hulk and Reality Stone Malekith and walked away with only cuts and bruises. He survived Surtur's flames (although he did partially deflect them with Mjolnir) and he was completely unharmed by 400% Iron Man. He did get beaten half to death by Kurse though.

Attack Power

• MCU Ghost Rider easily destroyed bulletproof Life Model Decoys, including Aida even after she'd replicated the powers of various inhumans. He punched his way out of a SHIELD containment cell which we're told shouldn't be possible. Jeffrey Mace (Director of SHIELD/super soldier) survived a beating from him but he may have been holding back since Mace didn't deserve to die.
• Classic MCU Thor could charge Mjolnir with lightning and hit hard enough to destroy Sokovia and the Frost Giant palace. He's killed multiple Chitauri leviathans with one lightning blast, his hits with Mjolnir have staggered/ragdolled Hulk and reality stone Malekith and destroyed Surtur.

By feats, there's no evidence Ghost Rider hits as hard as reality stone Malekith/Hulk/Ultron, never mind Kurse so Thor should be able to tank GR's attacks.

Meanwhile Thor is a heavy hitter but I'm not sure he's powerful enough to KO someone who survived a nuke.

GR's attacks can be both physical and spiritual ( the penance stare)....the GR hellfire cycle can do a lot of crazy stuff- so Thor might not have as much of a mobility advantage as usual.

The MCU Ghost Rider (Robbie Reyes) drives a Dodge Charger and we've never seen him use the penance stare. Which version are you thinking of?

It's unclear whether Stormbreaker could actually kill GR - although I suspect it could temporarily harm him

Hard to say (we've seen GR survive being impaled but not full blown decapitation or anything like that) but this version of Thor doesn't have Stormbreaker anyway.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Thor did not defeat Surtur, or even try to. Surtur fulfilled his prophecy and blew himself up in satisfaction along with Asgard. Unless he survived and is now chilling out somewhere waiting for another prophecy to come along - probably playing sudoku or catching up on Netflix shows.

Thor took his head home with him after severing it, Loki had to put it in the flames to make him distract Hela so Asgradians can escape her.

 

[Batmannerism]

Thor took his head home with him after severing it, Loki had to put it in the flames to make him distract Hela so Asgradians can escape her.

True, but that was old man, over the hill Surtur with really bad arthritis..... Thor couldn't even annoy eternal flame steroid Surtur.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think this might be a stalemate.

Durability:

• MCU Ghost Rider survived a nuke (although the explosion was off screen so he may have been KO'd), shrugged off being impaled multiple times and lethal radiation and was completely unharmed by Quake's shockwaves and Aida's electricity blasts.
• Classic MCU Thor (AKA pre-Ragnarok with Mjolnir) survived the explosion that disintegrated Sokovia and has taken hits from Ultron, Hulk and Reality Stone Malekith and walked away with only cuts and bruises. He survived Surtur's flames (although he did partially deflect them with Mjolnir) and he was completely unharmed by 400% Iron Man. He did get beaten half to death by Kurse though.

Attack Power

• MCU Ghost Rider easily destroyed bulletproof Life Model Decoys, including Aida even after she'd replicated the powers of various inhumans. He punched his way out of a SHIELD containment cell which we're told shouldn't be possible. Jeffrey Mace (Director of SHIELD/super soldier) survived a beating from him but he may have been holding back since Mace didn't deserve to die.
• Classic MCU Thor could charge Mjolnir with lightning and hit hard enough to destroy Sokovia and the Frost Giant palace. He's killed multiple Chitauri leviathans with one lightning blast, his hits with Mjolnir have staggered/ragdolled Hulk and reality stone Malekith and destroyed Surtur.

By feats, there's no evidence Ghost Rider hits as hard as reality stone Malekith/Hulk/Ultron, never mind Kurse so Thor should be able to tank GR's attacks.

Meanwhile Thor is a heavy hitter but I'm not sure he's powerful enough to KO someone who survived a nuke.



