MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

Black Panther vs the Mandarin:

Black Panther every time, because the Mandarin doesn't exist.

Black Panther vs Wenwu:

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Black Panther doesn't know the technique required to take away the rings/bracelets, and their powers will easily nullify that of vibranium.


WENWU



You think Hulk vs Ant-Man could be more of a challenge?

 

[Docker2.0]

Black Panther doesn't know the technique required to take away the rings/bracelets, and their powers will easily nullify that of vibranium.


WENWU



You think Hulk vs Ant-Man could be more of a challenge?

Antman is tricky. I wanted to do that but I saw how Antman just stepped on Cull Obsidian so not sure how that would work. But if you want to we can do that next............

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Antman is tricky. I wanted to do that but I saw how Antman just stepped on Cull Obsidian so not sure how that would work. But if you want to we can do that next............

That should be fun, thanks.

 

[Luigi]

Does a KO count as a win? T'Challa got launched by a rhino and was knocked unconscious.

If so, then Wenwu wins this one since he should hit a lot harder than a vibranium rhino.

 

[Batmannerism]

Have to say Wenwu 9/10. More than 10x as old as Tchalla with literally centuries of fighting skill and experience. The Ten Rings are powerful enough to kill a discount-Cthulhu, so I can't see Tchalla's suit standing up to that kind of firepower.

 

[Docker2.0]

Have to say Wenwu 9/10. More than 10x as old as Tchalla with literally centuries of fighting skill and experience. The Ten Rings are powerful enough to kill a discount-Cthulhu, so I can't see Tchalla's suit standing up to that kind of firepower.

This was the same argument I used as to why he would beat bleeding armor Ironman. I really think the rings give him an edge over him.

 

[Batmannerism]

This was the same argument I used as to why he would beat bleeding armor Ironman. I really think the rings give him an edge over him.

My theory is that the rings are Celestial technology, so they could be billions of years old.

 

[Batmannerism]

This was the same argument I used as to why he would beat bleeding armor Ironman. I really think the rings give him an edge over him.

You know, given that the Bleeding Edge armour stood up to Thanos, with 4 Infinity stones, I still give Tony the edge.

The Rings don't make you invulnerable, or as mobile as the armour's flight systems. Could Wenwu beat Tony, probably but in 10 fights I feel like Tony would win 6 or 7 of them at least.

 

[metaphysician]

Does a KO count as a win? T'Challa got launched by a rhino and was knocked unconscious.

If so, then Wenwu wins this one since he should hit a lot harder than a vibranium rhino.

It would be kind of stupid if a KO *didn't* count as a win. If the opponent is no longer able to fight because, due to the actions of their foe? That's a win, whether its due to death, knockout, disabling injury or ailment, some kind of lasting immobilization, or whatever. If someone wants to argue otherwise, that's fine, but they'd better present some really compelling argument for why a ten count shouldn't matter.

 

[metaphysician]

This was the same argument I used as to why he would beat bleeding armor Ironman. I really think the rings give him an edge over him.

Eh, this, I can't really agree with. Yes, the rings were used to kill Discount Cthulhu, but put bluntly, Bleeding Edge Iron Man would be a more threatening foe than Discount Cthulhu. Even setting aside ambiguous elements of strength and durability ( because its tough to measure how powerful the Dweller-in-Darkness is when its only comparable foe was another only-appeared-once-no-feats dragon )? Iron Man is a *vastly* more mobile target. Even if the rings could theoretically be used to do a big Wave Motion Cannon attack that could take out Iron Man, you have to be able to set up and land said attack, and I just don't see that happening. And even against the Dweller-in-Darkness ( a much easier target to attack, what with being the size of a small mountain ), Shang-Chi needed aid to distract and occupy the D-in-D in order to finish him off.

Edit:

So, could either Shang-Chi or Wenwu take on Iron Man? Depends on the armor. As a rough guestimate, I'd say they would win fairly easily against anything up to the Mark 5 in Iron Man 2, definitely lose to anything post-Civil War, and in between it varies a lot but generally isn't great news for Team Kung Fu.

