Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[ALittlePush]

And yeah, I want Kitty as the POV character for the MCU. Having a 10 year journey with her would be amazing.

I didn't like Ellen Page's Kitty Pryde so if they did do an MCU version of the character, I hope they find someone who can make the character a bit more cheerful and less mopey.

So even if Marvel doesn't do a coming out story with Bobby, they can still firmly establish him as gay. He's just out, has a boyfriend. Maybe they could even deal with his intersecting identities, and how that shapes a unique experience for him

I think it would be better if he was already out and it was just treated as normal rather than having attention drawn to it. For example, a group of them go to the cinema with their partners and Bobby's partner just happens to be male (perhaps the partner could even be the gay character from Endgame- no major attention needed but just a nice little easter egg).

I just hope the MCU doesn't turn the X-Men woke. They're already a diverse group and tick boxes as a result, the audience doesn't need beating around the head with identity politics.

Question: If Bobby is famously gay in the comics, why was he made straight in the Fox movies? Is him being gay a recent development?

 

[EnDz0n3]

For example, a group of them go to the cinema with their partners and Bobby's partner just happens to be male (perhaps the partner could even be the gay character from Endgame- no major attention needed but just a nice little easter egg).

Joe Russo is 50 years old, his date would've been around the same age. How old did you expect Bobby to be if he's dating that same person???

I am comfortable saying that China being a big chunk of the market, what with being a repressive tyranny actively engaged in both the ethnic cleansing of millions *and* foreign expansionism, is entirely unfortunate. *cough*

Meh, I'm not going to fault 1.3 Billion Chinese people (buying movie tickets, supporting movies they enjoy) for what their repressive government does.

 

[ALittlePush]

Joe Russo is 50 years old, his date would've been around the same age. How old did you expect Bobby to be if he's dating that same person???

They could play this one of three ways:

1. Have an older Bobby, maybe late 30s/early 40s.
2. Have Bobby wanting a sugar daddy.
3. Since this was during the snap when half of the universe was wiped out for 5 years, just say the dating pool was limited.

 

[Lip]

On a side note, I'm curious as to who you would cast as Kitty

I don't think I have anybody on mind right now, but I'd like to see a great actress and very young, around 13.

Millie Bobby Brown was my pick for a long time, but she will be almost 20 when Kitty is introduced, probably. Maybe Brooklyn Prince then? She'll be around 13/14 and we know she can lead a movie. She's the only one that comes to mind right now.

 

[EnDz0n3]

They could play this one of three ways:

1. Have an older Bobby, maybe late 30s/early 40s.
2. Have Bobby wanting a sugar daddy.
3. Since this was during the snap when half of the universe was wiped out for 5 years, just say the dating pool was limited.

Jesus. So there's only 3 gay people on all of earth in the MCU?

 

[ALittlePush]

Jesus. So there's only 3 gay people on all of earth in the MCU?

No, those 3 scenarios were specifically for why Bobby might be dating Joe Russo's character.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Question: If Bobby is famously gay in the comics, why was he made straight in the Fox movies? Is him being gay a recent development?

the character was only first revealed to be gay in 2015

(tho Ironically the scene in the movies of him revealing he's a mutant to his parents, did play-out like a "coming out" moment, the director himself even said that's what he based the scene on) I wonder if that in any way influenced the later comic reveal?

I don't think I have anybody on mind right now, but I'd like to see a great actress and very young, around 13.

Millie Bobby Brown was my pick for a long time, but she will be almost 20 when Kitty is introduced, probably. Maybe Brooklyn Prince then? She'll be around 13/14 and we know she can lead a movie. She's the only one that comes to mind right now.

one of my picks for a slightly older/teenage Kitty was, Emilia Jones(18)

but if were talking about starting her off that young (tho, it's hard to predict where child actors might be in even just a couple years/ or how they'll develop/grow into their looks) I might say, Julia Butters? idk

 

[Marvel united]

I just hope the MCU doesn't turn the X-Men woke. They're already a diverse group and tick boxes as a result, the audience doesn't need beating around the head with identity politics.

