Yes, exactly. We need Hammer back in the MCU asap. His inclusion helps solidify the mutants' connection to the overall MCU and could perhaps lend to a larger overall Dark Reign/Siege storyline--perhaps Norman uses the "mutant problem" as a lightning rod instead of/in addition to a Skrull secret invasion as in the comics
And yes, though Tony was pretty protective of his technology, we did see arc-reactor technology at SHIELD in TWS so those blueprints have been shared outside of his company/home, so it stands to reason that Hammer could have eventually got his hands on it. And a circular arc on the Sentinels' chest actually lends itself to the comic design
Completely agree that we need Hammer back as a connection if only to establish something other than Stark Industries as both hero and root of all villians.
Vanko's father designed the arc reactor Tony built and perfected, and Vanko built the drones. Stands to reason that all the Hammer tech would be based upon Vanko's designs. It's a nice clean way to keep the Stark name out of it for the time being and establish other tech companies developing weapons etc. for less humanitarian purposes.
Honestly, after watching FFH, I'm now even more inclined to believe we either won't see Xavier at all at the begginning or that he'll have a very, very minor role.
Marvel had already established that this was a new interpretation of Spider-Man, and they adjusted and changed a lot of things about his "mythos". There was no Uncle Ben to set up an origin and foundation, he's not bullied the same way previous incarnations was, he doesn't face financial problems while having to take care of Aunt May, he wants to be an Avengers, he has a mentor in Tony, among other things.
Now after FFH he probably won't be working as a photographer for JJJ, and he had his identity revealed
That FFH twist, IMO, proved Marvel really is determined in taking the character to never seen before places on the big screen. And I'm starting to let go of some elements about him that I liked and thought it was really important.
Like working for JJJ
And yes, I am quite aware of how drastically different Charles and Uncle Ben are from one another. But I do believe they can provide a foundation for the X-Men without Charles and, unlike Uncle Ben, actually mentioning him.
I have no idea about how they'll introduce mutants and the X-Men in the MCU and we can only speculate and that's my bet. I mean, Charles was in more movies than Logan was and he had more sides of him explored/developed than Eric and Logan. Judging by how determined Marvel is to take Spider-Man to new directions, I do believe they'll take a big break from Charles.
We keep talking about changes of tone or race bending to add more diversity, but we don't talk much about how Marvel can adapt and change some of the X-Men mythology. I'm getting ready for a very different interpretation of them. And getting ready to let go of some elements I am so used to. Like I'm doing now with Spider-Man.
The actress they cast for Storm will be age appropriate to be a love interest/Wife for Boseman's T'Challa. Storm will not be a teenager in the MCU and will be akin to her men evolution counterpart.
You guys are lending too much importance to Storm’s casting based on her relation to T’Challa. Storm’s priority is as a member of the X-Men. The most vital thing they need is an actress young enough to hold on to franchise for at least a decade, not her being ‘age appropriate’ to Chadwick Boseman (who doesn’t look his age anyway).
They very well might not even put them together. Bucky has an important relationship with Natasha in the comics and we never saw that in the MCU.
Honestly, after watching FFH, I'm now even more inclined to believe we either won't see Xavier at all at the begginning or that he'll have a very, very minor role.
I think a key difference here is that audiences saw Uncle Ben die/teach Peter about responsibility in 2002, 2004, 2007, and again in 2012. It's not that it was the same character--it was the exact same story beat.
Yes, we've seen iconic interpretations of Xavier over the years, but there's still plenty of opportunity to have him included without stealing spotlight. New villains & a balanced roster will help propel this new version of Xavier into uncharted waters that audiences haven't yet seen in X films. FFH includes a lot of familiar characters too, just radically different than previous film versions (Aunt May, MJ; even the character in the 1st post credit scene too)
We keep talking about changes of tone or race bending to add more diversity, but we don't talk much about how Marvel can adapt and change some of the X-Men mythology. I'm getting ready for a very different interpretation of them. And getting ready to let go of some elements I am so used to. Like I'm doing now with Spider-Man.
Here’s what one of screenwriters for Avengers Endgame said about Marvel getting the mutants back.
What would you like to see next for the next three phases of the MCU?
