Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Gamma Goliath]

Keke Palmer is a mediocre actress imo. I'd still take keke lane.

 

[fan4stic]

I always had Steinfeld pegged as Kitty.

I did have that fancast. But she's getting older than my age preferences for the characters. Soon, she may qualify for my preference of Jean fancastingin age.

 

[SumT]

Nick Robinson as Scott
Olivia Cooke as Jean
Keke Palmer as Ororo
Dev Patel as Hank
John Boyega as Warren
Tiffany Espensen as Jubilee
Hailee Steinfeld as Rogue
Charlie Rowe as Kurt
Odeya Rush as Kitty
Jacob Elordi as Piotr

its crazy how almost none resembles the comic character, if not all. Its like if some execs picked the names from a bag. No offense.

 

[JamesHOWLETT]

Feige said mutants because he was referring to the entire species, and how they will be brought into the MCU as a whole. He clarified this in an interview after the stage presentation.

Link?

This sounds, uh, a lot like Bryan Singer's conception of the X-Men (an underground clad where the X-Men are mysterious figures acting as a covert black-ops group) and I'm sure Feige will want to get away from that for differentiation. The X-Men are paramilitary in how they are trained but they are still superheroes. That's what was missing from Singer's grounded, dark vision.

I do not think there is a way (barring making them another group entirely) that they can avoid at least some overlap. I think they have to differentiate them from The Avengers too. It cannot come across like Avenger-lite because people will see through that.

The Guardians are totally different tonally than Avengers X-Men have to be that much more different to show why they are shunned from society yet another group doing essentially the same thing is praised.

But this is amazing. The perfect way to establish their origin stories and the dramatic need that binds the X-Men together as a team: control. Learning how to control and master their powers, which in turn can be the wider thread of them learning to control their destiny and define who they are and what they're gonna stand for in the MCU, and juxtaposed against what, exactly.

Is it the evil mutants who would do humanity harm, is it mutant hating bigots who attack the innocent whose only fault is being born with the X-Factor in their genome, or is it the Government who seeks to tear them down through bureaucratic means. Is it all of the above?

These are the type of questions a film focused on the X-Men as characters/protagonists instead of an entity or idea (like they were in the Singer films) should be raising and answering, with emotionally dramatic resonance. A journey for these characters

You have a lot of great ideas and you approach the X-Men from a practical story standpoint which I can appreciate

Thanks a lot, man, I think that Feige really needs to find a way to wrap up who the characters are and set up their place in the MCU very concisely in order for the GA to be able to follow. They are so different from anything that has come before so they need to be able to hit the ground running then build from there as they go. A tall order for sure!

Good point about Singer. He did seem to be more fixated on the ideas and not as much the actual practice of the advocacy of special interest groups. I am not going to lie I do not know if Feige and co. can match Singers cerebral (pun totally intended) ideological pieces and the emotional weight those movies had. We all know that he can make more epic, sweeping political thriller aspects as he has proven time and time again in his previous films.

Ideally, I would prefer a mix of both but if he does what he normally does well I will

I'd take these:

it is interesting that I prefer his original sketches more than the full renders above.
here is his early drafts:


they seem more durable looking in the sketches and practical. Also much less busy imo

 

[MilkmanDan]

I did have that fancast. But she's getting older than my age preferences for the characters. Soon, she may qualify for my preference of Jean fancastingin age.

Steinfeld does make more sense as Rogue than Kitty at this point. But Odeya Rush feels too old as well. Kitty really should be the kid of the team. Which is tough to cast especially when we're talking about a movie that's not even in the making yet.

 

[Marvel united]

Personally, I'd prefer Marvel cast a child actress to play Kitty Pryde. Someone 12-16 years of age so Kitty/her actress can grow up in real-time over the course of the films. Ditto for Jubilee.

I wouldn't even know where to begin to look if this film is as far away as we've been led to believe

Link?

Marvel's Kevin Feige Says MCU X-Men Will Be 'Quite Different' Than Fox Movies - Comic Con 2019 - IGN

Here he clarifies what he meant which was the mutants as a whole. Deadpool also falls under this umbrella

There was another Brazilian interview I saw where he mentioned the X-Men and mutants as separate entities "but both are coming to the MCU" I'm having trouble finding

I do not think there is a way (barring making them another group entirely) that they can avoid at least some overlap. I think they have to differentiate them from The Avengers too. It cannot come across like Avenger-lite because people will see through that.

