MCU X-Men - Part 1

[Marvel united]

So say they are perfectly portrayed by actors who aren't white, jean still has red hair scott still has his classic visor and they are executed perfectly. Would you love them any less?

The whole point of my argument Is that it shouldn't happen. And if it does, I have no choice but to accept it and move on. I'll have to separate these versions fron the ones I grew up with and judge it as it's own thing to be fair to this new interpation of the X-Men.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

But that's how you have to approach live action from comics anyway. There has never been a panel for panel translation of any comic to live action characters can be close but nothing is exactly the same, so it's new anyway. So do you enjoy the characters more for who they are? Their traits and motivations? Their personalities? Or more for what they look like?

 

[Lip]

Characters who shouldn't be race swapped- Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Kitty Pryde and Colossus. Everyone else is fair game. But the core 5 I grew up reading, I'd prefer to stay white/Jewish

The whole point of my argument Is that it shouldn't happen. And if it does, I have no choice but to accept it and move on. I'll have to separate these versions fron the ones I grew up with and judge it as it's own thing to be fair to this new interpation of the X-Men.

I understand that you prefer them to be white. But saying that they shouldn't be race swapped is very different.

 

[Marvel united]

I understand that you prefer them to be white. But saying that they shouldn't be race swapped is very different.

Not really. I'm only stating my preference and arguing for why they should stay white.

 

[TheVileOne]

Marvel Studios cast a woman in the role of Ghost for Ant-Man and the Wasp. Ghost in the comics has always been a guy.

 

[sleekstereo]

Alfred Enoch (Harry Potter) will be a great Cyclops:

Spoiler

 

[Marvel united]

You know what he meant....there's no need to make fun of someone's English spelling when we have people from all over the world on here. That's not a good way to start off at the Hype.

My mistake, was a typo error. But yeah, an actor can have all of those traits and still look like the character. It's part of the package. You can't say "what if they're the perfect actor" when they dont have all of the qualities of the character. I'm not against race changes but not for the most integral members of the team.

The last thing I'd want is for the MCU X-Men to take even more liberties than Singers films

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Alfred Enoch (Harry Potter) will be a great Cyclops:

Spoiler

I could see it.

But the xmen could easily be more faithful than the foxmen without the characters all looking exactly as they do in the comics. The foxmen were so off base character wise the fact that somewhat resembled their comic book counterparts is basically a non factor.

 

[Marvel united]

I will admit, If Marvel was determined to race-change main characters - Alfred would be a good choice for Scott.

 

[Detective Conan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFg690Gpcigt=153s

 

[Shikamaru]

Just saw Deadpool 2. Wow, in a lot of ways I feel like I just saw the most comic book X-Men film to date. I felt almost disappointed I was watching Deadpool and not their take on X-Men. I mean, the action and the mutant metaphors are arguably the best parts of the film.

Makes you reflect on how much potential there is with the X-Men.

 

[Lip]

I haven't seen it yet and I'm trying to stay away from any spoiler, but I heard Zazie's Domino is one of the highlights.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Alfred Enoch (Harry Potter) will be a great Cyclops:

Spoiler

I like it.

Few years ago actor called Ian Anthony Dale would have been a good pick to play the broody, no-nonsense leader version of Cyclops. But now he's probably older than what they're looking for.

 

[Mad Ones]

Alfred Enoch (Harry Potter) will be a great Cyclops:

Spoiler

OMG yes I love this!

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I like it.

Few years ago actor called Ian Anthony Dale would have been a good pick to play the broody, no-nonsense leader version of Cyclops. But now he's probably older than what they're looking for.

Oddly enough I was thinking king the same thing a while back.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Id have no issues with a black Cyclops. But I think Jean should be a ginger and Wolverine should be white. Just my preference

I’m all for more diversity with the core team though

 

[Shikamaru]

I would put Wolverine in the "has to be white" category. He is Canadian just as much as Nightcrawler is German and Colossus is Russian (Canadian may not equal 'white' in 2018 but it did at the time he was born).