CHRISTOPHER MARKUS: It’ll be fascinating to see what Kevin Feige does with the properties he’s now getting from the Fox merger with X-Men and Fantastic Four. And to see what the MCU version of those things is, because I very much doubt it will be something that resembles what you’ve seen before. So that will be very exciting.
A battle with Proteus could also end with Xavier defeated, maybe trapped in the Astral Plane. Move forward with Cyclops assuming the role as Headmaster, with Storm as co-lead in the field.
Future films reveal that Prof X has been alive and well, and used his anonymity granted in 'death' to join Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Namor, & co. in the MCU Illuminati. Maybe he's building Genosha w/ a rehabilitated Magneto who returns to his villainous ways once he sees the US government's plans for Project Wideawake / Sentinels...
There's plenty of ways to have Xavier but highlight the whole team.
Yes, exactly. We need Hammer back in the MCU asap. His inclusion helps solidify the mutants' connection to the overall MCU and could perhaps lend to a larger overall Dark Reign/Siege storyline--perhaps Norman uses the "mutant problem" as a lightning rod instead of/in addition to a Skrull secret invasion as in the comics
And yes, though Tony was pretty protective of his technology, we did see arc-reactor technology at SHIELD in TWS so those blueprints have been shared outside of his company/home, so it stands to reason that Hammer could have eventually got his hands on it. And a central arc on the Sentinels' chest actually lends itself to the comic design
This is an idea I really like. I've been saying for the past 2 years that it makes sense that Marvel would establish a connection between Sentinels and Stark tech. And now that Stark is gone, it will be much easier for the Government to get their hands on Iron Man blueprints and Arc reactor technologies. This also gives Happy and Pepper a stake in the mutant conflict as well, fighting against Hammer and co for using Stark tech to hunt, persecute and kill mutants
I doubt Favreau or Paltrow would reappear in the MCU outside of Spidey films or maybe larger Avengers-type crossovers. Maybe a cameo--I certainly wouldn't be opposed
But arc-reactor tech in government-sanctioned kill bots might give the X-Men reason to be leary of the Avengers as a whole, and plant seeds for Avengers v X-Men down the road.
I doubt Favreau or Paltrow would reappear in the MCU outside of Spidey films or maybe larger Avengers-type crossovers. Maybe a cameo--I certainly wouldn't be opposed
But arc-reactor tech in government-sanctioned kill bots might give the X-Men reason to be leary of the Avengers as a whole, and plant seeds for Avengers v X-Men down the road.
I don't see why they wouldn't ever appear again. Well, maybe Paltrow might not want to come back but Favreau seems to want to stick around. Maybe Morgan becomes a mutant and that gives them a reason to fight/get involved with what's going on.
Yes, I like that idea a lot. Because not only does it make the X-Men leary of trust but it also serves to drive a larger wedge between the Avenger-sanctioned heroes (who are still arms of the Government) and mutants. Almost like a thematical message; a grim reality to the mutant community stating that the Avengers are not fighting for people like them. That would especially be a heart breaking prospect to young mutants who grew up idolizing the Avengers.
There has always been an uneasy tension between the Avengers and the X-Men for that reason. So like you said, this would go a long way to seeding that dynamic which would eventually blossom into an Avengers vs X-Men film down the line.
Jonah Jameson could play a role in fostering anti-mutant bigotry in the MCU in addition to menacing Spider-Man. He could be responsible for disseminating a lot of misinformation about mutation leading to widespread paranoia about Mutants in the public.
To Paltrow's credit, she was in Homecoming for 30 seconds and in a scene with RDJ and Favreau. Not surprising that she'd forget that it's a tag-on scene for Spidey film. And re: Sebastian Stan, they really only shared screentime (albeit very briefly) at the end of Endgame.
Jonah Jameson could play a role in fostering anti-mutant bigotry in the MCU in addition to menacing Spider-Man. He could responsible for disseminating a lot of misinformation about mutation leading widespread paranoia about Mutants in the public.
