Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Marvel united]

When you are wiping away the slate from 20 years of films and building the franchise from the ground up again, the key, most essential elements need to be established first. This is not X-Men 9 years into their MCU tenure, this is them building the mythos from the ground up. You need a Cyclops, you need a Storm, you need a Jean Grey, you need an Xavier. You need the bar essential elements: the framing and foundation, before you build the house. That's why Homecoming still had an Aunt May, a Flash and an "MJ" even if she was nothing like the source material. Feige still recognizes the importance of that dynamic and Jean is in a higher league than supporting Spider-Man characters.

Jean is not like Wolverine -- who has been the *lead of 7 FILMS. She doesn't have an overexposure problem, She just needs to be nursed back to health along with the X-Men brand itself which is undoubtedly damaged right now. They ALL healing

 

[sleekstereo]

But we're talking about laying the very foundation of X-Men in the MCU. Their introduction. It doesn't seem right without her to me.

It's not right without her. Out of the original 5, Jean and Cyclops are the essential characters.

 

[Jordacar]

As far as reviving Jean for the MCU, remember that it was only 2 summers between Amazing Spidey 2 and the webhead's debut in Civil War. Feige and company can wait as long (or as little) as they like.

 

[Bayne]

hopefully mid 20s to early 30s for the role of Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Gambit, Colossus, Nightcrawler, the Beast, Polaris, Dazzler, White Queen, Bishop, Havok, Forge and Banshee.

Jubilee, Iceman and Shadowcat should be the younger ones.

Banshee is really supposed to be older than the rest of them. I mean, if (like Fox) you just want to have him fly around a bit and never mean anything, then sure, make him just another classmate. But if you want to do anything with his family (long running feud with brother, estranged daughter who's nearly grown already) or his history (distinguished career in Interpol), then he should be closer to Xavier's age than to the other X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

Sounds fair, and no I just don't want him to fly around.

 

[Dark Raven]

As far as reviving Jean for the MCU, remember that it was only 2 summers between Amazing Spidey 2 and the webhead's debut in Civil War. Feige and company can wait as long (or as little) as they like.

Jean: Only 2 summers to get through!

Scott: Are you fooling around with my brother as well??

 

[kevork89]

Just a little thought for discussion I remember after watching Captain Marvel I found it interesting they end with her wearing a leather brown jacket. My inner X-Men/Rogue fan hopes it’s a nod to the eventual story to tell there between the two characters. Maybe Rogue takes that jacket. I know I’m just dreaming here but did anyone else have that thought?

 

[Abudefduf]

You're not the only one but I just don't see how it would make sense.

"AAARGH I just absorbed this woman's memories! Oh, the pain! The pain is unbearable! Her jacket looks nice though, I think I'll take it!"

With that said... I dare anyone to look at this unused CM design and not think of Rogue.

With a few tweaks it would become the perfect live action costume for Rogue.

 

[kevork89]

Glad I’m not the only one

 

[Dark Raven]

Just as well they didn't give us that design, otherwise when it came to Rogue they'd think they've already used something too similar. Maybe someone thought it looked like Rogue as well and then decided it's best not to use that for CM.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Shuri]

After Dark Phoenix, Jean Grey is rather toxic. Marvel should let her rest in peace when the franchise is rebooted. Put the focus on Storm and the myriad other female mutants instead of going back to that poisoned well again. Jean and her massive psychological problems can rise from the ashes (again) in a decade or so.

This! Focus on Storm and the others that hardly got any screentime.

 

[Shuri]

I don't like that we're having this discussion. Because of Dark Phoenix, I'm now afraid that Marvel will go all Spider-Man Homecoming on the X-Men.

I wouldn't blame them if they do. MCU Xmen has to be very different from FoX-men. I wish Dark Phoenix was never released.

 

[EnDz0n3]

This 4-part series was fun enough, good enough to pass the time, until in the 3rd video that showcased Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely's New X-men run, one of the interviewees (who IIRC was a Marvel Editor during Frank's run) was quoted as saying: "Frank Quitely is quite possibly the Greatest Comic Book Artist Alive...and maybe of all time."

Ok I'll go watch this part 4 now and see what other hyperbolic stuff they say in this one.

 

[Abudefduf]

I wouldn't blame them if they do. MCU Xmen has to be very different from FoX-men. I wish Dark Phoenix was never released.

