Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Marvel united]

@Heretic Whipped this up to see what Annalise could look like as Jean

Also did one with a mask

Spoiler

I think it would be cool if the head band could form a segmented mask during missions where the X-Men are out in the public. (To protect their identities) Of course, it wouldn't stay on but it would be nice to have it in the movie

As for why Jean would have a Jim Lee-esque head band in the first place, could be explained as it helping her control her powers. No further explanation needed. That's how they were able to get away with animated eyes on Spider-Man.

Ditto for Cyclops' cowl being explained away as head protection

6 movies without Cyclops in his classic cowl. It's time for the classic Cyclops look.

Scott's optic beam could have an exhaust effect after use, like this:

Depending on how much energy Scott exerts. Just to make it visually distinct from the Singer/Fox depiction of Scott's optic blasts.

 

[Heretic]

@Heretic Whipped this up to see what Annalise could look like as Jean

Also did one with a mask

Spoiler

I think it would be cool if the head band could form a segmented mask during missions where the X-Men are out in the public. (To protect their identities) Of course, it wouldn't stay on but it would be nice to have it in the movie

As for why Jean would have a Jim Lee-esque head band in the first place, could be explained as it helping her control her powers. No further explanation needed. That's how they were able to get away with animated eyes on Spider-Man.

Ditto for Cyclops' cowl being explained away as head protection

6 movies without Cyclops in his classic cowl. It's time for the classic Cyclops look.

Scott's optic beam could have an exhaust effect after use, like this:

Depending on how much energy Scott exerts. Just to make it visually distinct from the Singer/Fox depiction of Scott's optic blasts.

Cool! Generally I would be opposed to anything covering Annalise's face (except...nah...not going there) but I'm not someone who is opposed to superhero movies looking like comic books.

And those are some cool Cyclops ideas too!

 

[Marvel united]

Cool! Generally I would be opposed to anything covering Annalise's face (except...nah...not going there) but I'm not someone who is opposed to superhero movies looking like comic books.

And those are some cool Cyclops ideas too!

Yeah, they need to embrace the comic booky aspects that Fox ignored, especially from a visual standpoint (Jean mask/headband, Storm's tiara, Cyclops' cowl, Bobby in solid ice form etc) it could be one of the most important distinguishing factors from the "grounded" Singerverse.

 

[Silvermoth]

I would still like Noah centineo as cyclops. Perfect mcu cyke

 

[Iceman]

@Heretic Whipped this up to see what Annalise could look like as Jean

Also did one with a mask

Spoiler

I think it would be cool if the head band could form a segmented mask during missions where the X-Men are out in the public. (To protect their identities) Of course, it wouldn't stay on but it would be nice to have it in the movie

As for why Jean would have a Jim Lee-esque head band in the first place, could be explained as it helping her control her powers. No further explanation needed. That's how they were able to get away with animated eyes on Spider-Man.

Ditto for Cyclops' cowl being explained away as head protection

6 movies without Cyclops in his classic cowl. It's time for the classic Cyclops look.

Scott's optic beam could have an exhaust effect after use, like this:

Depending on how much energy Scott exerts. Just to make it visually distinct from the Singer/Fox depiction of Scott's optic blasts.

I love the exhaust effect.

 

[Iceman]

With the many problems he has aside, Singer blew my mind with that White House invasion sequence. To this day is one of my favorite action sequence in CBMs.

So yeah, I'm super excited to see the MCU getting creative with Nightcrawler's powers. And for some reason, Kitty as well.

Yes, that is definitely one of the best solo
CBM scenes. That is a character being done justice in an action scene. Let’s hope we have more of that, and when it’s a main team member that they are in the team to stay rather than just guest star and then get forgotten.

 

[Lip]

Not official yet, but the rumours of Black Widow being rated-r are growing more and more. I'm inclined to believe it's true, and if so, it will open the door for more.

Now I wonder if they'll try a Wolverine solo franchise rated-r, since he's sooooo popular. Will they take that risk with him? I mean, Black Widow now is massively popular thanks to the movies, and the most important female character so far, and they're taking that risk with her...

As I said before, this is the best possible moment for the X-Men get back to Marvel.