The Guardians are totally different tonally than Avengers X-Men have to be that much more different to show why they are shunned from society yet another group doing essentially the same thing is praised.

That's true and I too want the X-Men to have a visually distinctive style. I've mentioned before the use of electronic instruments i.e XM:TAS and XM:E to give the X-Men their own unique flavor.

The X-Men films are gonna be different from the Avengers film just by virtue of them bolstering a group of heroes who are hated and despised by the public. That's something we've never seen in the MCU and I think Marvel can use the Avengers to juxtapose what the X-Men are experiencing in this film

I've always seen colorful outfits as almost a message and metaphor for the world the X-Men navigate. They wear these costumes because they are reminding the public that they are heroes -- and they are the lights shining in a dark world full of hate and intolerance. The outfits are a statement in itself, that mutants can be a force for good. This is the message Joss Whedon was trying to convey in Astonishing



In the context of the MCU, the X-Men want to be heroes and in the MCU, the Avengers are the most fleeting example of this so they adopt the same mentality behind their uniforms. They wanna represent the same thing the Avengers have over the last 10 years of the MCU-- but the reaction to them won't be the same. And this can be the very beginnings of the X-Men's strained relationship with the Avengers-- the hypocrisy.

Thanks a lot, man, I think that Feige really needs to find a way to wrap up who the characters are and set up their place in the MCU very concisely in order for the GA to be able to follow. They are so different from anything that has come before so they need to be able to hit the ground running then build from there as they go. A tall order for sure!

Good point about Singer. He did seem to be more fixated on the ideas and not as much the actual practice of the advocacy of special interest groups. I am not going to lie I do not know if Feige and co. can match Singers cerebral (pun totally intended) ideological pieces and the emotional weight those movies had. We all know that he can make more epic, sweeping political thriller aspects as he has proven time and time again in his previous films.

The Singer films became so self-serious that they forgot that the X-Men were superheroes. I don't remember one scene from the OT or DOFP/XMA where the X-Men worked as a team unit to save civilians. Showing this is important, because it establishes that the X-Men are bonafide heroes who save lives, both direct and indirectly-- its important for civilians to see. In the Singer films, the X-Men are viewed through the lense of either Logan or Charles or Humanity. They are basically specters in their own movies, because it's not about them- it's not about THEIR journey. It's about Wolverine or Charles.

I asked myself who in their right mind would greenlit a Dark Phoenix adaptation with an underdeveloped Jean Grey and X-Men? And I kept asking myself, what is the reasoning? And then I realized, it's not about the X-Men- it's about Charles, Erik and Raven. That is the emotional quadrant the filmmakers are drawing from, because those 3 are the characters whose journey and arc we spent 3 movies following. And it all made sense after that.

Dark Phoenix is about how Jean's corruption affects the relationships between those 3 characters, it is meant to be the conclusion to THEIR arcs, not the X-Men.

I consider Logan as the Fox X-Men's universe equivalent to Endgame, because Wolverine has been the centerpiece of these films since they began and his journey of self discovery- "Who/What am I?" Is the one we followed for 17 years up to that point. The emotional investment people had in this character was why Logan was such an emotional film. It really hit me hard because It took me back to 2000, only 10 years old and eagerly awaiting the X-Men's first film. Truly the end of an era and I wish the franchise ended with Logan

What Feige has done is create a story engine where characters can have these long, multi-film arcs that see growth and evolution but culminate into a much bigger picture.

I'm excited to see this applied to the X-Men, just based on the fact that the MCU has a much bigger platform to use for these characters. A whole new generation of kids are gonna grow up with the X-Men as their heroes. And I hope we can finally see the world from their POV as opposed to seeing them from the world's POV i.e OT

its crazy how almost none resembles the comic character, if not all. Its like if some execs picked the names from a bag. No offense.

almost like flesh & blood actors are not drawn by comic book artists

 

[fan4stic]

its crazy how almost none resembles the comic character, if not all. Its like if some execs picked the names from a bag. No offense.

I think most is not unclose. Some I prefer based on me thinking they fit what I prefer for the characters.

Steinfeld does make more sense as Rogue than Kitty at this point. But Odeya Rush feels too old as well. Kitty really should be the kid of the team. Which is tough to cast especially when we're talking about a movie that's not even in the making yet.

Personally, I'd prefer Marvel cast a child actress to play Kitty Pryde. Someone 12-16 years of age so Kitty/her actress can grow up in real-time over the course of the films. Ditto for Jubilee.