Bruh, X-Men's always been woke. It was, at it's peak, Marvel's most progressive mainstream comic; their go-to venue for expressing socio-political ideas through the prism of mutants.

Identity politics is the premise of the franchise.

I don't think I have anybody on mind right now, but I'd like to see a great actress and very young, around 13.

Millie Bobby Brown was my pick for a long time, but she will be almost 20 when Kitty is introduced, probably. Maybe Brooklyn Prince then? She'll be around 13/14 and we know she can lead a movie. She's the only one that comes to mind right now.

the character was only first revealed to be gay in 2015

(tho Ironically the scene in the movies of him revealing he's a mutant to his parents, did play-out like a "coming out" moment, the director himself even said that's what he based the scene on) I wonder if that in any way influenced the later comic reveal?


one of my picks for a slightly older/teenage Kitty was, Emilia Jones(18)

but if were talking about starting her off that young (tho, it's hard to predict where child actors might be in even just a couple years/ or how they'll develop/grow into their looks) I might say, Julia Butters? idk
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Both of these picks seem like promising young actresses who could be a great Kitty in the future

 

[EnDz0n3]

No, those 3 scenarios were specifically for why Bobby might be dating Joe Russo's character.

You'd rather make a character, Iceman, either:
(1) older, when he's most often than not depicted the youngest out of his peers;
(2) a twink sugarbaby looking for a sugardaddy (Joe Russo);
(3) one of only 3 gays in the whole entire world on account of half the world was snapped away;
simply because you don't want to introduce a 4th gay character. Got it.

 

[ALittlePush]

the character was only first revealed to be gay in 2015

Was it always hinted that he might be gay and it was just confirmed or was it a case where the revelation seemed to come out of the blue?

Bruh, X-Men's always been woke. It was, at it's peak, Marvel's most progressive mainstream comic; their go-to venue for expressing socio-political ideas through the prism of mutants.

Identity politics is the premise of the franchise.

X-Men has always dealt with the issue of racism, that is true, however it was never "woke" about it. Humans vs mutants where some mutants hate humans (Magneto's brotherhood), some humans hate mutants (Graydon Creed's FOH) both groups provoke fear of the other on both sides whilst some mutants and humans respect each other etc. However, there was always a sense of unity in that it didn't matter if you were black, white, or literally blue, you were discriminated against because of what you were not because of what colour you were.

Take Storm for example (who is almost certain to be a "face" of the MCU), she's a black female mutant. Her being discriminated against because she's a mutant is enough, you don't need to add it's because she's black and a woman on top of that. I don't want her to be bleating about how she's treated worse than other mutants because of her being black and being a woman and about how Cyclops, Wolverine, Gambit etc don't have it so hard because they're straight white males so the discrimination they get isn't as bad etc. That's what I mean about making the X-Men "woke" and identity politics.

Storm is so much more than her race and gender. Let's not make those traits the sum of her character because it's the "woke" thing to do.

You'd rather make a character, Iceman, either:
(1) older, when he's most often than not depicted the youngest out of his peers;
(2) a twink sugarbaby looking for a sugardaddy (Joe Russo);
(3) one of only 3 gays in the whole entire world on account of half the world was snapped away;
simply because you don't want to introduce a 4th gay character. Got it.

I don't know where you're getting that I seem to think there was only 3 gays in the entire world during the snap from? I suggested the character from Endgame could be Bobby's established boyfriend, you asked how that would work given the age gap (I didn't realise Russo was in his 50s), I gave suggestions for how they could explain it. It was relating to that specific character or are you suggesting that Thanos' snap predominately affected gay men and that Thanos should be considered somewhat homophobic?

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah no to Iceman dating the cameo character from Endgame. That's a pointless development that makes no sense. We don't need to connect everything.