 

[Frankeh]

Not official yet, but the rumours of Black Widow being rated-r are growing more and more. I'm inclined to believe it's true, and if so, it will open the door for more.

Now I wonder if they'll try a Wolverine solo franchise rated-r, since he's sooooo popular. Will they take that risk with him? I mean, Black Widow now is massively popular thanks to the movies, and the most important female character so far, and they're taking that risk with her...

As I said before, this is the best possible moment for the X-Men get back to Marvel.

While I’m pretty tired of Wolverine, I still want to see a proper film version of Weapon X at some point. Fox failed at it.

 

[Silvermoth]

I just want something like this for the first teaser

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, they need to embrace the comic booky aspects that Fox ignored, especially from a visual standpoint (Jean mask/headband, Storm's tiara, Cyclops' cowl, Bobby in solid ice form etc) it could be one of the most important distinguishing factors from the "grounded" Singerverse.

If they can make Cyclops look as good with a cowl as without then I’d be up for it but I usually prefer when I can see more of his face. As for Jean’s mask/headband, Storm’s tiara and much more Bobby in solid ice form, bring them all on!!

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah as a 90's x-fan, I never cared for Cyke's cowl, always made his head look a bit penis-y for some reason

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah as a 90's x-fan, I never cared for Cyke's cowl, always made his head look a bit penis-y for some reason

Yea, but he's had the 90s/X-Factor cowl-less look for over 6 films now. Time for classic Cykes to get some love. The iconic image of Cyclops for me has always been the one with the cowl.

I mean, nobody is saying Cap's mask looks like a Penis and if Marvel can make this work


Then they sure as heck can make the classic look of Cyclops work

With the cowl.

Everybody is always talking about how Wolverine wearing classic suit would be a good visual distinction from Jackman... But the same exact thing applies to Scott..

 

[Iceman]

Yea, but he's had the 90s/X-Factor cowl-less look for over 6 films now. Time for classic Cykes to get some love. The iconic image of Cyclops for me has always been the one with the cowl.

I mean, nobody is saying Cap's mask looks like a Penis and if Marvel can make this work
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Then they sure as heck can make the classic look of Cyclops work

With the cowl.

Everybody is always talking about how Wolverine wearing classic suit would be a good visual distinction from Jackman... But the same exact thing applies to Scott..

You obviously weren’t on the Avengers board when the first film came out mate.

People thought Cap looked great when his face was fully uncovered and horrible when the helmet was on. The posts will all still be there.

What’s your favourite cowl image btw? If they can make it every bit as good as Cyke looks without it then I think people would be cool with it.

 

[LightDaggers]

I'd personally love to see this Cyke look. I'm a big fan of his half cowl, and this is the look I need to see on the big screen.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yea, but he's had the 90s/X-Factor cowl-less look for over 6 films now. Time for classic Cykes to get some love. The iconic image of Cyclops for me has always been the one with the cowl.

I mean, nobody is saying Cap's mask looks like a Penis and if Marvel can make this work

Then they sure as heck can make the classic look of Cyclops work

With the cowl.

Everybody is always talking about how Wolverine wearing classic suit would be a good visual distinction from Jackman... But the same exact thing applies to Scott..

I get where you're coming from, but his movie costumes haven't actually looked anything like any of his comic costumes... anything remotely like his Jim Lee outfit would also be new and exciting to see

And nobody says that about Captains America or Marvel, because their silhouettes are very different... something about the visor + cowl combo comes off much more phallic than Cap's cowl + wings or Carol's cowl + fauxhawk
lol

plus like someone mentioned before, the actor needs a bit more to emote than just his mounth... with the visor on, it's very helpful to have some eyebrow visible

 

[Marvel united]

You obviously weren’t on the Avengers board when the first film came out mate.

People thought Cap looked great when his face was fully uncovered and horrible when the helmet was on. The posts will all still be there.

What’s your favourite cowl image btw? If they can make it every bit as good as Cyke looks without it then I think people would be cool with it.