I really hope Disney is considering releasing New Mutants on Disney+, especially since Kinberg is apparently in charge of the reshoots?

Just let Dark Phoenix be the end of the Fox-Men franchise. I don't want to wait four phases before seeing Magik on the big screen.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Just let Dark Phoenix be the end of the Fox-Men franchise. I don't want to wait four phases before seeing Magik on the big screen.

How closely are the New Mutants comics associated with the X-brand? Are they closer, for example, than Deadpool? The Dark Phoenix film has obviously been touted as the end of Fox's X-films, and yet I still see discussion over whether or not New Mutants will be released. If NM is released, would that not be the last of the Fox X-films? I realise that the NM movie doesn't feature the X-films cast, but is it technically supposed to be part of the same world?

 

[Abudefduf]

If NM is released, would that not be the last of the Fox X-films? I realise that NM doesn't feature the X-films cast, but is it not part of the same world?

Yes and yes and that's why I don't see any point in releasing it. What's worse is that, according to rumors, the movie itself is not even that good and in need of reshoots.

One more reason to shelve it would be that the NM team features Marvel's only high profile (relatively speaking) Native American superheroine, a character who also happens to be the team leader.

She checks so many woke boxes that I can't imagine Disney would be happy seeing her reputation being tainted by a bad movie.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yes and yes and that's why I don't see any point in releasing it. What's worse is that, according to rumors, the movie itself is not even that good and in need of reshoots.

One more reason to shelve it would be that the NM team features Marvel's only high profile (relatively speaking) Native American superheroine, a character who also happens to be the team leader.

She checks so many woke boxes that I can't imagine Disney would be happy seeing her reputation being tainted by a bad movie.

Okay, thanks. Yes, the trailer for NM did feel like a pretty generic, DtV haunted house movie. Shame. The supposed 'horror' angle interested me when I first heard of it.

 

[sleekstereo]

Yes and yes and that's why I don't see any point in releasing it. What's worse is that, according to rumors, the movie itself is not even that good and in need of reshoots.

If I remember correctly, the test screening for NM went really well, but audience feedback was that they wished it was more scary rather it being a young adult film. Which made Fox push it back to do reshoots.

 

[Marvel united]

God help the fandom if Marvel goes ful-on Homecoming. We could end up with something almost nothing like the source material at all. Another FC mixing and matching but with no light at the end.

I am a huge fan of Tom Holland's Spider-Man but I heavily dislike the way they handled the world around him. It's basically unrecognizable

 

[HexualCirce]

One of the major reasons why Dark Phoenix didn't work is because these are not stories that you can tell in the span of one movie. Even Bryan Singer knew this while doing the original films. He planted it subtly in the first movie. Then, in the second movie, you saw Jean struggling with it and by the end she was engulfed in flames ultimately sacrificing herself to save the team. Singer was going to shoot the third and fourth back to back to complete the Phoenix storyline. That would have been four movies in total. Sure there were never going to be Shi'ar and it really wouldn't have been the "Phoenix Force" of the comics, but it would have been a fleshed out and complete story.

But if there's one thing we know it's that the MCU does not rush their big stories. So whatever plotline they do want to use for their X-Men, at least we know that it won't be a rushed mess.

 

[Abudefduf]

but audience feedback was that they wished it was more scary rather it being a young adult film. Which made Fox push it back to do reshoots.

Weird, I remember reading the opposite, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[Marvel united]

- Cyclops
- Storm
- M
- Forge
- Dust
- Triage

We'd get a roster like that if Marvel went Full-on Homecoming and overreacted to the failure of Dark Phoenix

 

[TheVileOne]

Laura as Wolverine. Just saying

Wolverine represents toxic masculinity.

 

[EnDz0n3]

If I remember correctly, the test screening for NM went really well, but audience feedback was that they wished it was more scary rather it being a young adult film. Which made Fox push it back to do reshoots.

You don't seriously believe that do you? A studio is not going to delay a movie if it was good.

I've just mentioned this in the Dark Phoenix thread. I remember the rumblings after the Dark Phoenix early screenings was it was a disaster but there was a contingent of the fandom (isn't there always?) saying the movie was good but Fox wanted better. Fox is not going to delay a movie, twice, add millions of dollars to the already bloated budget (it was $150Mil by that time) if the movie was already good.