Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Phoenix_Flare]

I agree they should use Stephen Lang, Henry P. Gyrich, or Bastion as the first antagonist in the MCU X-Men. Senator Kelly definitely needs to be rebooted. I wouldn’t mind if Weapon X, Dr Cornelius were the villains in a movie to introduce Wolverine and other X-Men and villains just like the ultimate comics gave us Rogue, Nightcrawler, Juggernaut, etc

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I also want Magneto teased and build up. I want to see him recruiting his Brotherhood in post credit scenes. I also liked how in the ultimate comics how Mystique broke him out of the Triskelion so seeing that in sequel would make shout lol

 

[BoredGuy]

Seeing him broken out of the Raft would be a pretty cool approximation of that

but it would also make the Raft just about the worst prison ever

but yeah, seeing the [Mystique-less] Brotherhood or the Acolytes wage a full on attack and break him out of somehwere like that would be a pretty sweet intro

 

[Marvel united]

I agree they should use Stephen Lang, Henry P. Gyrich, or Bastion as the first antagonist in the MCU X-Men. Senator Kelly definitely needs to be rebooted. I wouldn’t mind if Weapon X, Dr Cornelius were the villains in a movie to introduce Wolverine and other X-Men and villains just like the ultimate comics gave us Rogue, Nightcrawler, Juggernaut, etc

While I'm all for humans being the true villain of the first movie, I do think there has to be a mutant antagonist in the movie too. After all, the X-Men were formed to protect humans from evil mutants. If you only have the Sentinels, Senator Kelly and Bastion then you have the X-Men fighting only to save themselves/mutants and not normal people. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that as the X-Men save mutant lives too but for the first movie, the theme of "fighting for the same people who hate and fear you" needs to be firmly established as the root of the franchise.

In the Ultimates, they Introduced the Brothehood through the lense of what a mutant terrorist group would look like in 2001 and how they would operate. It was great reimagining -- but obviously, they're probably not going to do Magneto/the Brotherhood in the first film. Hence why i think the Acolytes would be fresh and a suitable replacement for the Brotherhood. I'd use the first arc from Ultimate X-Men "The Tomorrow People" as the primary story of the movie. The Government starts building Sentinels as the Acolytes (who could be completely reinvented) start committing concentrated terrorist attacks and assassination attempts on anti-mutant politicians (One of these could be Kelly, Gyrich or Ross) and the X-Men have to stop them. The proto Sentinels could be the climatic finale battle. They malfunction and become sentient like they did in their first appearance (Issue #14) and turn on the humans that made them. The X-Men have to save the humans from the Sentinels

 

[Lip]

I want this in the Captain Marvel sequel:

Thank you, next

 

[Marvel united]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/decider.com/2018/03/28/harris-dickinson-is-trusts-breakout-star/amp/

Just sayin'


(Made by yours truly)

 

[SumT]

nothing to do with him as an actor/person, but he has a look of being a real dick, even more than Marsden ever looked (who I love).

So I cant stand behind this casting suggestion

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

The costumes are a non issue. They'll be comic accurate finally.

Only concern for me is the roster and how much screen time will Xavier have. Hopefully not much and he is shown more interacting with Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Panther, & Doctor Strange in a post credit scene.

 

[Lip]

Only concern for me is the roster and how much screen time will Xavier have. Hopefully not much and he is shown more interacting with Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Black Panther, & Doctor Strange in a post credit scene.

I'd be happy with Xavier being one of the first mutants showing up in the MCU, in a non X-Men franchise. Just presenting the concept of mutants and all. Then having the first X-Men movie with him absent.

It'd be refreshing to see Xavier's dream represented by the X-Men (finally).

 

[Marvel united]

nothing to do with him as an actor/person, but he has a look of being a real dick, even more than Marsden ever looked (who I love).

So I cant stand behind this casting suggestion

Well, Cyke has been widely cited as being exactly that -- a dick. So if anything, that makes him an even better fit for the role. An overbearing, domineering leader could be a compelling arc for the character in fact. Expecting the X-Men to be perfect and not realizing his own flaw in leadership being him distancing himself and thinking he knows best under all circumstances. Of course he learns this flaw at the end of the second act so he can pull the team together in the final act.

 

[SumT]

I know someone would use that argument.
Ive read many comics starting in the 60s, and I never saw Cyclops as a dick, I always connected to him, and his look never gave me "he's a dick" either. Fox universe problem (one of them) is that the audience never connected with their Cyclops, so Marvel would have to be really careful with this casting, signing an actor who general audience can empathize with him, so thats why his look is very important, imho.