I think Kitty is more fitting as close to Spider-Man's age.

 

[psylockolussus]

Heilee Steinfeld would be a big miscast as Rogue.

 

[JamesHOWLETT]

I think Kitty needs to be about Peter's age too. Jubilee can be obiously younger than that though.Also I am glad fans do not cast MCU movies because I have yet to see a good fancast all around ever for the X-Men (Fantastic Four is a diffrent story).

I wouldn't even know where to begin to look if this film is as far away as we've been led to believe

Marvel's Kevin Feige Says MCU X-Men Will Be 'Quite Different' Than Fox Movies - Comic Con 2019 - IGN

Here he clarifies what he meant which was the mutants as a whole. Deadpool also falls under this umbrella

There was another Brazilian interview I saw where he mentioned the X-Men and mutants as separate entities "but both are coming to the MCU" I'm having trouble finding

That does not negate what I am saying could be true to the contrary. Why did he not just refer to them as X-Men? He did not refer to FF as the "First Family" so I am not buying that it was not strategic because everything he does is strategic. He has months to prepar for those presentations do you really think he is going to make such a slip if the tongue? It is unlikey.

That's true and I too want the X-Men to have a visually distinctive style. I've mentioned before the use of electronic instruments i.e XM:TAS and XM:E to give the X-Men their own unique flavor.

The X-Men films are gonna be different from the Avengers film just by virtue of them bolstering a group of heroes who are hated and despised by the public. That's something we've never seen in the MCU and I think Marvel can use the Avengers to juxtapose what the X-Men are experiencing in this film

I've always seen colorful outfits as almost a message and metaphor for the world the X-Men navigate. They wear these costumes because they are reminding the public that they are heroes -- and they are the lights shining in a dark world full of hate and intolerance. The outfits are a statement in itself, that mutants can be a force for good. This is the message Joss Whedon was trying to convey in Astonishing

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In the context of the MCU, the X-Men want to be heroes and in the MCU, the Avengers are the most fleeting example of this so they adopt the same mentality behind their uniforms. They wanna represent the same thing the Avengers have over the last 10 years of the MCU-- but the reaction to them won't be the same. And this can be the very beginnings of the X-Men's strained relationship with the Avengers-- the hypocrisy.



The Singer films became so self-serious that they forgot that the X-Men were superheroes. I don't remember one scene from the OT or DOFP/XMA where the X-Men worked as a team unit to save civilians. Showing this is important, because it establishes that the X-Men are bonafide heroes who save lives, both direct and indirectly-- its important for civilians to see. In the Singer films, the X-Men are viewed through the lense of either Logan or Charles or Humanity. They are basically specters in their own movies, because it's not about them- it's not about THEIR journey. It's about Wolverine or Charles.

I asked myself who in their right mind would greenlit a Dark Phoenix adaptation with an underdeveloped Jean Grey and X-Men? And I kept asking myself, what is the reasoning? And then I realized, it's not about the X-Men- it's about Charles, Erik and Raven. That is the emotional quadrant the filmmakers are drawing from, because those 3 are the characters whose journey and arc we spent 3 movies following. And it all made sense after that.

Dark Phoenix is about how Jean's corruption affects the relationships between those 3 characters, it is meant to be the conclusion to THEIR arcs, not the X-Men.

I consider Logan as the Fox X-Men's universe equivalent to Endgame, because Wolverine has been the centerpiece of these films since they began and his journey of self discovery- "Who/What am I?" Is the one we followed for 17 years up to that point. The emotional investment people had in this character was why Logan was such an emotional film. It really hit me hard because It took me back to 2000, only 10 years old and eagerly awaiting the X-Men's first film. Truly the end of an era and I wish the franchise ended with Logan

What Feige has done is create a story engine where characters can have these long, multi-film arcs that see growth and evolution but culminate into a much bigger picture.

I'm excited to see this applied to the X-Men, just based on the fact that the MCU has a much bigger platform to use for these characters. A whole new generation of kids are gonna grow up with the X-Men as their heroes. And I hope we can finally see the world from their POV as opposed to seeing them from the world's POV i.e OT

You just contradicted yourself again in record time. You say you think the X-Men should have their own distinctive look only to make a case for them to be Avenger's copycats all within the same breath. So which is it?