The MCU Ghost Rider (Robbie Reyes) drives a Dodge Charger and we've never seen him use the penance stare. Which version are you thinking of?


Hard to say (we've seen GR survive being impaled but not full blown decapitation or anything like that) but this version of Thor doesn't have Stormbreaker anyway.

You just can't see Thor losing can you?

 

[Stormborn]

There are a number of very staunch Thor fans around who seem pretty tough to convince that Thor could lose a fight against anyone under any circumstances, ever.

You just can't see Thor losing can you?

Thor is near the top of the food chain but I don't think he's unbeatable.

Classic Thor with Mjolnir is roughly in the same league as Hulk and Vision. He isn't as strong as Ultron or as powerful as Reality Stone Malekith but could put up a good fight. He wouldn't stand a chance against Kurse, Captain Marvel, Thanos or Hela.

Stormbreaker Thor is more powerful. I'd say he's roughly on par with Captain Marvel and Thanos and might stand a chance against Hela. He still isn't as powerful as Dormammu, Surtur Prime, Ego, Thanos with the gauntlet or Odin.

And then there are a fair few other characters who I wouldn't bet on against Thor (not counting the fat drunk from Endgame) but who definitely have ways of beating him:

• Scarlet Witch could beat Thor if she gets ruthless with telekinesis and/or uses her telepathy
• Loki could control Thor with the mind stone sceptre if he can get close enough to use it.
• Valkyrie can take out Thor with the grandmaster's control discs.
• Ancient One can one hit KO if she can get close enough to punch his spirit out of his body
• Doctor Strange can win if he gets ruthless with the time stone and/or portal cuts

And finally there's Ghost Rider, who weirdly combines insane durability (so Thor probably can't hurt him) with fairly weak punches and flame attacks (so he probably can't hurt Thor).

 

[InCali]

Thor cause he’s, like, all, y’know, Mighty and $#!t like that. Plus, and I’m going to go all Reek on everyone, I started reading Norse mythology when I was 8 and that’s what’s most important

 

[Iceman]

Does this fight occur at night?

Good point @Batmannerism

 

[Stormborn]

Does this fight occur at night?

Good point @Batmannerism

Like I said to @Batmannerism this is MCU Ghost Rider. He drives a car, hasn't used the penance stare on screen and his powers don't seem to be affected by the time of day.

His feats surviving the nuke and shrugging off being impaled were actually in the middle of the day.

 

[Luigi]

Ghost Rider

Ridiculously durable and I doubt that Thor would be able to keep him down permanently. Stormbreaker is a beastly weapon but it wouldn't be enough to accomplish the job.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm going Thor..............leaving us with a 2-2 tie. Next up:

Black Panther and Captain America

vs Venom

Who you got peeps?

 

[InCali]

BP and CA. I always pick CA because I live there. I don’t even know where the hell BP is. I’m not sure which venom you’re talking about though. Although, to be fair, I never know what you’re talking about.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Hardy's Venom is a tough egg to break, the noise T'Challa can make won't cut it with this one.

I vote for VENOM, begrudgingly.

 

[Docker2.0]

BP and CA. I always pick CA because I live there. I don’t even know where the hell BP is. I’m not sure which venom you’re talking about though. Although, to be fair, I never know what you’re talking about.

California sucks!

 

[Batmannerism]

Solid Vibranium shield and a vibranium suit that creates a vibratory pulse - if Cap and BP work out Venom's weakness to vibratory attacks then he's toast because they'll separate Eddie from the symbiote and he's finished.

If they don't, then Venom probably kills them.

So I'll say Venom 6/10, Cap and BP 4/10.

If Venom fought Cap and Thor they could probably end it in one shot using the tactic - hammer on Caps shield - they used to take out the Hydr base tank in A of U.

 

[InCali]

California sucks!

 

[jolldan]

Cap is just one bite or slash from being maimed to the point where he's more of a liability than a help.

And without specifically knowing Venom's weakness I can see him getting hold of T'Challa and getting a piece of that armour off.

Venom for the win.