Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Relugus]

Everyone brings up House of M in relation to Wanda's "No more mutants" declaration, but there's a good 6 issues and a buttload of tie-ins following the Marvel pantheon in an alternate reality living their best lives. They might come at it from a different angle, but the bulk of the story could be a far more appetizing element to adapt, rather than sending Wanda off the deep end or even nerfing the mutant population.

The story lazily uses Wanda (who does nothing of interest and is barely in it; why take a stromg female character who has a fun and interesting fighting style and consign her to this tedium?) as a plot device and character assassinates her (lasting damage; she's barely in comics these days) then fridges her entirely for the benefit of the male characters. It's fiercely hated by alot of the fandom.

I thought Markus and McFeely liked female characters? I think alot of female audiences would be enraged at it, and alot of movie critics would pour scorn on any HoM adaptation. Its a PR disaster when it comes to gender representation.

 

[Spider-Fan]

MCU films have barely resembled the comics they draw inspiration from. Whatever flaws House of M has conceptually, any adaptation they do will be different. VERY different. So saying House of M has flaws XYZ doesn't necessarily apply to the movie version they would do. I'd give it a shot. Though I would prefer Age of Apocalypse myself. But I don't see them adapting both it and HoM. Too similar of concepts.

 

[psylockolussus]

I would like to see an adaptation or version of Age of Apocalypse in the MCU. House of M? not really. I don't see Scarlet Witch doing the no more mutants in the movie, but I would like another mutant to do that. I didn't really like House of M but Decimation was an exciting time in the comics. Mutants being depowered and being hunted to lead to their eXtinction. I want to see it happen in the movies.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I would like to see an adaptation or version Age of Apocalypse. House of M? not really. I don't see Scarlet Witch doing the no more mutants in the movie but I would like another mutant do that. I didn't really like House of M but Decimation was an exciting times in the comics. I like to see the fallout of it happen in the movies.

If they did House of M, I bet "No More Mutants" would not happen.

 

[Marvel united]

If they did House of M, I bet "No More Mutants" would not happen.

I think it definitely would and it's the reason why they said this story has to be earned. That's like the most famous moment of the story, that's what everyone remembers it for. That's like Marvel doing Infinity Gauntlet without doing the snap

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think it definitely would and it's the reason why they said this story has to be earned. That's like the most famous moment of the story, that's what everyone remembers it for. That's like Marvel doing Infinity Gauntlet without doing the snap

No more mutants doesn't work when there is no mutants. Wanda may even be done by the time they arrive at this rate.

 

[Marvel united]

No more mutants doesn't work when there is no mutants. Wanda may even be done by the time they arrive at this rate.

I mean, the mutant characters could start showing up in the not so distant future and I'm sure Olsen will still be aaround. She can get a contract extension like Hemsworth.

But I understand that in order for "No more mutants" to work and be impactful, mutants have to been around long enough for them to have changed the world.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I mean, the mutant characters could start showing up in the not so distant future and I'm sure Olsen will still be aaround. She can get a contract extension like Hemsworth.

But I understand that in order for "No more mutants" to work and be impactful, mutants have to been around long enough for them to have changed the world.

Exactly. The mutants need to be around long enough for it to matter. It can't be like, you introduce them and then 3 years later, No More Mutants!!! That'd be terribly rushed. That's not a move they can make for like, 10 years potentially of mutants existing.

 

[Mad Ones]

House of M did make Wanda into a trope and plot device, and it also made her into a long term enemy of the X-men who the Avengers forgave without any input from any of the mutants she affected. But the MCU really elevated Civil War where Tony was pretty unlikable and sympathetic. I wouldn't expect the MCU to adapt House of M that faithfully, but it would keep the spirit of the comic, which, for me, was seeing Magneto and his family as aristocrats/monarchs in a world without mutant oppression.

 

[Lip]

House of M and Decimation M are two different stories. "No More Mutants" set up Decimation M, but it's not important for HoM. So I can perfectly see them adapting HoM without "No More Mutants".

But for that they'd have to, at least, connect Wanda to Eric and change her powers.