Well he still has it. The way the cowl looked in TA was just an example of poor execution of an idea because it looked great in the concept art



They can make it look more tactical like what they did with Cap's helmet/Cap Marvel's cowl

2 or 5

 

[BoredGuy]

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Yeah see, outta these, my faves are 1 or 8, by a wide margin lol

 

[Iceman]

Well he still has it. The way the cowl looked in TA was just an example of poor execution of an idea because it looked great in the concept art

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They can make it look more tactical like what they did with Cap's helmet/Cap Marvel's cowl
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2 or 5

Some of those are fine. I think it could be good to have both. Maybe it was you who mentioned before about having a retractable cowl that he wears for battle when the **** hits the fan? That I would definitely be cool with. Best of both worlds and even more variety and difference from previous versions.

 

[Marvel united]

I get where you're coming from, but his movie costumes haven't actually looked anything like any of his comic costumes... anything remotely like his Jim Lee outfit would also be new and exciting to see

I wouldn't say ANYTHING like. The Apocalypse one is pretty clearly influenced by the '91 Jim Lee design

And nobody says that about Captains America or Marvel, because their silhouettes are very different... something about the visor + cowl combo comes off much more phallic than Cap's cowl + wings or Carol's cowl + fauxhawk

It looks nothing like a penis. This is the first time I ever saw anybody compare him to one. If that was the case, they wouldn't keep bringing the cowl back in the comics. The cowl makes him look more like a literal Cyclops.

Lol

plus like someone mentioned before, the actor needs a bit more to emote than just his mounth... with the visor on, it's very helpful to have some eyebrow visible

The eyebrows are never visible on the 90s design

Scott's eyebrows are almost never visible under any visor in the comics -- with or without cowl. (Ultimate Scott was sometimes drawn with them but still) And this is the entire point as Scott is suppose to be distanced and emotionally closed, especially on the battlefield.

RoboCop has a similar design to Scott and both Peter Weller and Joel Kinnaman had to learn how to emote with their mouth. It is entirely possible for Scott to communicate whatever desired emotion to the audience through the mouth only

You can easily tell what he's feeling in that image

 

[BoredGuy]

I wouldn't say ANYTHING like. The Apocalypse one is pretty clearly influenced by the '91 Jim Lee design




It looks nothing like a penis. This is the first time I ever saw anybody compare him to one. If that was the case, they wouldn't keep bringing the cowl back in the comics. The cowl makes him look more like a literal Cyclops.


The eyebrows are never visible on the 90s design


Scott's eyebrows are almost never visible under any visor in the comics -- with or without cowl. (Ultimate Scott was sometimes drawn with them but still) And this is the entire point as Scott is suppose to be distanced and emotionally closed, especially on the battlefield.

RoboCop has a similar design to Scott and both Peter Weller and Joel Kinnaman had to learn how to emote with their mouth. It is entirely possible for Scott to communicate whatever desired emotion to the audience through the mouth only


You can easily tell what he's feeling in that image

The Apocalypse suit was a piss-poor, super cheap looking homage to the 90's suit, which showed up for all of 3 seconds, so I'd like something a little better, and a little closer, and for a full movie

And I'm kidding about the penis thing, mostly.. I just think it looks really lame on him, always has, his 90's look became Iconic for a reason... the comics go back to the cowl because comic creators have serious nostalgia boners for the 80's, same reason they keep trying to put Wolvie back in the brown.

And Robocop is a terrible comparison to make, Peter Weller was meant to be emotionless, and that other version warrants no further discussion... Emoting with just your mouth and body CAN be done, but you have to be a lot more melodramatic to pull it off. Most actors prefer to be subtle and not over-act for a whole movie, so having some eyebrow or a bit more face to show off subtle emotions would probably be preferable to having to go over-the-top with it

 

[Marvel united]

Some of those are fine. I think it could be good to have both. Maybe it was you who mentioned before about having a retractable cowl that he wears for battle when the **** hits the fan? That I would definitely be cool with. Best of both worlds and even more variety and difference from previous versions.

Yea, the default design could be the half-cowl look of '91 but the helmet contracts over his head when the X-Men are getting ready for battle

I.E

So he could have it for specific fight scenes but also allow the ability to retract to the half-look of Jim Lee when he's talking to civilians or the other X-Men in the midst of a mission

 

[Marvel united]

The Apocalypse suit was a piss-poor, super cheap looking homage to the 90's suit, which showed up for all of 3 seconds, so I'd like something a little better, and a little closer, and for a full movie

Well, you said any at all. I agree that it was lame adaptation of the suit but it's clear Singer was trying to pay homage to that design. Doesn't really matter tho because Scott is wearing X-Themed pajamas in Dark Phoenix so a proper adaptation would still be in order.

