MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

Daredevil wins. Next up,
We welcome the two newest Marvels that just happen to start with M's:

Morbius

vs Moon Knight

Who you got peeps?!

Ummmm....cant vote because I haven't seen Morbius and Moon Knight bored the **** out of me.

I'll say that Jared Leto is a better actor and Morbius CGI is definitely better ( from the trailers).

But otherwise I obtain......****ing autocorrect, "abstain "

 

[Docker2.0]

Ummmm....cant vote because I haven't seen Morbius and Moon Knight bored the **** out of me.

I'll say that Jared Leto is a better actor and Morbius CGI is definitely better ( from the trailers).

But otherwise I obtain......****ing autocorrect, "abstain "

What?! Moon Knight is actually great.

 

[Batmannerism]

What?! Moon Knight is actually great.

Honestly, I was watching it and waiting for it to get good, damn it was boring. It gives you no reason to give a **** about Stephen, Marc or Khonshu.

The most interesting character is Harrow, and he's not that interesting.

 

[Batgirl0202]

Ummmm....cant vote because I haven't seen Morbius and Moon Knight bored the **** out of me.

I'll say that Jared Leto is a better actor and Morbius CGI is definitely better ( from the trailers).

But otherwise I obtain......****ing autocorrect, "abstain "

Same here. I haven't seen either yet so I'm not qualified to participate this time around...

If I went by the comics though I'd choose Morbius 10/10. To the best of my knowledge (I really never followed him in the comics), Moon Knight is like Batman, just not as badass. Great fighting skills, peak human condition, cool gadgets. No superhuman abilities though.

Morbius, on the other hand, has strength and speed that are comparable to Spider-Man. Add the power of flight and a general air of viciousness, and it really doesn't seem like much of a contest at all

 

[Docker2.0]

Same here. I haven't seen either yet so I'm not qualified to participate this time around...

If I went by the comics though I'd choose Morbius 10/10. To the best of my knowledge (I really never followed him in the comics), Moon Knight is like Batman, just not as badass. Great fighting skills, peak human condition, cool gadgets. No superhuman abilities though.

Morbius, on the other hand, has strength and speed that are comparable to Spider-Man. Add the power of flight and a general air of viciousness, and it really doesn't seem like much of a contest at all

In the comics and the show Moon Knight does have enhanced speed and strength under a moon. I believe it is a full moon but definitely a moon.

 

[InCali]

Saved $10 and skipped Morbius. Watched the 1st episode of MK, but am waiting til it's over so I can binge it.

In other words, I'm an expert. The person whose name starts with an "M" wins.

 

[Batgirl0202]

In the comics and the show Moon Knight does have enhanced speed and strength under a moon. I believe it is a full moon but definitely a moon.

"During the time that Moon Knight adopted golden and ivory weapons (symbolizing his status as the Fist of Khonshu), his strength, endurance, and reflexes would increase depending on the phases of the moon, operating on a superhuman level during a full moon night. Even during a new moon, he can lift several hundred pounds."

Thanks Docker, I honestly did not know this! That definitely makes Moon Knight more badass than Batman

 

[Luigi]

Abstaining because Morbius looks awful and I have no urge to watch it.

Only way to get me interested in Morbius is if this guy showed up:

And for the record, Wesley would wipe the floor with Moon Knight as well.

 

[metaphysician]

In the comics and the show Moon Knight does have enhanced speed and strength under a moon. I believe it is a full moon but definitely a moon.

It actually varies, widely. Sometimes Moon Knight has superhuman physical stats linked to the phases of the moon. Sometimes he has exotic or magical equipment. Sometimes he has weird mystical powers. He consistently has three things going for him:

1. The general Batman clone, two-fisted pulp adventurer skill package

2. Some form of equipment

3. Craziness, of the useful "Shrug off most mental influences and do bad things to those who try and get into his head" kind

Beyond that, it varies from run to run. Sometimes he's a dude fighting with sticks in the gutter. Sometimes he has offbrand Batman weapons and vehicles. Sometimes he has a suit of full adamantium plate armor with matching arsenal. Sometimes he's mystically potent enough to beat up the Avengers.