 

[Marvel united]

I think Kitty needs to be about Peter's age too. Jubilee can be obiously younger than that though.Also I am glad fans do not cast MCU movies because I have yet to see a good fancast all around ever for the X-Men (Fantastic Four is a diffrent story).

Kitty being Peter's age could have worked if Disney acquired Fox's assets 3 years earlier than they did and they were able to establish an Ultimate Spider-Man-esque dynamic (since I assume this is what you are thinking of)

But it doesn't work now, because Peter is on his way out of High-school and by the time the X-Men actually show up, (lets say in 2024)- he'll be 20 at minimum assuming Marvel lets him age in real time after graduation.

That does not negate what I am saying could be true to the contrary. Why did he not just refer to them as X-Men? He did not refer to FF as the "First Family" so I am not buying that it was not strategic because everything he does is strategic. He has months to prepar for those presentations do you really think he is going to make such a slip if the tongue? It is unlikey.

Well, because he wasn't referring to the X-Men, he waa referring to mutants as a whole. He says in the video I linked to you that he puts Deadpool in the same general category as "mutants" too since Wade Wilson is an X-Universe character. Does that mean Deadpool 3 is gonna be called "The mutant with a mouth"-? No, I don't think so.

The Fantastic Four are the Fantastic Four, they don't exist under a larger brand made of many different subsidiary branches (I.e Deadpool, Wolverine, New Mutants, X-Force etc) like the X-Men do. So I agree that it was strategic, but in the sense that he's focused on firmly establishing the mutant species first- in the wider MCU, before he gets to the X-Men.

For the record, one of many ideas I've had for reimagining the X-Men in the MCU is similar to what you have in mind.

Spoiler

I'd have them (the Original 5 specifically) be kids recruited into an underground Government program (Headlined by what's left of SHIELD) that weaponizes their powers and turns them into child soldiers. Think Hawkins Lab from Stranger Things.




Charles Xavier being the world's foremost leading geneticist on the "X-Gene hypothesis"-- would be brought on by the Government to be a part of this "Department X" branch & train these kids. Over the years, he'd form a close bond with the kids and grow to resent how they are being treated in these facilities. They'd do many secret missions together.

The final mission ends in tragedy as they go up against Magneto and his Brotherhood. Xavier (with Moira MacTaggert's help) locks Erik's mind but loses the use of his legs during the fight-- and the X-Men (who were teasingly mocked in the facilities as "X-Babies" or "X-Kids" over the years) are now legal adults, refuse to continue the program.

So Xavier walks away with his students and we pick up a year later after this prologue. Xavier has started his own school and we have a new team of mutants.

A major theme in the story could be about taking control of your own destiny and 'Being who YOU wanna be; being true to thyself- and not letting other people tell you who you are and what your purpose is."

The X-Men are creating their own identity and taking charge of their own destiny. We'll see what that destiny entails & where it takes them in their journey through the MCU.

Also the Government could use the data collected from their time in the program to help builld anti-mutant weapons in future films

You just contradicted yourself again in record time. You say you think the X-Men should have their own distinctive look only to make a case for them to be Avenger's copycats all within the same breath. So which is it?

I said the movie itself should have it's own style & aesthetic, that is different from the Avengers which is why I mentioned score as that's one element of a film that goes a long way in establishing it's identity.

But that's different from the in-story, in-universe justification for why the X-Men would wear colorful costumes. And that is because they want to at least attempt to make public feel safe and secure when they are out superheroing, so they look to the definite image of a "superhero" in media. In the MCU, that image is going to be that of the Avengers. Spider-Man too was inspired them because it makes sense in the context of this universe.

Now obviously, the X-Men's attempt to be heroes does not work out in their favor -- Feared and hated, and all that jazz. But if you want a logical justification for why they'd wear such "Garish" outfits then there's your reason

 

[BoredGuy]

I could see the moment from Astonishing X-Men #1 being adapted

Cold open, The X-Men on mission, all in black Morrison-esque outfits
then at some point in the film, Cyclops says ""All this black leather is scaring people, like were some sort of militia...let's show em we're superheroes"

it would also be a not-so-subtle jab at the Fox films, as an added bonus

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I just don't want Storm so covered up, but don't want her outfit to be ho-ish either.

Let's give the mohawk a break too.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah not until the sequel at the earliest, and no mohawks unless there willing to go full punk rock with it
none of this fashion-y fauxhawk bulls**t

 

[Iceman]

Yeah not until the sequel at the earliest, and no mohawks unless there willing to go full punk rock with it
none of this fashion-y fauxhawk bulls**t

Punk-Hawk or go home.