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm down for a Latin jean gray.

 

[Protar]

Using those guidelines, you could create something completely unrecognizable from the source material. What is the themes of Spider-Man? He's a relatable kid dealing with normal problems. Okay, so we'll take that metaphor literally and make Peter a normal kid and turn Soider-Man into a literal school drama. But besides that fact- Marvel DOES use the "facts" of the source material. Hence why Spider-Man wears a red and blue suit ripped directly from the comics, why Steven Strange was a neruo surgeon who injured his hands, why Thor is the son of Odin- why they all retain their original race. The reason why these characters are the way they are is because of the comics. A loose adaption that takes the themes literally and realistically would be something like Josh Trank's F4. Marvel DOES

Strawman much. Obviously, the same characters, the same general lore, much of the same iconography will be used. But the MCU has always taken massive liberties with the source material, including racebending (and with Ant-Man and The Wasp, genderbending) characters. Are you seriously claiming that a black cyclops would be on par with a spiderman movie where spidey has no powers?

Key word: some of them. Not all of them and certainly not people like Cyclops, Jean or Logan.

So essentially all the important people must remain white? Is that what you're getting at?

Because I've grown up with these characters looking this way for over a 20 year period. It's no different from me wanting Peter Parker to wear a red and blue suit with web pattern. I want to see these characters portrayed accurately from I've grown to love from years of comics and cartoons that featured these characters

But it is different. A red and blue suit is a red and blue suit. The diversity of a cast is not just an aesthetic choice, it makes a sociopolitical statement.

 

[fan4stic]

So essentially all the important people must remain white? Is that what you're getting at?

Xavier is more important and he can be black. His look lends itself to that. The look of them doesn't.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Xavier is more important and he can be black. His look lends itself to that. The look of them doesn't.

Well, I can see how, say, a black Cyclops could have a distracting resemblance to Geordi La Forge. But there are other options for a race swap. For example, I mentioned an Asian-American actor I could imagine as Cyclops just a few posts ago. I based that not only on the type of roles I'd seen him play but also on the fact that I think he has a good look for the part.

 

[Abudefduf]

Well, I can see how, say, a black Cyclops could have a distracting resemblance to Geordi La Forge. But there are other options for a race swap. For example, I mentioned an Asian-American actor I could imagine as Cyclops just a few posts ago. I based that not only on the type of roles I'd seen him play but also on the fact that I think he has a good look for the part.

This. For some reason, racebending is quickly becoming synonymous with "turning a white character black" and that's just unfortunate.

 

[Protar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFg690Gpcigt=153s

I like the idea of using Giant Size X-men, it's classic but a lot more diverse than the original lineup. Still not quite the bar we need to meet but it's a start. I think that you can cut Wolverine and Colossus from this lineup. Wolverine is overexposed and needs a large break. And when he does return he has potential as a solo franchise lead. If Deadpool is retconned into the MCU, Colossus could possibly stick around as well in those films. With those two cut off what was probably too large a team anyway, you're left with a tight and pretty diverse lineup even without racebending. Though I'd still love to see Denzel as Professor X. We'd be left with:

Professor X
Storm
Cyclops
Siryn
Night Crawler
Sunfire
Thunderbird

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Well, I can see how, say, a black Cyclops could have a distracting resemblance to Geordi La Forge. But there are other options for a race swap. For example, I mentioned an Asian-American actor I could imagine as Cyclops just a few posts ago. I based that not only on the type of roles I'd seen him play but also on the fact that I think he has a good look for the part.

Xavier could easily be Asian as well.

 

[Jh7058622]

I don't like the idea of race-bending any of the top Four characters (Storm, Jean, Cyclops, Wolverine) everyone else is fair game, like, every blue person (Beast, Nightcrawler and Mystique) could all be black or latino with nothing changed about who they are as characters. Rogue also could be latina.

Even the Professor could be swapped. I could see Antonio Banderez as a more suave Professor X say his parents were Venezuelan oil tycoons or something and it could work.