MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

Star-lord is a tactical genius? What? Dude 'plans' by the seat of his pants (and is directly responsible for giving Thanos the win on Titan as a result). And almost all of his real tactical accomplishments were planned by Rocket or Gamora. Punisher is actually a smart tactical fighter, not Quill.

Granted, Punisher's weapons are nothing compared to what Quill has and Quill's boots let him fly, too, so Quill still has the advantage here. If Frank had the luxury of planning ahead, he would probably find a way to get his hands on some of Peter's weapons (or just to shoot him in the head before he knew he was there - Quill is not exactly observant, either). In a fair fight, though, better tech will usually beat out better tactical instincts - especially with those rocket boots, flying is too big of an advantage - so Quill probably wins 6/10.

This I agree with and I LOVE Starlord but if you look at his life in the MCU, he survives by the skin of his teeth. The thing about the Punisher is that he shoots to kill 99% of the time. He will NOT hold back against Quill, who is still half human and a bullet will kill him.

 

[Batmannerism]

This I agree with and I LOVE Starlord but if you look at his life in the MCU, he survives by the skin of his teeth. The thing about the Punisher is that he shoots to kill 99% of the time. He will NOT hold back against Quill, who is still half human and a bullet will kill him.

Quill got the drop on Spider Man and Iron Man at the same time. Nuff said.

 

[Luigi]

Starlord

Much craftier and has better tech at his disposal. Now if it was hand to hand without any weapons, Frank would have him beat handily.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Star-lord is a tactical genius? What? Dude 'plans' by the seat of his pants (and is directly responsible for giving Thanos the win on Titan as a result). And almost all of his real tactical accomplishments were planned by Rocket or Gamora. Punisher is actually a smart tactical fighter, not Quill.

Starlord directed Gamora to where she should stab the giant worm to kill it, and he never got his foot drilled.

Punisher got hospitalized at least three times, is overly paranoid, and still eventually lost consciousness after losing to Daredevil and keeping him tied for quite some time. Plus, StarLord managed to evade capture from powerful aliens while Frank was captured by the Irish, cause he was out unarmed.

Sorry, but Frank loses there.

 

[InCali]

Star-lord is a tactical genius? What? Dude 'plans' by the seat of his pants (and is directly responsible for giving Thanos the win on Titan as a result). And almost all of his real tactical accomplishments were planned by Rocket or Gamora. Punisher is actually a smart tactical fighter, not Quill.

Granted, Punisher's weapons are nothing compared to what Quill has and Quill's boots let him fly, too, so Quill still has the advantage here. If Frank had the luxury of planning ahead, he would probably find a way to get his hands on some of Peter's weapons (or just to shoot him in the head before he knew he was there - Quill is not exactly observant, either). In a fair fight, though, better tech will usually beat out better tactical instincts - especially with those rocket boots, flying is too big of an advantage - so Quill probably wins 6/10.

I agree Quill isn't the long term tactical guy......the guy with a plan, so to speak. His idea of a "plan" is that it shouldn't suck. Rocket is actually the tactician. What Quill excels at is finding an effective solution by the seat of his pants. He's really, really smart in a kind of survivalist way. He still wins.

 

[InCali]

This I agree with and I LOVE Starlord but if you look at his life in the MCU, he survives by the skin of his teeth. The thing about the Punisher is that he shoots to kill 99% of the time. He will NOT hold back against Quill, who is still half human and a bullet will kill him.

You aren't getting a tie unless you vote like 10 times......and I wouldn't put it past you.

 

[ernesth100]

StarLord wins more often than not. But it's not an unfair match up. I'd say 6/10 and the few times he loses is where he underestimated frank and gets a hole in his chest or takes off his helmet and gets a hole in his head.

 

[Docker2.0]

Starlord directed Gamora to where she should stab the giant worm to kill it, and he never got his foot drilled.

Punisher got hospitalized at least three times, is overly paranoid, and still eventually lost consciousness after losing to Daredevil and keeping him tied for quite some time. Plus, StarLord managed to evade capture from powerful aliens while Frank was captured by the Irish, cause he was out unarmed.

Sorry, but Frank loses there.

 

[Docker2.0]

You aren't getting a tie unless you vote like 10 times......and I wouldn't put it past you.

 

[Docker2.0]

Starlord wins. Next up:

Starlord

Vs Captain America

Who you got peeps?

 

[ernesth100]

Oh definitely Cap. AoU Cap has the magnetic shield straps too. So it's gonna be hard to separate it from him.

Also if Cap gets a hold of Quill a few good hits are gonna down the guy. We're talking about the same guy who took just kicked a truck into another guy.