Anyway, for the fight with Morbius? I haven't seen Morbius so I can't really say. I'm sure they are in roughly the same weight class, though apparently Morbius has some fairly decent bullet time speed. That would normally clinch an otherwise even fight, but Moon Knight's abilities are themselves kind of nebulous and mystically weird, and he's extremely durable.

 

[metaphysician]

And for the record, Wesley would wipe the floor with Moon Knight as well.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with "that is at best unproven". Moon Knight is as physically buff as any of the vampires Blade has ever fought, only he *doesn't* have any of their vulnerabilities, and he's also a highly skilled combatant with weird weapons/capabilities. I'm not going to say Moon Knight would stomp Blade, but they would absolutely be able to fight on even-ish terms at a bare minimum.

 

[Docker2.0]

So Moon Knight wins. Next up:


Ego the living Planet

vs Surtur

Who you got peeps?!

 

[InCali]

I'll say Ego because I'm obstinate and always right.

 

[Batmannerism]

So Moon Knight wins. Next up:


Ego the living Planet

vs Surtur

Who you got peeps?!

This is the kind of fight Surtur exists for. Surtur 10/10.

 

[Batgirl0202]

"Surtur was one of the most powerful beings in the cosmos, capable, even in his weakened state, of nearly overpowering Thor. After being resurrected by the Eternal Flame, Surtur's powers were immeasurably increased as he was finally able to bring Ragnarök to Asgard, destroying the incredibly powerful Hela in the process."

Ego, however, is still a Celestial after all. The only way to defeat him would be to attack his one vulnerable spot: his brain. Surtur, being a Fire Demon, has a unique advantage in the sense that he could potentially fry Ego's big blue brain like an omelet haha...

I'm going with Surtur 9/10.

 

[metaphysician]

Ego vs Surtur:

Yeah, I'd say Surtur takes it, assuming this is full power Surtur. We don't really have a direct measurement of power, but Surtur was certainly well more powerful than people like Thor or Hela, and powerful enough to physically destroy large ass continent-scale physical objects. Ego is big, but not *that* big, and he has a fragile weak point for a core. Sure, Surtur isn't *subtle*, and I'm sure Ego can fight back and hurt him, but Surtur is kind of a suicide berserker, and I at least would interpret "Surtur dies blowing up Ego" as a Surtur win. If he was cool with it against Asgard, he should be cool with it here.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ego vs Surtur:

Yeah, I'd say Surtur takes it, assuming this is full power Surtur. We don't really have a direct measurement of power, but Surtur was certainly well more powerful than people like Thor or Hela, and powerful enough to physically destroy large ass continent-scale physical objects. Ego is big, but not *that* big, and he has a fragile weak point for a core. Sure, Surtur isn't *subtle*, and I'm sure Ego can fight back and hurt him, but Surtur is kind of a suicide berserker, and I at least would interpret "Surtur dies blowing up Ego" as a Surtur win. If he was cool with it against Asgard, he should be cool with it here.

Ego is precisely the kind of target that Surtur specialises in: a large stationary object which can be destroyed by a single strike to a vulnerable spot. If Surtur's sword, Twilight, could penetrate and explode Asgard's core, triggering the instant destruction of the entire landmass then it seems reasonable he could do so to Ego - and would probably go for Ego's core immediately ( which also happens to be his most vulnerable spot).

I suppose if Ego could trap Surtur beneath a huge amount of land, maybe he could slow him down, but Otherwise I don't see Ego taking this....maybe 5 times out of 100 engagements at best.

 

[Shuri]

Surtur because the guy destroyed Asgard, I believe Ego wouldn't be that big a deal for him.

 

[Luigi]

Surtur: "What a nice looking planet, it'd be a shame if someone were to destroy it."

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Isn't Ego capable of healing his planet as long as the brain isn't damaged?

EGO gets my vote

 

[Docker2.0]

Surtur wins. Next up:
Battle of the avatars of their gods!

Moon Knight, avatar of Khonshu

vs Black Panther, avatar of the Panther god

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Batmannerism]

Surtur wins. Next up:
Battle of the avatars of their gods!

Moon Knight, avatar of Khonshu

vs Black Panther, avatar of the Panther god

Who you got peeps?!

Well.... Black Panther has reasonably well defined abilities and limitations. He's supersoldier class for his strength, speed etc with advanced fighting skills and a suit that makes him invulnerable to impacts up to a point.