There are actors and actors, you can be tall, commanding and sexy if you want, but still feel human, empathetic and with some charm, even if the role is written to be a serious guy.
That actor in particular didnt give me that vibe, and as I said weeks ago, I saw Darkest minds and something turned me off.

Tye Sheridan for example hasnt the perfect look/image for Cyclops, but I always connected with him in his movies, there is something raw, authentic and real in his acting, and never seemes like a dick in Apocalypse, in terms of look Im saying. So this to me is very important to make Cyclops an A-list and a fan favourite. Marvel can easily nail all these points if they sign the right guy (similar to Chris Evans, that kind of give all this vibe)

 

[rebellion]

nothing to do with him as an actor/person, but he has a look of being a real dick, even more than Marsden ever looked (who I love).

So I cant stand behind this casting suggestion

Amen to this. Ive seen him suggested for batman and i just threw up in my mouth a little :/

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

While I'm all for humans being the true villain of the first movie, I do think there has to be a mutant antagonist in the movie too. After all, the X-Men were formed to protect humans from evil mutants. If you only have the Sentinels, Senator Kelly and Bastion then you have the X-Men fighting only to save themselves/mutants and not normal people. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that as the X-Men save mutant lives too but for the first movie, the theme of "fighting for the same people who hate and fear you" needs to be firmly established as the root of the franchise.

In the Ultimates, they Introduced the Brothehood through the lense of what a mutant terrorist group would look like in 2001 and how they would operate. It was great reimagining -- but obviously, they're probably not going to do Magneto/the Brotherhood in the first film. Hence why i think the Acolytes would be fresh and a suitable replacement for the Brotherhood. I'd use the first arc from Ultimate X-Men "The Tomorrow People" as the primary story of the movie. The Government starts building Sentinels as the Acolytes (who could be completely reinvented) start committing concentrated terrorist attacks and assassination attempts on anti-mutant politicians (One of these could be Kelly, Gyrich or Ross) and the X-Men have to stop them. The proto Sentinels could be the climatic finale battle. They malfunction and become sentient like they did in their first appearance (Issue #14) and turn on the humans that made them. The X-Men have to save the humans from the Sentinels

I like!

 

[Marvel united]

I know someone would use that argument.
Ive read many comics starting in the 60s, and I never saw Cyclops as a dick, I always connected to him, and his look never gave me "he's a dick" either. Fox universe problem (one of them) is that the audience never connected with their Cyclops, so Marvel would have to be really careful with this casting, signing an actor who general audience can empathize with him, so thats why his look is very important, imho.

There are actors and actors, you can be tall, commanding and sexy if you want, but still feel human, empathetic and with some charm, even if the role is written to be a serious guy.
That actor in particular didnt give me that vibe, and as I said weeks ago, I saw Darkest minds and something turned me off.

Tye Sheridan for example hasnt the perfect look/image for Cyclops, but I always connected with him in his movies, there is something raw, authentic and real in his acting, and never seemes like a dick in Apocalypse, in terms of look Im saying. So this to me is very important to make Cyclops an A-list and a fan favourite. Marvel can easily nail all these points if they sign the right guy (similar to Chris Evans, that kind of give all this vibe)

Cyclops has many "looks" in the comics. The general image of the character has primarily stayed the same but the details have been Interpreted countless different ways by hundreds of different artists. And even then, his personality, and overbearing nature is what makes him a dick, not the way the he looks -- Even going back to the 60s


Nobody had a problem empathizing-connecting with Dickinson in his critically acclaimed performance in Beach Rats -- not when he won and was nominated for multiple accolades by different academies, and I'm sure fangirls/fanboys are going to have no problem becoming emotionally invested in him in Maleficent 2. No offense man, but dismissing an actor because "they look like a dick" is incredibly shallow and only serves to enervate one's hangups... Because looks are completely subjective.

Sheridan is a good actor who gives sincere performances, I agree. But he most definitely did come off as a dick in Apocalypse. And the worst thing about it was that it was not the "Finish your training, no talking or playing during a Danger Room session" strict, hard ass kind of dick that Scott has become infamous for -- it was a "i'm going to make petty insults and generally be a smug *****e to the people who are trying to help me" calibre of dick and it was out of character. If anything, I had a problem connecting with Sheridan's Scott emotionally in his mourning of Alex's death because of the aforementioned fact. It doesn't help that Scott and Alex's relationship had zero development therefore it had zero stakes or emotional investment from the audience.