 

[Marvel united]

Was it always hinted that he might be gay and it was just confirmed or was it a case where the revelation seemed to come out of the blue?

I seem to recall there being hints that Bobby was in the closet throughout 90s.

X-Men has always dealt with the issue of racism, that is true, however it was never "woke" about it. Humans vs mutants where some mutants hate humans (Magneto's brotherhood), some humans hate mutants (Graydon Creed's FOH) both groups provoke fear of the other on both sides whilst some mutants and humans respect each other etc. However, there was always a sense of unity in that it didn't matter if you were black, white, or literally blue, you were discriminated against because of what you were not because of what colour you were.

Take Storm for example (who is almost certain to be a "face" of the MCU, she's a black female mutant. Her being discriminated against because she's a mutant is enough, you don't need to add it's because she's black and a woman on top of that. I don't want her to be bleating about how she's treated worse than other mutants because of her being black and being a woman and about how Cyclops, Wolverine, Gambit etc don't have it so hard because they're straight white males so the discrimination they get is as bad etc. That's what I mean about making the X-Men "woke" and identity politics.

I don't think rejecting intersectionality is the right way to approach X-Men in 2024.

The mutant gene does not erase someone's race, gender, religion or sexuality; it compounds it. Storm is still a Black woman existing as a Black woman in a system built on anti-blackness. Just as Cyclops, Gambit and Wolverine are all still straight white males whose identities are centered in these institutions at the expense of everyone else.

Their experiences will not the same. Just compare and contrast what happened yesterday in DC:



to 6 months ago:



Privilege is very real. And a modern X-Men adaptation can not, and should not ignore it.

Storm is so much more than her race and gender. Let's not make those traits the sum of her character because it's the "woke" thing to do.

But at the same time, let's not deliberately ignore how Ororo's being a Black woman, and an immigrant, shapes her experience as a mutant.

This is 2021, man, not 1975. We can afford to be a little more intersectional when tackling social justice issues.

 

[ALittlePush]

Yeah no to Iceman dating the cameo character from Endgame. That's a pointless development that makes no sense. We don't need to connect everything.

That was all based on the idea that Iceman is already established as gay and "out" rather than him having to "come out". The cameo character as the boyfriend was just supposed to be a nice little call back to endgame, nothing more.

I don't think rejecting intersectionality is the right way to approach X-Men in 2024.

The mutant gene does not erase someone's race, gender, religion or sexuality; it compounds it. Storm is still a Black woman existing as a Black woman in a system built on anti-blackness. Just as Cyclops, Gambit and Wolverine are all still straight white males whose identities are centered in these institutions at the expense of everyone else.

Is that not saying that just because Storm is black, she has to be a victim of racism, that she can't exist without that victimhood status because of the colour of her skin? Being black=being a victim and nothing more. It doesn't matter what Storm does as a person, she will forever be judged and defined by the colour of her skin or her gender or her sexuality etc.

Why should straight white male characters be vilified just because they were born straight white and male? How are they in any way responsible for what happened centuries before they were even born just because some other straight white men did stuff that is viewed poorly today? It's akin to punishing a white German baby born today for the holocaust just because it was born white and a group of white Germans tried to wipe out Jewish people.

Racism cannot be fought with racism. Cyclops, Gambit, and Wolverine would still be discriminated against because they're mutants, their experience shouldn't be invalidated just because their not the right colour, gender, or sexuality which is considered to be worthy of sympathy. Just because some black people are victims of racism doesn't mean all black people are victims of racism (in some cases the racism is actually coming from people who claim to be anti-racist), just like how just because some straight white men are racist/misogynist/homophobic doesn't mean all straight white men are. However, what seems to be happening at the moment is that whole groups of people are being judged on their genetics rather than as individuals, and if an individual disagrees with the narrative that has been assigned to their genetic group, they're called every name under the sun regardless of what their genetics are.