 

[Docker2.0]

Eh, this, I can't really agree with. Yes, the rings were used to kill Discount Cthulhu, but put bluntly, Bleeding Edge Iron Man would be a more threatening foe than Discount Cthulhu. Even setting aside ambiguous elements of strength and durability ( because its tough to measure how powerful the Dweller-in-Darkness is when its only comparable foe was another only-appeared-once-no-feats dragon )? Iron Man is a *vastly* more mobile target. Even if the rings could theoretically be used to do a big Wave Motion Cannon attack that could take out Iron Man, you have to be able to set up and land said attack, and I just don't see that happening. And even against the Dweller-in-Darkness ( a much easier target to attack, what with being the size of a small mountain ), Shang-Chi needed aid to distract and occupy the D-in-D in order to finish him off.

Edit:

So, could either Shang-Chi or Wenwu take on Iron Man? Depends on the armor. As a rough guestimate, I'd say they would win fairly easily against anything up to the Mark 5 in Iron Man 2, definitely lose to anything post-Civil War, and in between it varies a lot but generally isn't great news for Team Kung Fu.

You never agree with me.......

 

[Docker2.0]

Wenwu wins. Next up:

The Antman

Vs The Incredible Hulk

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Batmannerism]

Eh, this, I can't really agree with. Yes, the rings were used to kill Discount Cthulhu, but put bluntly, Bleeding Edge Iron Man would be a more threatening foe than Discount Cthulhu. Even setting aside ambiguous elements of strength and durability ( because its tough to measure how powerful the Dweller-in-Darkness is when its only comparable foe was another only-appeared-once-no-feats dragon )? Iron Man is a *vastly* more mobile target. Even if the rings could theoretically be used to do a big Wave Motion Cannon attack that could take out Iron Man, you have to be able to set up and land said attack, and I just don't see that happening. And even against the Dweller-in-Darkness ( a much easier target to attack, what with being the size of a small mountain ), Shang-Chi needed aid to distract and occupy the D-in-D in order to finish him off.

Edit:

So, could either Shang-Chi or Wenwu take on Iron Man? Depends on the armor. As a rough guestimate, I'd say they would win fairly easily against anything up to the Mark 5 in Iron Man 2, definitely lose to anything post-Civil War, and in between it varies a lot but generally isn't great news for Team Kung Fu.

There are two main reasons that Discount Cthulhu and his mini- me minions posed such a big threat 1) that they had an esoteric attack ( soul sucking) which would probably bypass Tony's technology.

2) They could only be killed by "plus one" weapons ( as in the old D&D trope of monsters who could only be harmed by magic weapons).
I mean, an arrow shot by Awkwafina significantly distracted Discount Cthulhu, which makes no sense on a bunch of levels, but whatever, maybe the bow was magic too.

Would Tony's repulsor blasts count ? Not sure.

As for Wenwu or Shang Chi vs Iron Man..... Tony has a huge mobility advantage but the 10 rings have a magical " do whatever the plot requires" aspect to them. How did they keep Shang hovering while they were inside Discount Cthulhu ? Don't know.

Assuming that nobody has plot armour and the story is being written by somebody reasonably objective, I would suggest that Tony has a couple of attacks, which if employed ruthlessly, could bypass the rings - mostly missiles and explosives, which have an area effect or his cutting laser which should slice off a limb very easily.

In a war of attrition Iron Man's problem is that his weapons rely on a power source which appears to be finite, or ammunition - which runs out. In contrast, the rings appear to have a limitless energy supply.

I would think the Bleeding Edge armour or maybe Hulkbuster with its raw power could overwhelm Wu or Sean, but otherwise the rings would be too much.

 

[Batmannerism]

Wenwu wins. Next up:

The Antman

Vs The Incredible Hulk

Who you got peeps?!

Well, in "What If" evil Hank Pym took out the Hulk, who doesn't have the same instant healing power that he does in the comics.

If Scott is allowed to be utterly ruthless he could use the same tactics. If Scott tries to beat Hulk using Giant Man.....he's dead meat.

I'll say Scott 6/10, because Hulk threatens someone he cares about.

Could be a tie - because Scott is willing to sacrifice himself ( e.g. shrinking to quantum levels) in order to defeat an enemy who threatens someone he cares about.

For now I'll say Scott.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Thanks for using this idea.


As for the big guy vs the tiny guy

Scott won't be able to pierce Bruce's body and throw an enlargement disc on his heart, not sure he'd want to.