I agree about the Evans Cap, that should be used as the barebones template for Scott and I think Dickinson could pull it off perfectly.

 

[MilkmanDan]

nothing to do with him as an actor/person, but he has a look of being a real dick, even more than Marsden ever looked (who I love).

So I cant stand behind this casting suggestion

I think the problem with Marsden was that his Scott Summers looked like a very specific type of dick. Namely the arrogant jock/jerk boyfriend from every romantic comedy ever. And that felt off. Scott's more unpleasant characteristics and moments should stem from being an intense, driven and emotionally reserved person bearing a grave resposibility and haunted by a lonely, abusive childhood. IMO, Cyclops doesn't always have to be nice or likable but he should never feel like a character you're supposed to root against. And Marsden, with his preppy clothes and smarmy grin, kind of felt like one.

 

[Marvel united]

I think the problem with Marsden was that his Scott Summers looked like a very specific type of dick. Namely the arrogant jock/jerk boyfriend from every romantic comedy ever. And that felt off. Scott's more unpleasant characteristics and moments should stem from being an intense, driven and emotionally reserved person bearing a grave resposibility and haunted by a lonely, abusive childhood. IMO, Cyclops doesn't always have to be nice or likable but he should never feel like a character you're supposed to root against. And Marsden, with his preppy clothes and smarmy grin, kind of felt like one.

Well said

 

[Iceman]

I want this in the Captain Marvel sequel:

Thank you, next

Nice opposition for her!

 

[Spider-Fan]

There are so many cosmic threats I'd rather see Carol face. Leave the Brotherhood for a future X-Men movie.

 

[Lip]

There are so many cosmic threats I'd rather see Carol face. Leave the Brotherhood for a future X-Men movie.

I don't know Carol from the comics, but I'm sure she has many other threads. And Carol is now the first solo female hero in the MCU, and she'll be one of the protagonist moving forward. But for many decades, Rogue was one of Marvel's most popular female characters. And I believe Marvel will explore all of her potential.

I'm sure Marvel won't ruin Carol for the sake of giving Rogue a proper start in the MCU. But it's an opportunity to challenge Carol in a different way while also creating an unique rivalry between two popular female superheroes.

We've been robbed to see that Rogue we all want to see. Marvel has all it takes to give us that, and they don't have to ruin Carol for it. I'm fine with their encounter happening in other franchise like Avengers instead of Captain Marvel. But I want it to happen. I don't want ti be robbed from seeing a proper Rogue again.

 

[Iceman]

I don't know Carol from the comics, but I'm sure she has many other threads. And Carol is now the first solo female hero in the MCU, and she'll be one of the protagonist moving forward. But for many decades, Rogue was one of Marvel's most popular female characters. And I believe Marvel will explore all of her potential.

I'm sure Marvel won't ruin Carol for the sake of giving Rogue a proper start in the MCU. But it's an opportunity to challenge Carol in a different way while also creating an unique rivalry between two popular female superheroes.

We've been robbed to see that Rogue we all want to see. Marvel has all it takes to give us that, and they don't have to ruin Carol for it. I'm fine with their encounter happening in other franchise like Avengers instead of Captain Marvel. But I want it to happen. I don't want ti be robbed from seeing a proper Rogue again.

I hadn't thought of it happening in an Avengers film. That could work well as the film could continue with her out of commission for a while.

 

[Iceman]

I'd be happy with Xavier being one of the first mutants showing up in the MCU, in a non X-Men franchise. Just presenting the concept of mutants and all. Then having the first X-Men movie with him absent.

It'd be refreshing to see Xavier's dream represented by the X-Men (finally).

I really want him to be in the first ever MCU X-Men film. The man behind the vision needs to appear there. I just don’t think he ever needs to have a field role. Once the final act starts he should be back at the mansion while the X-Men do their stuff.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't know Carol from the comics, but I'm sure she has many other threads. And Carol is now the first solo female hero in the MCU, and she'll be one of the protagonist moving forward. But for many decades, Rogue was one of Marvel's most popular female characters. And I believe Marvel will explore all of her potential.

I'm sure Marvel won't ruin Carol for the sake of giving Rogue a proper start in the MCU. But it's an opportunity to challenge Carol in a different way while also creating an unique rivalry between two popular female superheroes.

We've been robbed to see that Rogue we all want to see. Marvel has all it takes to give us that, and they don't have to ruin Carol for it. I'm fine with their encounter happening in other franchise like Avengers instead of Captain Marvel. But I want it to happen. I don't want ti be robbed from seeing a proper Rogue again.