Their experiences will not the same. Just compare and contrast what happened yesterday in DC:
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to 6 months ago:
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If the second two pics are against BLM then that's not surprising. When BLM are known for their riots and are attacking ordinary police (and a lot of BLM are actually white), I'd expect a harsher response to them because they are repeatedly engaging in acts of criminality, not peaceful protest, and have been for months. They loot and burn down businesses then say "it's just property" but it's not "just property", they've just burnt down someone's livelihood, someone's means for keeping a roof over their family's head and putting food on the table. The employees of that business (Who could be any colour which includes black) would now be without a job and have lost their income. How is that black business owner/employee now going to provide for their family after their business gets looted/ burned down to the ground by people who claim they care about black people but are really just using them as props to justify their actions because it's all about making themselves feel better about themselves.

The incident in the first two pics is not great and reflects badly on Trump Supporters, however this should not be seen as representative of all Trump Supporters, just like BLM should not be seen as representative of all democrats or actual social activists who genuinely want to make a difference. Also it's hypocritical how the media gets up in arms about this incident because it involves Trump supporters and yet is mostly silent about all the BLM riots and calls them "mostly peaceful protests".

How big a part has the media played in the rising tensions in America?

Privilege is very real. And a modern X-Men adaptation can not, and should not ignore it.

The X-Men were all about unity in the face of adversity. It didn't matter where Storm was black or Cyclops white, or Jean was female and Wolverine male etc, they were all united in their experience as mutants. By inserting identity politics into the X-Men despite the fact they already tackle racism as mutants, that unity is stripped away because a hierarchy is being created on who deserves more sympathy than others based on skin colour/gender/sexuality eg Storm gets the most sympathy points because she's black and female, Rogue and Jean get the second dose of sympathy points because they're female, who knows where Beast will be ranked because he's blue, Cyclops and Wolverine get less sympathy points because they're straight white males whilst Gambit probably gets the worst deal because not only is he a straight white male but he's also from the south so his heritage is the most associated with slavery. Xavier might get it worse on the grounds that he's a rich straight white guy but it's playing people off against each other by suggesting that one person's experience is not as valid as that of another based on skin colour/gender/sexuality etc.

But at the same time, let's not deliberately ignore how Ororo's being a Black woman, and an immigrant, shapes her experience as a mutant.

This is 2021, man, not 1975. We can afford to be a little more intersectional when tackling social justice issues.

Why would Storm choose to go to America in the first place if it's so racist and is "a system built on anti-blackness"?

Either that shows a clear lack of research on her part or stupidity.

I think they could do a scene where a black female mutant is being harassed and it looks like it's because she's black or female, but then it turns out it's neither of those things, it's because she's a mutant.

 

[Lip]

Can somebody rip my eyes off, please? Thank you.

 

[Lip]

If Wanda is revealed to be a mutant in WandaVision, I think there's a chance of seeing Xavier in Multiverse of Madness.

 

[ALittlePush]

If Wanda is revealed to be a mutant in WandaVision, I think there's a chance of seeing Xavier in Multiverse of Madness.

Has there been any set pics of a bald guy walking around (between takes)?
Perhaps being snapped has somehow amplified Scarlet Witch's powers?
Maybe she doesn't even realise that she's cast herself into an imaginary reality?

 

[Marvel united]

Is that not saying that just because Storm is black, she has to be a victim of racism, that she can't exist without that victimhood status because of the colour of her skin? Being black=being a victim and nothing more.

In a system of white supremacy, all Black people. All of them. It doesn't matter what status they occupy, every Black person at some point or another, is going to come into contact with these systems. Such is the nature of a system where blackness is vilified because such is purpose of race in this system.

In order for a racial hierarchy to exist, there must be two opposite binaries. One at the top (white) and one at the bottom (black).

It doesn't matter what Storm does as a person, she will forever be judged and defined by the colour of her skin or her gender or her sexuality etc.

Well, yeah. But she didnt choose that. No minority wants to be marginalized, but we play with the cards we are given.