Also, I agree, they'd have to choose adapting HoM or AoA. They are similar. And, IMO, the same for Dark Phoenix. The female hero becoming too strong and becoming a threat was already done. And since Marvel will probably never adapt DP, HoM seems like a path they could take.

 

[Mad Ones]

Hmm I'm not sure which I'd prefer out of the Dark Phoenix Saga, House of M, or Age of Apocalypse.

DPS done with the MCU's ability to capture scope and flesh out interpersonal drama is really compelling. But we are probably fatigued when it comes to that story, it usually means death for Jean, and there are other ways to incorporate the Phoenix Force.

HoM is attractive as a big crossover between the Avengers and X-men, giving big roles to Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, etc. Interesting things can be done with characters like Wolverine and Spider-man in this reality. It would need a lot of tweaking but the MCU isn't afraid of that. Might be worth it just to see those royal family Coipel designed costumes. Could also factor in Billy and Teddy in a way the comics don't.

AoA is the kind of classic dystopian/post-apocalyptic world that we have maybe seen a lot of in popular culture but the hook is seeing characters we know really well completely reinvented and twisted. I'd give the writers/directors a lot of creative freedom to include the characters they want and reinvent them in which ever ways work, not necessarily beholden to the comic. This is a big Infinity Saga level story so we'll have to wait and see if the MCU can build the X-men up to the level a story like this deserves. This story is also the only capacity I'd want to see Apocalypse in.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I feel like if it were me developing an MCU Dark Phoenix storyline, I'd have the X-Men involved in some giant crossover cosmic event with the FF/Avengers ro whatever, and Jean would encounter the Phoenix force there. Then in the next X-Men film, she would be Phoenix Jean. Maybe even be Phoenix Jean for multiple films. I'd then play the Dark Phoenix card in what may even be Jean's last MCU film. Go full Cosmic, Shi'ar and all that stuff. That is a good story for like, one X-Men team's Endgame event. Phase out the original X-Men, build a new team after that.

But I would wait a long time before even considering this option. Given how many times this story has been attempted already. It'd be late in the game.

 

[Mad Ones]

I feel like if it were me developing an MCU Dark Phoenix storyline, I'd have the X-Men involved in some giant crossover cosmic event with the FF/Avengers ro whatever, and Jean would encounter the Phoenix force there. Then in the next X-Men film, she would be Phoenix Jean. Maybe even be Phoenix Jean for multiple films. I'd then play the Dark Phoenix card in what may even be Jean's last MCU film. Go full Cosmic, Shi'ar and all that stuff. That is a good story for like, one X-Men team's Endgame event. Phase out the original X-Men, build a new team after that.

But I would wait a long time before even considering this option. Given how many times this story has been attempted already. It'd be late in the game.

I agree. I'd introduce the Phoenix Force in a Silver Surfer cosmic movie and eventually have it encounter and bond with with Jean to turn the tide in a Shi'ar civil war. This way we get to see cosmic elements and the "good" side of Jean.

 

[Marvel united]

I feel like if it were me developing an MCU Dark Phoenix storyline, I'd have the X-Men involved in some giant crossover cosmic event with the FF/Avengers ro whatever, and Jean would encounter the Phoenix force there. Then in the next X-Men film, she would be Phoenix Jean. Maybe even be Phoenix Jean for multiple films. I'd then play the Dark Phoenix card in what may even be Jean's last MCU film. Go full Cosmic, Shi'ar and all that stuff. That is a good story for like, one X-Men team's Endgame event. Phase out the original X-Men, build a new team after that.

But I would wait a long time before even considering this option. Given how many times this story has been attempted already. It'd be late in the game.

This is how they should do it

I think you could also incorporate Avengers vs X-Men into that Phoenix film since they will probably want to kill Jean to stop the apocalypse from happening on Earth and the X-Men of course object because they want to save her. I also want to see Scott become the renegade revolutionist at some point in the MCU. Not unlike what happened with Cap in IW or Barton in Endgame. Of course, Scott could make a sacrifice that reinforces his good nature. That he is not too far gone. But I feel like that should be the logical conclusion and resolution to his decade+ spanning arc in the MCU.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is how they should do it

I think you could also incorporate Avengers vs X-Men into that Phoenix film since they will probably want to kill Jean to stop the apocalypse from happening on Earth and the X-Men of course object because they want to save her. I also want to see Scott become the renegade revolutionist at some point in the MCU. Not unlike what happened with Cap in IW or Barton in Endgame. Of course, Scott could make a sacrifice that reinforces his good nature. That he is not too far gone. But I feel like that should be the logical conclusion and resolution to his decade+ spanning arc in the MCU.

