MCU X-Men - Part 1

[Marvel united]

I think race changes are kinda inevitable. But I don't want Cyclops, Jean, Logan or Charles to be changed. But I don't see why someone like Bobby or Hank can't be changed

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I agree on gambit. Rogue could go either way for me. Lately I've been trying to imagine a black cyclops.

Lord, they gotta keep Slim white.

Imagine if they race swapped him, then did when he runs out on Madelyne and baby Cable. Stereotype personified LOL smh.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Then again, you never know with Disney and their casting choices. They're taking more chances with the diversity thing.

Thought they were gonna give the fanboys across the world heart attacks making Gwen Stacy and MJ black with Zendaya and the other chick for Spider-Man Homecoming.

 

[Lip]

Given what the X-Men is about, yes, I'm expecting a lot of diversity in it. Like a lot. So I don't mind race change, which I believe there will be, but not with the really big names.

About Bobby, I just hope they can make him gay. It's about damn time.

And lately I've been contemplating the possibility of trans actresses getting some roles too. That would be cool.

 

[Shikamaru]

I would argue diversity is 100% necessary with the X-Men.

1. The X-Men were intended to represent minorities. However, they came out in an era of segregation and just when Marvel started taking off. I could see how making the O5 white could appeal more to mainstream readers in the '60s, but is that necessary in 2018?

2. For its time, the Claremont run (what many consider the best X-Men run) was very diverse. If Marvel wants to stay true to the spirit of Claremont, the X-Men should be diverse by 2018 standards.

3. Homecoming already presented the Millennials and Gen Z's as very diverse. Any team mid 30s or younger will have to stay consistent with that (even if they start out as adults, I doubt Cyclops and the rest will be Gen X's or Boomers).

 

[Marvel united]

Cyclops, Jean, Charles and Logan are too iconic to race swap. Marvel doesn't usually race change ther main characters

 

[Shikamaru]

Cyclops, Jean, Charles and Logan are too iconic to race swap. Marvel doesn't usually race change ther main characters

They don't have to race swap all of them, but the majority of the team shouldn't be white IMO. Of the few white characters they use, they should be a metaphor for something else. Scott and Jean don't have to be raceswapped as much because they can already be used as a metaphor for a physical disability and mental disorder, respectively.

 

[psylockolussus]

It should begin from the beginning. It doesn't to, but that's the traditional structure and when you're telling an overarching story over episodic films and crossovers, it makes more sense. And it'll be the first ever MCU X-Film - making the core X-Men young would set itself apart from the other 4 films where they seasoned veterans, active for 14 years when we met them in X1. Apocalypse was the only film to make them the age they were when the X-Men were introduced to the world and the movie barely explored that concept. They could've been a veteran team in their 30s and the movie would have essentially played out the same way just without the bully scene with Scott.

What if SM: Homecoming was about a 47 year old Peter Parker who had already retired while his daughter: Mayday has taken over the mantle? "As long as it's a compelling story, who cares" You could justify any idea or pitch with that reasoning. The point is, it would be better for the audience and for the MCU to start the legacy of MCU X-Men as kids just as they originally were.

You are exaggerating about a 47 peter Parker.

X-Men aren't depicted as teen in other mediums while we have seen them inexperienced and teens in the movies. And yeah there would be growth if they are developed in a handful of films during their mid 20s up to until they get older. They don't need to be young. That being said, no one is asking for a 67 year old Storm and Cyclops.

 

[Marvel united]

You are exaggerating about a 47 peter Parker.

X-Men aren't depicted as teen in other mediums while we have seen them inexperienced and teens in the movies. And yeah there would be growth if they are developed in a handful of films during their mid 20s up to until they get older. They don't need to be young. That being said, no one is asking for a 67 year old Storm and Cyclops.

Wait, huh? There have been DOZENS of other mediums where the X-Men were portrayed as teenagers outside of the original 616 continuity. X-Men: Evolution, X-Men: First Class, Ultimate X-Men, Marvel Adventures universe, X-Men in 1602 etc. It wasn't some one-off thing that was only relevant to the original Kirby/Lee run. Even in the new comics, All-new X-Men - Marvel brought back the original five as teenagers and they currently have an ongoing series which has gotten better over time.

The main thing I'm against is starting the franchise with the main members being veterans their 30s. Having a team in their mid 20s isn't as bad but I still prefer them to be late teens to early 20s. Young adults.

I was only using the 47 year old Peter Parker idea as analogy to how you could justify any creative decision with the argument that it could be a well-written compelling story which was the reasoning you used for having seasoned, experienced team in their 30s to start the franchise off. Of course it would be a terrible idea to have a close to middle-aged Peter start the franchise just as it would to have an X-Men who has gone through 15 years of character development and growth off-screen.

If you count First Class, you could say that. But FC was more of an origin story for Charles and Erik as opposed to an origin story for the X-Men. Apocaplyse is the only film to have a truly inexperienced team and even then, it was never explored and Dark Phoenix is jumping 10 years ahead to them being 25-29 year olds again.

 

[Marvel united]

They don't have to race swap all of them, but the majority of the team shouldn't be white IMO. Of the few white characters they use, they should be a metaphor for something else. Scott and Jean don't have to be raceswapped as much because they can already be used as a metaphor for a physical disability and mental disorder, respectively.