Why should straight white male characters be vilified just because they were born straight white and male? How are they in any way responsible for what happened centuries before they were even born just because some other straight white men did stuff that is viewed poorly today?

They may not be personally responsible, but they still benefit from institutions set up by their forefathers at the expense of others. It's complacency and ignorance that people are fighting against.

Racism cannot be fought with racism. Cyclops, Gambit, and Wolverine would still be discriminated against because they're mutants, their experience shouldn't be invalidated just because their not the right colour, gender, or sexuality which is considered to be worthy of sympathy.

Ofc they would be. In the context of the story, yes. But the context of real-life feeds the context of the story. Without the real-world context of social justice, X-Men would have no defining identity.

Just because some black people are victims of racism doesn't mean all black people are victims of racism (in some cases the racism is actually coming from people who claim to be anti-racist), just like how just because some straight white men are racist/misogynist/homophobic doesn't mean all straight white men are. However, what seems to be happening at the moment is that whole groups of people are being judged on their genetics rather than as individuals, and if an individual disagrees with the narrative that has been assigned to their genetic group, they're called every name under the sun regardless of what their genetics are.

People aren't talking about genetics (at least no one with sense), they're talking about social constructs. Whiteness, Blackness, Man, Woman etc are all social constructs, aren't based in biological fact. They're not real. But that doesn't change the fact that these constructs define the lives of people. Straight white men have privilege simply by virtue of being "default"; society is structured around them.

What you're seeing now are conversations that have been happening for a long time amongst marginalized groups. It's just that the conversation is now at the forefront because the rest of world knows the truth about hate like we do thanks to Trump, and the rise of Right-wing rhetoric.

If the second two pics are against BLM then that's not surprising. When BLM are known for their riots and are attacking ordinary police (and a lot of BLM are actually white), I'd expect a harsher response to them because they are engaging in acts of criminality, not peaceful protest. They loot and burn down businesses then say "it's just property" but it's not "just property", they've just burnt down someone's livelihood, someone's means for keeping a roof over their family's head and putting food on the table. The employees of that business (Who could be any colour which includes black) would now be without a job and have lost their income. How is that black business owner/employee now going to provide for their family after their business gets looted/ burned down to the ground by people who claim they care about black people but are really just using them as props to justify their actions because it's all about making themselves feel better about themselves

1. These protests are lead by BLACK organizers

2. The vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful. I've been to several. Police incite violence in these protests so they can trigger a reaction. The police state is an arm of white supremacy

3. There is no equivalent. BLM is fighting for justice, against injustice, against oppression. Those people who showed to DC yesterday were fighting to overthow democracy. And the only reason they got off easy, the only reason they were handled with kid gloves - is because they're all on the same team. They're all feeding into the same system, of privilege and supremacy

The X-Men were all about unity in the face of adversity. It didn't matter where Storm was black or Cyclops white, or Jean was female and Wolverine male etc, they were all united in their experience as mutants

Well, it matters in 2021. Because it's always mattered. Regardless of who didnt care. Many People are no longer keeping that ignorant energy of not acknowledging people's identities and unique struggles & needs.

Why would Storm choose to go to America in the first place if it's so racist and is "a system built on anti-blackness"?

Either that shows a clear lack of research on her part or stupidity.

Maybe she was brought by Xavier. Maybe she wants to belo the fix the issue. Maybe she's a refugee whose home country was torn to pieces by US Imperialism, thus forcing her to immigrate to states. Who knows.

I think they could do a scene where a black female mutant is being harassed and it looks like it's because she's black or female, but then it turns out it's neither of those things, it's because she's a mutant.

That would be.... Insanely tone deaf.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I don't know where you're getting that I seem to think there was only 3 gays in the entire world during the snap from? I suggested the character from Endgame could be Bobby's established boyfriend, you asked how that would work given the age gap (I didn't realise Russo was in his 50s), I gave suggestions for how they could explain it. It was relating to that specific character or are you suggesting that Thanos' snap predominately affected gay men and that Thanos should be considered somewhat homophobic?