That's a great idea! JJJ needs to appear throughout the MCU seeding hatred for Spidey--totally great if that spills over for mutants too. Heck, have him be vocal on all MCU events/progressions
I do still think we either won't see Charles at all, or rarely see him. However, my point is also about how much Marvel can change to make the X-Men feel modern, fresh and unlike anything we've seen previously (keeping in mind what they've done with Spider-Man). If you think about it, there are a lot of classic elements that a lot of fans feel very connected to that does not exist in this new interpretation.
-Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy are beloved and classic supporting characters, very important to Peter, and they most likely won't ever be part of the MCU. There's a reason why Michelle is called MJ.
-Uncle Ben, so far, wasn't even mentioned.
-Peter does not struggle financially, neither has to take care and help Aunt May
-Peter has now access to Stark technology to easily build whatever he needs
-Peter most likely won't ever work as a photographer for Jonah Jameson
-Peter is 16 and already got his identity revealed
Those are some classic and beloved elements of Spider-Man that was left behind in favor to take the franchise to different places and feel fresh. So what classic elements of the X-Men will be adjusted, changed, left behind for this new interpretation?
After FFH, I'm getting ready to let go of a lot of classic elements from the X-Men to embrace a new interpretation. Because I'm getting a feeling it will be more different than I thought.
I do still think we either won't see Charles at all, or rarely see him. However, my point is also about how much Marvel can change to make the X-Men feel modern, fresh and unlike anything we've seen previously (keeping in mind what they've done with Spider-Man). If you think about it, there are a lot of classic elements that a lot of fans feel very connected to that does not exist in this new interpretation.
-Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy are beloved and classic supporting characters, very important to Peter, and they most likely won't ever be part of the MCU. There's a reason why Michelle is called MJ.
-Uncle Ben, so far, wasn't even mentioned.
-Peter does not struggle financially, neither has to take care and help Aunt May
-Peter has now access to Stark technology to easily build whatever he needs
-Peter most likely won't ever work as a photographer for Jonah Jameson
-Peter is 16 and already got his identity revealed
Those are some classic and beloved elements of Spider-Man that was left behind in favor to take the franchise to different places and feel fresh. So what classic elements of the X-Men will be adjusted, changed, left behind for this new interpretation?
After FFH, I'm getting ready to let go of a lot of classic elements from the X-Men to embrace a new interpretation. Because I'm getting a feeling it will be more different than I thought.
Well like I said before, if they give X-Men the Spider-Man treatment in full diameter, we could end up with something very different from the source material. Making random changes to defining elements of the franchise solely for the sake of doing something different. If I'm being honest, after FFH -- I don't really have a whole lot of interest in where they're taking the character. Because now they've taken away the key, most defining element of Spider-Man in general. I'm betting that the endgame for Tom Holland's Spider-Man is something akin to Parker Industries from Dan Slott's All-New, All-Different.
If Marvel Studios goes that route with X-Men.. Well, I won't have a whole lot of interest in their interpretation. But I'm sure others will enjoy it which is the most important thing I guess
Speaking of something different, I've already pre-ordered House of X and I'm wondering if the MCU will be taking inspiration from this series
This is why I think we’ll see the biggest change; though I do second your thoughts of Magneto. Moving the X-Men away from the mansion might make them seem less-stuffy.
Plus you have locations like Muir Island or Utopia that could offer cool homes for the mutants. My pitch involved the Xavier “home for wayward youth”—maybe switching the classroom setting for more of a foster-family aesthetic could be more appealing, or perhaps not drastic enough.
I do still think we either won't see Charles at all, or rarely see him. However, my point is also about how much Marvel can change to make the X-Men feel modern, fresh and unlike anything we've seen previously (keeping in mind what they've done with Spider-Man). If you think about it, there are a lot of classic elements that a lot of fans feel very connected to that does not exist in this new interpretation.
-Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy are beloved and classic supporting characters, very important to Peter, and they most likely won't ever be part of the MCU. There's a reason why Michelle is called MJ.
-Uncle Ben, so far, wasn't even mentioned.
-Peter does not struggle financially, neither has to take care and help Aunt May
-Peter has now access to Stark technology to easily build whatever he needs
-Peter most likely won't ever work as a photographer for Jonah Jameson
-Peter is 16 and already got his identity revealed
Those are some classic and beloved elements of Spider-Man that was left behind in favor to take the franchise to different places and feel fresh. So what classic elements of the X-Men will be adjusted, changed, left behind for this new interpretation?