I don't want them to shoe horn the Brotherhood into a movie just so Rogue can get her powers. Easter eggs are great, but have to make sense in context. I think this type of event might be better served in some type of Avengers vs X-Men scenario where the crossover makes more sense. Obviously, a movie version of that story would need to be different but that type of plot line would make this even work seamlessly (just have the UN put the Avengers on mutant duty or something since their numbers are growing, and then you can do this). Captain Marvel's chief villains are cosmic threats and she is designed as a cosmic based hero. Play to the character's strengths. The Brotherhood play better as X-Men villains. Play to their strengths. Don't shoe horn them into a scenario that involves more mental gymnastics just so we could get 1 event out of it. That's how you get mediocre movies.

 

[Lip]

I don't want them to shoe horn the Brotherhood into a movie just so Rogue can get her powers. Easter eggs are great, but have to make sense in context. I think this type of event might be better served in some type of Avengers vs X-Men scenario where the crossover makes more sense. Obviously, a movie version of that story would need to be different but that type of plot line would make this even work seamlessly (just have the UN put the Avengers on mutant duty or something since their numbers are growing, and then you can do this). Captain Marvel's chief villains are cosmic threats and she is designed as a cosmic based hero. Play to the character's strengths. The Brotherhood play better as X-Men villains. Play to their strengths. Don't shoe horn them into a scenario that involves more mental gymnastics just so we could get 1 event out of it. That's how you get mediocre movies.

I completely understand your point. And I'm all for it happening in an Avengers movie too. And I'm not arguing the Brotherhood is better as Captain Marvel's villains, instead of X-Men's.

Like I said before, I don't know Carol from the comics. I don't know her history and mythos. But I do know that her tragic encounter with Rogue was very impactful. And I'm not arguing that that same impact should happen in the MCU. But, as someone who doesn't read CM comics, that encounter seemed (to me) to be a big part of Carol's history. And, as far as I know, Raven killed Carol's boyfriend as well. I consider all this tragedy that happened to Carol thanks to the Brotherhood to be quite meaningful in the character's history. But again, I don't know her from the comics.

So for me, it made sense to give Carol a threat that caused such tragic events in her life. It's a way to challenge her as a character, giving Rogue a proper start, while also having an opportunity to create a unique relationship between women in the MCU, with Carol-Rogue-Mystique.

I assumed that story was a huge part of Carol's history. But I don't read her comics.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I completely understand your point. And I'm all for it happening in an Avengers movie too. And I'm not arguing the Brotherhood is better as Captain Marvel's villains, instead of X-Men's.

Like I said before, I don't know Carol from the comics. I don't know her history and mythos. But I do know that her tragic encounter with Rogue was very impactful. And I'm not arguing that that same impact should happen in the MCU. But, as someone who doesn't read CM comics, that encounter seemed (to me) to be a big part of Carol's history. And, as far as I know, Raven killed Carol's boyfriend as well. I consider all this tragedy that happened to Carol thanks to the Brotherhood to be quite meaningful in the character's history. But again, I don't know her from the comics.

So for me, it made sense to give Carol a threat that caused such tragic events in her life. It's a way to challenge her as a character, giving Rogue a proper start, while also having an opportunity to create a unique relationship between women in the MCU, with Carol-Rogue-Mystique.

I assumed that story was a huge part of Carol's history. But I don't read her comics.

Carol has history with the Brotherhood, yes. But within the MCU, the Brotherhood are not established. They lack context. So do mutants as a concept in the MCU. All that needs explained, and an X-Men movie is more than likely where we will get that context. We may see them allude to mutants in Eternals or something, but the concept proper is more than likely going to get its proper expansion and context in X-Men. Captain Marvel 2 is potentially going to be out before we get a MCU X-Men movie. It's one thing to put a mutant or two in a movie. It's another to introduce a team like the Brotherhood. While you can throw a Storm here or Wolverine there, the Brotherhood exist in opposition to the X-Men. If we don't have that fundamental understanding of how the X-Men work in the MCU, then I don't think the Brotherhood have the context either. It does them a disservice to introduce them in a franchise that has little to do with mutants, IMO. Heck, I think it'd be easier to use Rogue by herself in a Captain Marvel movie as opposed to the entire Brotherhood at this point.

 

[Marvel united]

Excited to see the Cosmic elements of the X-Men explored. It's the one major aspect of the comics that the Fox movies never touched upon. I could see the Shi'ar being introduced in the second or third film and the X-Men going to space and learning the origins of the X-Gene tying the movie back to the Eternals