 

[Fincher]

Punk-Hawk or go home.

No-Hawk or go home.

 

[Marvel united]

IMO the mohawk has to be earned. It's not just a fashion statement, it represents the death of Ororo's innocence and the much darker, depressives outlook on life that comes as a result. It's also synonymous with the story where she lost her powers and went on a quest to find herself again (Lifedeath).

XMA Storm gave her the mohawk because they wanted to switch up her look but they ignored the context of what it meant to her character which just goes to show how Ororo was a third-tier character in her own film.

The same thing happens to Angel with them introducing a version of him & then turning him into Archangel just because it looked cool I guess. Shame because Warren's struggle with his own humanity is what makes Archangel a great character

 

[Detective Conan]

Would you guys be interested in having Sir Patrick Stewart reprise the role of Professor X for the MCU? I wouldn’t as I thought he had the perfect send off with Logan and I want an actor who I think will be playing the role for another decade. Stewart is 79. He’s too old at this point

Plus, I’m eager for a brand new interpretation of Professor X beyond the sagacious, caring, British mentor. I want an Xavier who’s a bit strict and controlling, and is a flawed mentor who’s willing to make morally dubious choices from time to time in service of what he perceives is for the greater good.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I just want brand new X-Men from the ground up. No remnants of the Fox-Men, give us something all new and all different.

 

[Fincher]

I'm a fan of the Fox movies who's concerned about what changes they might make, but I still think they should start fresh in terms of actors. I mean, except with Deadpool.

 

[Marvel united]

Would you guys be interested in having Sir Patrick Stewart reprise the role of Professor X for the MCU? I wouldn’t as I thought he had the perfect send off with Logan and I want an actor who I think will be playing the role for another decade. Stewart is 79. He’s too old at this point

Plus, I’m eager for a brand new interpretation of Professor X beyond the sagacious, caring, British mentor. I want an Xavier who’s a bit strict and controlling, and is a flawed mentor who’s willing to make morally dubious choices from time to time in service of what he perceives is for the greater good.

Yeah, I wouldn't be up for this. Aside from the age problem, how would this work, exactly? How would Stewart's Xavier end up in the MCU? I wonder if Feige really asked him if he wanted to return.

 

[Darkprime]

Yeah, I wouldn't be up for this. Aside from the age problem, how would this work, exactly? How would Stewart's Xavier end up in the MCU? I wonder if Feige really asked him if he wanted to return.

The multiverse exists....you know I almost want Feige to merge the Fox X-Men into the MCU just to see the **** storm fan reaction. it would be hilarious lol. "the mcu is screwed now, omg they didn't reboot, Feige likes the fox x-men, the sky is falling!" People would get over it eventually if it happened because going forward anything X-men will be produced by Feige and then people will immediately call the foxverse good now which will be hilarious after years of the fandom hating on it but if lord Feige approved it, it means it must be good.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

We don't need that kind of energy for the X-Men in the MCU, and quite frankly a few of those mutants in the FOX series were miscast and the stories were all over the place. Just start fresh and get a new cast of people and let Feige do his thing. Down the line if they want cameos in the multiverse from Patrick's Xavier, Ian's Magneto or Hugh's Wolverine so be it.

But let's get fresh blood.

 

[Darkprime]

We don't need that kind of energy for the X-Men in the MCU, and quite frankly a few of those mutants in the FOX series were miscast and the stories were all over the place. Just start fresh and get a new cast of people and let Feige do his thing. Down the line if they want cameos in the multiverse from Patrick's Xavier, Ian's Magneto or Hugh's Wolverine so be it.

But let's get fresh blood.

But what if lord Feige decides not to reboot?

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

But what if lord Feige decides not to reboot?

Then he'd be a fool.

But you know good and well he's gonna reboot. That man has been waiting to make X-Men since he got his superpowers, he'll build them from the ground up.

 

[Darkprime]

Then he'd be a fool.

But you know good and well he's gonna reboot. That man has been waiting to make X-Men since he got his superpowers, he'll build them from the ground up.

Didn't he have a hand in making the 1st couple of x-men movies tho? Maybe hes nostalgic towards them? There's an entire universe already established here with the Fox X-Men. Rebooting a franchise always comes with risks. Financial risks etc. Will the audience connect with the new actors and storylines etc. Maybe Feige feels a sense of duty to try and salvage the the Foxverse who knows?