 

[Jordacar]

According to their profiles, Cyclops was born in Alaska and Havok was born in Hawaii, so go off I guess.

 

[DawnWarrior]

On the subject of race-lifting, I'll admit that the original 60's gang are the whitest kids in the world, but starting with the Giant Size retooling, the X-Men books have achieved one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse ensembles in fiction. Race-lifting a couple characters is certainly possible, but for the X-Men it can just be a matter of selecting the right cast. If they want Natives they've got Forge, Mirage, and the Proudstar brothers. If they want Hispanics they've got Feral, Rictor, Sunspot, or Cecilia Reyes. For the UK we got Banshee, Siryn, the Braddocks, Chamber, Pixie. For east Asia we got Jubilee, Sunfire, Armor, Karma. And so on and so forth. Not saying they shouldn't race-lift ever, I'd just like to see them embrace the cast they've got.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think race changes are kinda inevitable. But I don't want Cyclops, Jean, Logan or Charles to be changed. But I don't see why someone like Bobby or Hank can't be changed

Because they've been white since their inception. If you want diversity, there's Psylocke, Storm, Warpath, Jubilee, Revanche, Sunfire, Sunspot, Karma, Bishop, Forge, Thunderbird, M, Armor (to name a few) to use.

 

[TheVileOne]

Race change would be fine imo. I'd rather see classic xmen not all be white guys. I mean a few could stand to get changed.

So use Laura as Wolverine instead of Logan

 

[psylockolussus]

Or just not use Logan.

 

[Marvel united]

It will definitely be Logan and Marvel race-swapping him is the least likely of all of the X-Men.

So use Laura as Wolverine instead of Logan

Not sure if serious...

 

[Laderlappen]

There's no reason to change any of the most major X-men characters since some of them already are minorities. If they change some of the minor ones, I don't care.

 

[Silvermoth]

My take is that he was captured by SHIELD in the 80's and trapped in a prison made up up of his electromagnetic field, stalling his age.I don't think it's necessary to racechange.

Erm interesting but I reckon stuff like that only works in the comic books. Most of the general public would just find it daffy

Race change would be fine imo. I'd rather see classic xmen not all be white guys. I mean a few could stand to get changed.

Yeah I’m ready for it. If they were doing the story for the first time now they would definitely have made a more diverse team plus it’s good to give people opportunities they may not have always gotten to enjoy

 

[Jordacar]

Even with all the diverse characters that made it into the movies, they still wound up focusing largely on the white guys, especially in the prequel trilogy. (Charles, Erik, Hank, Logan, Havok, and sure Mystique, were the only ones to appear in all three.)

 

[Silvermoth]

Cyclops, Jean, Charles and Logan are too iconic to race swap. Marvel doesn't usually race change ther main characters

Cyclops’ visor is iconic but I don’t know how many people would say he’s iconic out of it. Good opportunity for someone new.

Same with Charles. I mean, how could you possibly recast someone as perfect as sir pat stew? So don’t, explore something in a different direction.

And as for jean, the important part is her compassion and warmth and kick ass abilities and self determination. Whoever can do that the best should get the gig

 

[Silvermoth]

And there's a similar situation with Wolverine: I have always thought of the character as neither classically handsome, nor genuinely ugly, but "ruggedly good-looking". That's hard to find in Hollywood, and then you have to find an actor who will continue to look that way for 10-15 years, minimum. This may be outside the box, but how old is Norman Reedus? He's got a scruffy thing going on, and is no stranger to comicbook-based projects.

Yeah I’m struggling with that too. I want a greasy wolverine. Young enough to do the physical stuff but old enough to look weathered. Really he’s impossible to cast

 

[Roose Bolton]

Erm interesting but I reckon stuff like that only works in the comic books. Most of the general public would just find it daffy

They don't find a talking tree or raccoon daffy, so I doubt pseudo science will bother them any.

 

[Silvermoth]

That’s different, they see it and they’re told to go with it so they just do. It’s alien stuff anything can happen.

But when you need to slow the plot down to explain the science behind all the characters peoples eyes start rolling backwards

 

[Marvel united]

Cyclops’ visor is iconic but I don’t know how many people would say he’s iconic out of it. Good opportunity for someone new.

The character has been around for 50+ years. He's one of the core founding members. People know what Scott is suppose to look like.

Same with Charles. I mean, how could you possibly recast someone as perfect as sir pat stew? So don’t, explore something in a different direction.

Why does that have to entail changing Charles' race? Is Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man not completely different from Tom Holland's potrayel? His race doesn't have to be changed and I would prefer it not be. For one, making Charles a much less straight laced figure like the Singer films and much more mysterious and ambiguous like the comics would do well to introduce a fresh story with him.

And as for jean, the important part is her compassion and warmth and kick ass abilities and self determination. Whoever can do that the best should get the gig

Casting an actress who looks faithful to the source material should be part of that package. Jean's look is probably more iconic than Scott's. Everybody knows her as the resident X-red head.

 

[Roose Bolton]

That’s different, they see it and they’re told to go with it so they just do. It’s alien stuff anything can happen.

But when you need to slow the plot down to explain the science behind all the characters peoples eyes start rolling backwards

They didn’t roll their eyes at the explaination for how Bucky survived 75 years after WW2. Plus, “mutant stuff anything can happen” is perfectly as valid.