Ant-Man will enter Hulk's ear to yell, ol' jade jaws will smack his ear to get him out, keep him in his hand, and shout a very loud shout that blows wind really hard on Scott it blows him away.


I'm going with HULK

 

[metaphysician]

There are two main reasons that Discount Cthulhu and his mini- me minions posed such a big threat 1) that they had an esoteric attack ( soul sucking) which would probably bypass Tony's technology.

2) They could only be killed by "plus one" weapons ( as in the old D&D trope of monsters who could only be harmed by magic weapons).
I mean, an arrow shot by Awkwafina significantly distracted Discount Cthulhu, which makes no sense on a bunch of levels, but whatever, maybe the bow was magic too.

Would Tony's repulsor blasts count ? Not sure.

As for Wenwu or Shang Chi vs Iron Man..... Tony has a huge mobility advantage but the 10 rings have a magical " do whatever the plot requires" aspect to them. How did they keep Shang hovering while they were inside Discount Cthulhu ? Don't know.

Assuming that nobody has plot armour and the story is being written by somebody reasonably objective, I would suggest that Tony has a couple of attacks, which if employed ruthlessly, could bypass the rings - mostly missiles and explosives, which have an area effect or his cutting laser which should slice off a limb very easily.

In a war of attrition Iron Man's problem is that his weapons rely on a power source which appears to be finite, or ammunition - which runs out. In contrast, the rings appear to have a limitless energy supply.

I would think the Bleeding Edge armour or maybe Hulkbuster with its raw power could overwhelm Wu or Sean, but otherwise the rings would be too much.

A lot of these are true, I just think they won't really matter all that much in the end in a fight between, say. . . Tony Stark in the Mk 7 Avengers suit vs Wenwu. Wenwu has options, but they follow a general trend of "physical or lightning attacks that emanate from me, mostly within a fairly limited range". Could he block or parry an explosive missile? Sure. However, Tony has a *lot* of missiles in his suit, amongst other things. I don't see Wenwu doing great against a full Macross Missile Massacre, and that would be just one attack option of several, all coming from way beyond his effective engagement range. He could try to attack back, but that won't get him very far at range ( and note, even the Mk 4 suitcase armor was already capable of mostly shrugging off attacks that could slice clean through a metal car like a lightsaber ).

Anyway, Ant-Man vs Hulk? I give it to Ant-Man. Its not really a matter of how bricky Ant-Man is at giant sized. Its more a matter that Ant-Man explicitly has shrink-attacks. . . and while the Hawkeye TV show suggests that at some point along the line Dr Pym worked out how to make offensive shrinking less of a death sentence, an inch tall Hulk is still an inch tall. Zatz him from Ant-Man size, then switch to Giant mode, and even a conservative estimate leads to this meaning "Hulk is now the angriest pinball trying and failing to hurt Scott, until eventually Scott swats him for the KO".

 

[Luigi]

One thing is for sure, Scott wouldn't want to become Giant Man against Bruce. Sure, he could try throwing him away or stepping on him but that's much easier said than done.

In his miniature size, it'd be the same story in that Scott wouldn't really be able to harm Bruce unless he'd be willing to sacrifice himself.

I'll go with Hulk.

 

[Batmannerism]

A lot of these are true, I just think they won't really matter all that much in the end in a fight between, say. . . Tony Stark in the Mk 7 Avengers suit vs Wenwu. Wenwu has options, but they follow a general trend of "physical or lightning attacks that emanate from me, mostly within a fairly limited range". Could he block or parry an explosive missile? Sure. However, Tony has a *lot* of missiles in his suit, amongst other things. I don't see Wenwu doing great against a full Macross Missile Massacre, and that would be just one attack option of several, all coming from way beyond his effective engagement range. He could try to attack back, but that won't get him very far at range ( and note, even the Mk 4 suitcase armor was already capable of mostly shrugging off attacks that could slice clean through a metal car like a lightsaber ).

Anyway, Ant-Man vs Hulk? I give it to Ant-Man. Its not really a matter of how bricky Ant-Man is at giant sized. Its more a matter that Ant-Man explicitly has shrink-attacks. . . and while the Hawkeye TV show suggests that at some point along the line Dr Pym worked out how to make offensive shrinking less of a death sentence, an inch tall Hulk is still an inch tall. Zatz him from Ant-Man size, then switch to Giant mode, and even a conservative estimate leads to this meaning "Hulk is now the angriest pinball trying and failing to hurt Scott, until eventually Scott swats him for the KO".