I don't know. You were the one suggesting Joe Russo's character from a film from 2019 would be dating the only other gay character in a film that probably won't be coming out until the mid 2020's. As mentioned, Russo was close to 50 when Endgame came out. Factor in the time between that film and Iceman's MCU debut, not to mention the 5 year jump in Endgame. How old would that cameo character even be?

The very fact that you used "the snap" as a reason for limiting the dating pool for Iceman, when that same snap PRE-ceded close to a decade before Iceman even debuts. On top of that, what City, State was Joe Russo's character even in? These two just happen to live in the same city/state? I mean poor Bobby LMAO

Just admit you didn't think that idea through at all.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yeah no to Iceman dating the cameo character from Endgame. That's a pointless development that makes no sense. We don't need to connect everything.

It's just plain lazy.

 

[ALittlePush]

In a system of white supremacy, all Black people. All of them. It doesn't matter what status they occupy, every Black person at some point or another, is going to come into contact with these systems. Such is the nature of a system where blackness is vilified because such is purpose of race in this system.

In order for a racial hierarchy to exist, there must be two opposite binaries. One at the top (white) and one at the bottom (black). Well, yeah. But she didnt choose that. No minority wants to be marginalized, but we play with the cards we are given.

They may not be personally responsible, but they still benefit from institutions set up by their forefathers at the expense of others. It's complacency and ignorance that people are fighting against.

Ofc they would be. In the context of the story, yes. But the context of real-life feeds the context of the story. Without the real-world context of social justice, X-Men would have no defining identity. People aren't talking about genetics (at least no one with sense), they're talking about social constructs. Whiteness, Blackness, Man, Woman etc are all social constructs, aren't based in biological fact. They're not real. But that doesn't change the fact that these constructs define the lives of people. Straight white men have privilege simply by virtue of being "default"; society is structured around them.

What you're seeing now are conversations that have been happening for a long time amongst marginalized groups. It's just that the conversation is now at the forefront because the rest of world knows the truth about hate like we do thanks to Trump, and the rise of Right-wing rhetoric.



1. These protests are lead by BLACK organizers

2. The vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful. I've been to several. Police incite violence in these protests so they can trigger a reaction. The police state is an arm of white supremacy

3. There is no equivalent. BLM is fighting for justice, against injustice, against oppression. Those people who showed to DC yesterday were fighting to overthow democracy. And the only reason they got off easy, the only reason they were handled with kid gloves - is because they're all on the same team. They're all feeding into the same system, of privilege and supremacy


Well, it matters in 2021. Because it's always mattered. Regardless of who didnt care. Many People are no longer keeping that ignorant energy of not acknowledging people's identities and unique struggles & needs.


Maybe she was brought by Xavier. Maybe she wants to belo the fix the issue. Maybe she's a refugee whose home country was torn to pieces by US Imperialism, thus forcing her to immigrate to states. Who knows.



That would be.... Insanely tone deaf.

I think we're just going to have to respectfully disagree with each other on this particular aspect of topic.

I don't know. You were the one suggesting Joe Russo's character from a film from 2019 would be dating the only other gay character in a film that probably won't be coming out until the mid 2020's. As mentioned, Russo was close to 50 when Endgame came out. Factor in the time between that film and Iceman's MCU debut, not to mention the 5 year jump in Endgame. How old would that cameo character even be?

The very fact that you used "the snap" as a reason for limiting the dating pool for Iceman, when that same snap PRE-ceded close to a decade before Iceman even debuts. On top of that, what City, State was Joe Russo's character even in? These two just happen to live in the same city/state? I mean poor Bobby LMAO

Just admit you didn't think that idea through at all.

