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The Flag Smashers also outnumbered Sam and Bucky, and we don't actually know how trained they were. It's not a contradiction for one outdated, long out of practice supersoldier who clearly let himself go a lot during his years rotting in prison to be less effective than a group of young, modern supersoldiers in their prime.
It is true that he did let himself go, and we don't know how much training the Flag Smashers had - although it didn't seem like much.
I still struggle to believe that even with such a long period of inactivity a highly trained operative, with superhuman strength and speed performed so poorly against a more skillfull but much smaller, lighter and physically weaker opponent.
It is also true that Sam and Bucky were outnumbered, but given Bucky's previous performances against Steve, it's not a stretch to suggest he could have beaten all of them, having Sam there was just overkill.
In any case, you're not changing your mind and you're definitely not changing mine. And as far as an actual serious attempt at logical debate goes, '****ty writing' is a copout argument that could be made by anyone against any character or scene they don't like. And even if we were trying to find some form of consensus among a lot of people, I'm pretty sure - given how people still look down on them - that the Hand would still be on the ****ty writing list alongside Red Guardian.
Just like good writing, ****ty writing is a thing.
There are personal opinions: if you enjoyed the depiction of Red Guardian and disliked the Hand, well that's up to you. But some writing choices are much easier to argue as being stronger than others.
Writers and directors make decisions about how the events onscreen play out. Sometimes those decisions make sense and are clever ( like Cap being massively outmatched by Thanos, but being able to go toe to toe with him by wielding Mjolnir).
However, Red Guardian is explicitly played for laughs which is an odd choice, given that it totally contradicts everything we see about him in the opening of the film.
In contrast, The Hand are taken completely seriously as deadly adversaries - it is Matt's super senses and skills, plus a lot of help from Elektra, and even an assist from the Punisher that allow him to overcome them.
I would argue that this because the DD show was better written than Black Widow.
It's the story itself that gave me the impression Stick demanded Matt devote his entire life to training, meaning Matt had to start his normal adult life after he quit.
Don't remember.
But all of them are there to be ripped apart at the speed of the plot.
Yes, you can make some account for them being intended to have more strength or skill or less (though even if you do it's entirely ridiculous to claim that Ninjas are the highest/most dangerous possible form of generic goon in a universe full of high tech, superstrong aliens). But you can also account for the same thing for a character like Red Guardian, who is no more unimpressive than the generic goons and who is also very explicitly supposed to have that superstrength.
How that reads is that Red Guardian is equivalent to a generic goon. You were the one who said that generic goons are generic goons - which I have demonstrated is incorrect.
I would agree that Ninjas are probably not the most powerful generic goons in the MCU - in fact I dont believe I said that at all.
What I did say was that given their performance
against DD and Elektra, compared to many of the other generic goons ( e.g. the Tracksuit mafia vs Hawkeye) they pose a much more serious threat to the main characters.
You don't get to have it both ways. Either neither of them are worth taking into account because they're fundamentally unimpressive in fact or both of them are for the underlying concepts of the relative strength/skill levels we know they're supposed to have.
You misunderstand.
Generic goons serve a particular purpose in the story within which they exist: usually to provide a degree of threat/challenge to the heroes. However, they generally pose a lot less threat than the main villains.
My point, is that if you remove them from their particular stories so that they no longer have to serve a story purpose, there is a huge difference between them. This is because the generic goons - which is a misnomer really, because generic suggests they're all the same, which is untrue- how about "anonymous henchmen." instead.
You literally said, above:
Generic goons are generic goons, be they Ninja, Alien, Hydra or Tracksuit Maffia.
However, I suggest that a Cadre of ninja or squad of Chitauri are not equivalent to the Tracksuit mafia. How long do you think the Tracksuits would last in a fight against the Hand or Chitauri ?
Then you would lose your money.Are you seriously claiming you'd be happier with the movie if it was a visual lock? Because I'd bet money on the opposite.
If you're going to assume that a cold can disrupt the pheromone lock (which isn't really a reasonable assumption for a fake sci-fi technology that can't work in reality no matter what), then we also have to assume that a visual lock could be disrupted by:
- eye disease
- a dark room
- a blindfold
- infrared/night vision
- beer goggles
- heavy crying
- Dreykov's face swelling up
- putting a mask or a bag over Dreykov's head
- literally just closing your eyes
And since the red room is supposed to make the best assassins in the world, I'm pretty sure they're capable enough to find and stab a target in the dark. And it would be hilariously absurd to suggest they're unable to point a gun and close their eyes right before they pull the trigger.
You can make all of those assumptions and it still makes the pheromone lock much easier to circumvent.
Eyesight is the primary sense for human beings, it's how we navigate our world.
Try hitting, stabbing or shooting someone with your eyes closed. Then try the same thing with a blocked nose. Which do you think would be easier? I've never tried shooting with my eyes closed, but it wasn't easy even with them open. Ive never tried to stab anyone, so I can't speak to that, but I've fought people without being able to see them properly, it wasn't easy.
As good as the Black Widows are, not being able to see a target would make it much more difficult to kill them, than merely not being able to smell them.
Of course it would hurt like hell and make her less effective. That's kind of the point of a heroic sacrifice in fiction.
And I don't think Nat is all that concerned about 'less effective' when the target is a single arrogant old guy in a chair who relied on the false assumption she would be physically unable to hurt him.
If that works for you, fair enough. Although she perfectly reconfigures her nose immediately afterwards, don't know if her sense of smell ever returned.