I can't believe you mentioned a "Macross missile massacre. " you have just dated yourself mate, or you have great taste in retro cartoons - for me nothing beats original Robotech.

Wonder who else will get that reference without using Google ?

 

[Batgirl0202]

I'm going with Ant-Man here. If Scott shrinks down to microscopic size and enters Hulk's nasal cavity, he could wreak all kinks of havoc on Bruce's heart, brain, and other internal organs...

I recall a Fantastic Four comic from years ago where Thing went up against an alien with Kitty Pryde's powers. All the alien did was phase his hand inside Thing's body and twist a couple organs. That put Ben down pretty fast...

Scott 9/10 for me

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm going Hulk so we end with a 3-3 tie!!

Next up! War of 2 cities!

Wakanda

vs Ta Lo

This is the only gif I can find of Ta Lo!!

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm going Hulk so we end with a 3-3 tie!!

Next up! War of 2 cities!

Wakanda

vs Ta Lo

This is the only gif I can find of Ta Lo!!

Who you got peeps?!

First, @Docker2.0 nice idea, inventive and it shakes things up a bit.

Hmmmmm.......where does the battle take place ?

Apparently citizens of Ta Lo have unspecified and completely ambiguous super powers, when at home, derived from the Guardian Dragon, whose powers ( other than flying and being really big with big teeth) are equally unspecified.

They field a couple of hundred, at best, people with plus one bows and melee weapons and almost got taken down by the Ten Rings thug brigade. They are skilful combatants but only have a couple of elite level fighters.

Wakanda has a bigger army with the most advanced technology on Earth including force fields , cloaking tech and powerful ranged weapons, as well as melee weapons.

Wakanda also has differentiated fighting units and a group of elite soldiers (the bald ladies) who can hold their own against alien invaders.

All in all I'd say Wakanda 10/10, for sheer numbers and technological might, on neutral ground.

In Ta Lo itself I'd still say Wakanda wins 7/10 with the Dragon magic bull**** prevailing the other 3/10.

Even with Shang Chi and his Rings I still only give Ta Lo 4/10. Wakanda's firepower and numbers advantage is just too great.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It is indeed a great idea.

Apparently citizens of Ta Lo have unspecified and completely ambiguous super powers, when at home, derived from the Guardian Dragon, whose powers ( other than flying and being really big with big teeth) are equally unspecified.

That's the rough bit, it makes it difficult to properly gauge the full might of Ta Lo with what we know about them.

I think the archers of Ta Lo are good at reaching fast moving targets, so I might give the ranged weapon and accuracy edge to Ta Lo, increasing their odds of winning to 5/10 times when not counting the vibranium cloaking technology....


It might be fairer to give the edge to WAKANDA, so with them I go.

 

[metaphysician]

I can't believe you mentioned a "Macross missile massacre. " you have just dated yourself mate, or you have great taste in retro cartoons - for me nothing beats original Robotech.

Wonder who else will get that reference without using Google ?

Honestly, I mostly take it from TVTropes. While I saw a few episodes of Robotech as a little kid, I don't really remember much of anything from them. My own preference in anime trends later, to stuff like NGE and Slayers ( or significantly later to Cowboy Bebop ).

 

[metaphysician]

Wakanda vs Ta-Lo:

I wouldn't say its exactly "ambiguous". The residents of Ta-Lo have wuxia kung fu, its as simple as that.

Doesn't really matter here, though. Wakanda has both an advanced tech military and *faaaaar* more numbers. If it were something like "50 random Wakandan soldiers vs 50 random Ta-Lo warriors", sure, Ta-Lo probably would take it. . . but its not. And there's nothing really keeping Wakanda from just dropping airstrike after airstrike on wherever the Ta-Lo forces are located. They'll survive better against such than ordinary human fighters, but Wakanda can just keep doing it indefinitely.

As for the Guardian Dragon, if she is in play, that certainly makes things much *messier*, but note that Wakanda's military tech ranges in power up to "force field that can cause skyscraper-sized ships dropping onto it from orbit to flat out disintegrate". They definitely should be able to take her down eventually with heavy military artillery, there just is going to be a large and bloody amount of casualties first.