Actually, those 2 storylines would fit very well together

 

[Tony Stark]

It's certainly going to be interesting to see how they handle this, but I honestly hope it's akin to what they did with Spider-man where you introduce the characters in another movie, and then do a solo film.

By the time CW came out, I think everyone had forgotten all about the bad taste of Mark Web's not so amazing Spider-man films, and we fully embraced the new MCU Spidey. In fact IMO it was the best interpretation of Spider-man (I liked Tobey's Peter Parker, but not his Spider-man).

We are going to need a brainwashing after Dark Phonix which just looks awful, had some terrible screen tests and will probably be review embargoed up until the final hour. But it's on my list of sure fire flops along with Aladdin this summer.

Even though they haven't presented her as a mutant, I hope they keep the connection of Magneto as Wanda's father. She finds out he really didn't die in the bombing attack as a child. I think interconnecting the new characters with existing MCU is key. You have to have some kind of hook, not to say Wanda is the only means to do that, but it's an obvious one. There always was an open door in the fact that Wanda and Pietro were the only ones to survive Strucker's experiments with the mind stone, the "x-gene" could be the explanation for that.

I also agree to make the focus on characters like Cyclops and Storm, who have had a terrible treatment in the Fox films. Gambit would be another one you could have another go at.

 

[Mad Ones]

I also want to see Scott become the renegade revolutionist at some point in the MCU. Not unlike what happened with Cap in IW or Barton in Endgame. Of course, Scott could make a sacrifice that reinforces his good nature. That he is not too far gone. But I feel like that should be the logical conclusion and resolution to his decade+ spanning arc in the MCU.

Definitely. Start him off as an unsure leader who compensates for his uncontrollable powers and unstable family life by being a controlling leader and by projecting confidence. After many, many, many years, get him convinced of that confidence and make him that polarizing figure.

 

[Marvel united]

Definitely. Start him off as an unsure leader who compensates for his uncontrollable powers and unstable family life by being a controlling leader and by projecting confidence. After many, many, many years, get him convinced of that confidence and make him that polarizing figure.

Precisely. And no matter what Scott does, there should always be a method to his madness. There is always a reason why that others do not understand.

I wonder if Marvel would ever do Schism in the MCU. Nation X/Utopia is another great story

 

[EnDz0n3]

Not sure if this has been posted:

How Marvel's Next 10-Year Saga Could Unite Avengers and X-Men

I'm not familiar with the by line writer but he talks about how House of M (I'm not a fan) can be done. He says "No More Mutants" can be changed to "No More Superpowers."

 

[Marvel united]

Not sure if this has been posted:

How Marvel's Next 10-Year Saga Could Unite Avengers and X-Men

I'm not familiar with the by line writer but he talks about how House of M (I'm not a fan) can be done. He says "No More Mutants" can be changed to "No More Superpowers."

What is the point of that change

 

[Lip]

Go full Cosmic, Shi'ar and all that stuff. That is a good story for like, one X-Men team's Endgame event.

I agree. As huge of a threat Dark Phoenix is, that story should be more intimate and emotional. And it should involve characters Jean has a strong relationship with. It would be great for an Endgame type of event for the X-Men.

But I don't think Marvel will ever adapt that storyline.

 

[EnDz0n3]

What is the point of that change

Did you read the article?

 

[Lip]

Changing the subject, since we won't be watching an MCU X-Men movie anytime soon, Marvel/Disney could at least release some animated series for us. We deserve it.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I really liked the art style they used for Wolverine & The X-men but I wasn't a fan of the team line-up (and no it has nothing to do with the show title). And please no kid X-men and no Principal Mystique.

That said, I'd be curious to find out what a TAS-type show would look like in 2019.

 

[Marvel united]

Did you read the article?

Just did. That's an interesting idea.