And I'm kidding about the penis thing, mostly.. I just think it looks really lame on him, always has, his 90's look became Iconic for a reason... the comics go back to the cowl because comic creators have serious nostalgia boners for the 80's, same reason they keep trying to put Wolvie back in the brown.

Or maybe because It simply looks great? A lot of people love the cowl on him and it shows. The Astonishing X-Men look of Cyclops became his default look for a good 9 years before he went renegade post-AvX and he had the X-shaped visor cowl all the way until his death. That's not really nostalgia, that's just maintaining the classic, iconic image of a character.

And Robocop is a terrible comparison to make, Peter Weller was meant to be emotionless, and that other version warrants no further discussion...

In principal, it's not that far off. Scott is a stoic, distanced person. When he's on the battlefield directing the X-Men, he is a calculating strategist focused on the mission.

Emoting with just your mouth and body CAN be done, but you have to be a lot more melodramatic to pull it off. Most actors prefer to be subtle and not over-act for a whole movie, so having some eyebrow or a bit more face to show off subtle emotions would probably be preferable to having to go over-the-top with it

Any actor playing Scott is gonna have to be able to emote without his eyes anyway. Body language is every bit as important as facial acting when it comes to a character like Scott who has subdued emotions.

It wouldn't be the whole movie. He'd still be able to have a chance to emote with his eyebrows when he's not Cyclops on the battlefield. Scott isnt in his visor 24/7. I didn't see Tom Holland complaining about the fact that he has to "over act" and make exaggerated movements in his suit because of no mouth or face. Neither did Maguire or Garfield both of whom didn't have animated eyes to do the emoting for them. These excuses for no cowl are just ringing hollow for me and can be easily refuted by countless examples

 

[Chiznuk]

I just want something like this for the first teaser

This really looks cool. It would make a great teaser poster.

I'm hoping the Sentinels are a big part of the first film. They've been criminally underutilized in the FoxVerse. Similar to the Phase Two program in the first Avengers film I'd have the Sentinel initiative be a secret government contingency plan in case the recent mutant phenomenon needs to be contained.

I also don't want a mutant to be the aggressor in this first film so Magneto is obviously a big no no. He's been overused anyway so it'll be nice to give him a rest for a bit. I'd first want to establish that mutants like Magneto aren't wrong when they speak out against human oppression of mutants. Their philosophy in dealing with it might be wrong but the struggle is real. That's why I think having the Sentinels appear along with a human antagonist (not Trask since that would be too close to DOFP) is the best way to go for the first film. Then later on when Magneto is waging his war against humanity there's an actual reason for it. It isn't just based on his belief alone that humans are bad.

 

[Iceman]

Yea, the default design could be the half-cowl look of '91 but the helmet contracts over his head when the X-Men are getting ready for battle

I.E

So he could have it for specific fight scenes but also allow the ability to retract to the half-look of Jim Lee when he's talking to civilians or the other X-Men in the midst of a mission

That’s cool with me.

 

[Iceman]

This really looks cool. It would make a great teaser poster.

I'm hoping the Sentinels are a big part of the first film. They've been criminally underutilized in the FoxVerse. Similar to the Phase Two program in the first Avengers film I'd have the Sentinel initiative be a secret government contingency plan in case the recent mutant phenomenon needs to be contained.

I also don't want a mutant to be the aggressor in this first film so Magneto is obviously a big no no. He's been overused anyway so it'll be nice to give him a rest for a bit. I'd first want to establish that mutants like Magneto aren't wrong with they speak out against human oppression of mutants. Their philosophy in dealing with it might be wrong but the struggle is real. That's why I think having the Sentinels appear along with a human antagonist (not Trask since that would be too close to DOFP) is the best way to go for the first film. Then later on when Magneto is waging his war against humanity there's an actual reason for it. It isn't just based on his belief alone that humans are bad.

That would be a preferable build up to me too. Well said.