Moon Knight is magic - his powers are very poorly defined and make very little sense. His Cape is bulletproof but his suit can be penetrated by spears, which don't appear to actually injure him. He has some degree of super strength, but it's hard to say how much.

He has some Batarang like weapons built into his suit, I guess they're magic too.

Moon Knight's big disadvantage is his mental instability.

Honestly, I feel like if MK's powers were a little better defined...that BP would kick the **** out of him 9/10. But, because of the uncertainty inherent in "magic" I'm going to call this a draw.

BTW, the treatment of MK's magic is a sign of being poorly written. In contrast, Dr Strange and Wanda, have magical powers but the audience is shown what they can do - which sometimes seems limitless ( and I don't like the idea that a guy can wave his hands around and affect the elite multiverse, because it also means that relatively easy "fixes" are also available), but they are both limited by their frail, mortal bodies.

 

[metaphysician]

Isn't Ego capable of healing his planet as long as the brain isn't damaged?

EGO gets my vote

Well, yeah, but my assumption is that Surtur would go for the brain ultimately. I mean, I suppose if he landed on the 'surface' and wasn't even told that Ego *had* a brain or any kind of inner space, but that feels a tad cheesy.

 

[metaphysician]

Moon Knight vs Black Panther:

First, while I could argue that "Avatar of the Panther God" is jumping way ahead of known information, it actually does kind of sort of fit with the available evidence in the movies. Maybe this is why Bast didn't show up at the conclave, she has plenty of other business to worry about.

As for the fight? As things currently stand I'd say its either a stalemate or an eventual Black Panther victory. When powered up, Moon Knight seems to have physical stats in the same general ranger as a super soldier, putting them on even ground. He clearly has some form of regeneration, but while its potent its also not infinite or casual; ordinary people with ordinary spears were able to greatly hinder and borderline immobilize him until he gained a burst of "My love interest is about to die" adrenaline. His costume and weapons have some magic tricks, but I wouldn't put them as anything categorically beyond T'Challa's tech gadgets.

Basically, the key thing to my eyes is that T'Challa's durability is just flat out tanky, thanks to all that vibranium in his long johns. Moon Knight, by contrast, may be able to shrug off damage, but he generally needs to take and suffer from it first; that's a notable disadvantage versus an opponent with vibranium claws and supersoldier strength.

 

[Docker2.0]

Moon Knight vs Black Panther:

First, while I could argue that "Avatar of the Panther God" is jumping way ahead of known information, it actually does kind of sort of fit with the available evidence in the movies. Maybe this is why Bast didn't show up at the conclave, she has plenty of other business to worry about.

As for the fight? As things currently stand I'd say its either a stalemate or an eventual Black Panther victory. When powered up, Moon Knight seems to have physical stats in the same general ranger as a super soldier, putting them on even ground. He clearly has some form of regeneration, but while its potent its also not infinite or casual; ordinary people with ordinary spears were able to greatly hinder and borderline immobilize him until he gained a burst of "My love interest is about to die" adrenaline. His costume and weapons have some magic tricks, but I wouldn't put them as anything categorically beyond T'Challa's tech gadgets.

Basically, the key thing to my eyes is that T'Challa's durability is just flat out tanky, thanks to all that vibranium in his long johns. Moon Knight, by contrast, may be able to shrug off damage, but he generally needs to take and suffer from it first; that's a notable disadvantage versus an opponent with vibranium claws and supersoldier strength.

T'Challa is tanky like you say BUT wouldn't magic kind of weaken vibranium like it does Superman because it's so unpredictable? You don't think the suits don't kind of neutralize each other because of the extreme of each other?

Also, wasn't the panther god in BP? I could have sworn I saw it for a moment.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't know the powers they've given Marc in this show, but T'Challa's herb made him super fast and agile, and strong enough to grab some great stuff if I remember correctly from Civil War.

Also, wasn't the panther symbol in BP? I could have sworn I saw it for a moment.

Yeah, I think they did a CGI model of the tribe's idol.

Vibranium weakness as shown in the film is the vibration of other vibranium, but now that I think about it... it's astonishing their trains and the tracks they move on weren't fazed out nor did they crack because of other train movements in close proximity.