The current year in the MCU is 2023 so if an X-Men film came out in 2025, that's technically only 2 years after the Russo character appeared, though Russo would be 56. I didn't do the maths because the idea for what it was didn't require any maths. The idea was that Iceman was already in a pre-existing gay relationship, it was just going to be a nice little call back to Endgame that the boyfriend turned out to be the guy the audience saw talking about his date. I didn't know Russo was 50, I thought he was in his 40s in that film.

Also I think the character was supposed to be from/in New York because he talked about missing the mets.

 

[fan4stic]

They may not be personally responsible, but they still benefit from institutions set up by their forefathers at the expense of others. It's complacency and ignorance that people are fighting against.

Does have to equal vilifying? Bad things everyday and people can ignore and be complacent about it.

Well, it matters in 2021. Because it's always mattered. Regardless of who didnt care. Many People are no longer keeping that ignorant energy of not acknowledging people's identities and unique struggles & needs.

Why do some thinking the race of some don't matter have to be ignorant? Can't someone think race doesn't matter, but also acknowledge that racism can and does happen?

That would be.... Insanely tone deaf.

Could it never happen?

1. These protests are lead by BLACK organizers

2. The vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful. I've been to several. Police incite violence in these protests so they can trigger a reaction. The police state is an arm of white supremacy

1. Black or white, doing the wrong or right thing is doing the wrong or right thing.

2. Is all the violence incited like that?

 

[Marvel united]

Does have to equal vilifying? Bad things everyday and people can ignore and be complacent about it.

Not caring about the oppression of people less fortunate than you is pretty bad.

Why do some thinking the race of some don't matter have to be ignorant? Can't someone think race doesn't matter, but also acknowledge that racism can and does happen?Could it never happen?

Because to many POC, it translates to "race/racism has never been a factor in my life, so I'm going to pretend it isn't a factor in yours". It feels like a projection of (race) blind privilege.

1. Black or white, doing the wrong or right thing is doing the wrong or right thing.

2. Is all the violence incited like that?

In most instances, yes. Because the vast majority were peaceful. But even for the ones that weren't, there's a context here that must be understood. Black people have been fighting this fight for centuries, and many of us are tired. Tired of the injustice, tired of the false promises, tired of the lies. Many have come to the conclusion that the only path to justice is through revolution; the only language those in power seem to understand.

Listen very carefully to Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King's words here. Revolution is the forceful rejection of the status quo.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I swear they are giving my Scott and Jean vibes while watching Bridgerton

 

[Rem]

I don't know. You were the one suggesting Joe Russo's character from a film from 2019 would be dating the only other gay character in a film that probably won't be coming out until the mid 2020's. As mentioned, Russo was close to 50 when Endgame came out. Factor in the time between that film and Iceman's MCU debut, not to mention the 5 year jump in Endgame. How old would that cameo character even be?

The very fact that you used "the snap" as a reason for limiting the dating pool for Iceman, when that same snap PRE-ceded close to a decade before Iceman even debuts. On top of that, what City, State was Joe Russo's character even in? These two just happen to live in the same city/state? I mean poor Bobby LMAO

Just admit you didn't think that idea through at all.

Was just going to say the exact same thing. There is no other reason for this poster to continually suggest the idea other than blatant homophobia. They need to take a step back and have a think about what they’re saying here.

 

[ALittlePush]

Was just going to say the exact same thing. There is no other reason for this poster to continually suggest the idea other than blatant homophobia. They need to take a step back and have a think about what they’re saying here.

Look, if you don't agree with the idea, that's fine, but don't go around accusing people of serious things just because you don't agree with an idea.

Having Russo's character be the boyfriend was only supposed to be a call back to endgame, nothing more. I've already said I didn't realise that Russo was as old as he was in endgame. The MCU is already in 2023, it's easily possible if they released a movie in 2025 that it could match up with the year in the MCU which is set only 2 years after Endgame. I'm not saying Russo's character must be Iceman's boyfriend, I said he could be and that was before I knew how old Russo actually was.