 

[Docker2.0]

Oh definitely Cap. AoU Cap has the magnetic shield straps too. So it's gonna be hard to separate it from him.

Also if Cap gets a hold of Quill a few good hits are gonna down the guy. We're talking about the same guy who took just kicked a truck into another guy.

It was just said above that Starlord took down Spiderman, Ironman and Dr Strange but he can't take down Cap?!

 

[InCali]

It was just said above that Starlord took down Spiderman, Ironman and Dr Strange but he can't take down Cap?!

CAPTAIN AMERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRICA.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't think I've seen Captain America got zapped in these films. I'll still give the edge to STARLORD, unless Steve manages to hit Peter's exposed face to his vibranium Frisbee.

 

[Docker2.0]

I don't think I've seen Captain America got zapped in these films. I'll still give the edge to STARLORD, unless Steve manages to hit Peter's exposed face to his vibranium Frisbee.

 

[InCali]

I don't think I've seen Captain America got zapped in these films. I'll still give the edge to STARLORD, unless Steve manages to hit Peter's exposed face to his vibranium Frisbee.

Traitor......

 

[Luigi]

It was just said above that Starlord took down Spiderman, Ironman and Dr Strange but he can't take down Cap?!

The shield makes a world of a difference. Also, he punched Hitler over 200 times.

Cap

 

[Batmannerism]

Starlord wins. Next up:

Starlord

Vs Captain America

Who you got peeps?

Cap, no question 10/10 times.
Star Lord is at a huge physical disadvantage and they're at least equal as tacticians.

This stuff about Star Lord Taking down Dr Strange, SpiderMan and Iron Man is vastly overstating the events of Infinity War, he got the drop on them, and definitely stalemated SpiderMan- but Iron Man was only slowed down by him for a moment.

Cap took full on punches from Iron Man and repulsors at point blank range, and still managed to disable his armour.

One front kick from Cap would flatten StarLord.

 

[metaphysician]

Starlord vs Captain America:

I'm pretty sure this one has come up before. Cap still takes it. Peter Quill is smart, fast, and skilled, but Steve is *also* all of those things, and he also has a major physical advantage. Peter has various gadgets and weapons, but ultimately a whole lot of them boil down to "That would be really useful if Steve didn't have an indestructible shield to block them, or reflect them right back in my face".

 

[Fosterson]

We need a match-up with Vision after those sweet new feats he got in WandaVision's last episode.

I honestly think he's Thor-tier now.

 

[Bayne]

Sorry for distracting from the current match-up but talking about the final episode of WandaVision reminded me of this:

next up:
Viewer requested match:

Dr. Strange

vs Scarlett Witch
Who you got peeps?

I think in raw power Wanda seems stronger right now - though I can't entirely be certain that that impression isn't colored by my comic book knowledge that her power is literally unlimited even though that hasn't featured yet in the films. And Strange's power is also incredible even without the time stone.

So I have to agree, as things stand today, this has to come down to either luck or skill/who has their head in the game and those aspects are unquestionably tilted toward Strange.

But really, I gotta say this match-up feels heavily premature. I'd really like to revisit this one after we've seen WandaVision and Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. I think those will likely have massive influence on this match-up.

And I felt it worthwhile to add this point retroactively -

Spoiler

'The Scarlet Witch' is explicitly/canonically more powerful than 'The Sorceror Supreme' now. Very interesting.

Can't wait to see what new wrinkles the Multiverse of Madness has in store.

 

[Bayne]

Also, Captain America beats Star-lord easily.

 

[Fosterson]

And I felt it worthwhile to add this point retroactively -

Spoiler

'The Scarlet Witch' is explicitly/canonically more powerful than 'The Sorceror Supreme' now. Very interesting.

Can't wait to see what new wrinkles the Multiverse of Madness has in store.

Absolutely. Although you could argue that

Spoiler

since Wanda still hasn't fully mastered her powers, she would lose to Strange for the time being, due to him being more knowledgeable about the nature of magic.

 

[Luigi]

Sorry for distracting from the current match-up but talking about the final episode of WandaVision reminded me of this:





And I felt it worthwhile to add this point retroactively -

Spoiler

'The Scarlet Witch' is explicitly/canonically more powerful than 'The Sorceror Supreme' now. Very interesting.

Can't wait to see what new wrinkles the Multiverse of Madness has in store.

Spoiler

Yeah, we need to have a rematch between Wanda and Doctor Strange now that she's become the Scarlet Witch..

 

[Docker2.0]

You guys suck! All of you!!

........except Spider Aziz. He's aight in my book. Next up:

White Vision

vs Agatha Harkness

Who you got peeps?