After FFH, I'm getting ready to let go of a lot of classic elements from the X-Men to embrace a new interpretation. Because I'm getting a feeling it will be more different than I thought.
I think you’re overselling the changes made to Spider-Man...
True, we haven’t seen Gwen Stacy, but for all intents and purposes MJ is MJ (yes I know how silly that reads). Raimi’s Gwen Stacy was an afterthought; is Spider-Man 3 really a better take on SM because it has both those “beloved” characters?
And true we haven’t seen any financial woes, but we’ve seen Peter juggle his webslinging with more pedestrian concerns like house parties and being with his friends, and girls and high school dances. That’s a major part of the character too and can’t be discounted just because we haven’t seen May worry about bills.
In the comics, for MANY years now, Peter has had income streams from jobs other than the Daily Bugle, and he has had much more than just a web shooter—be it from Stark Industries, Horizon Labs, Future Foundation, etc. Okay, maybe it didn’t happen when he was 16, but this is also a character that’s been in 5 films so far in the MCU. And explored in 2 other successful film franchises in the past 20 years. Let’s see him do more than be a photographer. That wasn’t even his storyline in USM when they rebooted the character...
No Xavier might mean No Cerebro. The Fox films relied heavily on that set.
I don't know about No X-mansion but since the MCU has New York covered, I can see the X-men set up in the West Coast, maybe SF, which is canon. That said, most Marvel heroes are New York-based and Feige doesn't seem to have a problem sticking to that so I'd prefer if they stayed in NY.
This is why I think we’ll see the biggest change; though I do second your thoughts of Magneto. Moving the X-Men away from the mansion might make them seem less-stuffy.
Plus you have locations like Muir Island or Utopia that could offer cool homes for the mutants. My pitch involved the Xavier “home for wayward youth”—maybe switching the classroom setting for more of a foster-family aesthetic could be more appealing, or perhaps not drastic enough.
I liked that change. I was thinking something in a city rather than isolated and removed. If they go the foster family route, the films will have to tread lightly and not make it seem like the X-men recruit vulnerable kids to be child soldiers (which is implicit and explicit in the comics but I'm interested to see how the MCU handles it).
No Xavier might mean No Cerebro. The Fox films relied heavily on that set.
I don't know about No X-mansion but since the MCU has New York covered, I can see the X-men set up in the West Coast, maybe SF, which is canon. That said, most Marvel heroes are New York-based and Feige doesn't seem to have a problem sticking to that so I'd prefer if they stayed in NY.
I do prefer NY for the mansion site too, but it’d be cool to see Mutants migrate to SF in future films though. Or maybe spin-offs down the road, like X-Factor or some such.
This is why I think we’ll see the biggest change; though I do second your thoughts of Magneto. Moving the X-Men away from the mansion might make them seem less-stuffy.
Plus you have locations like Muir Island or Utopia that could offer cool homes for the mutants. My pitch involved the Xavier “home for wayward youth”—maybe switching the classroom setting for more of a foster-family aesthetic could be more appealing, or perhaps not drastic enough.
See, this is a change I can get behind that would make sense. It's fresh, completely changing the dynamic from what we've seen before on film but it's also very much rooted in the source material because the school before X-Men (2000) was a lot closer to the Foster Home concept. The wayward classroom aesthetic became mainstream after Singer made that change himself.
But most importantly, the spirit is still there and your idea allows for Marvel to further explore the X-Men's relationship as a family. In Spider-Man: Homecoming, Peter goes to "Midtown School Of Science and Technology". Now what this does is completely change the dynamic and struggle of the character... Because Peter is no longer an outcast, no longer does he feel isolated from his peers because now EVERYBODY is as smart or smarter than him. I feel like the filmmakers missed the point of why Midtown was a normal high-school in the first place.
(Yes, I know the school was called "Science High-school" in Spectacular Spider-Man but that title was never reflected in the actual story. The only other brainiac in the school besides Peter was Gwen Stacy and she too was an outcast, at least from Flash and co)
I liked that change. I was thinking something in a city rather than isolated and removed. If they go the foster family route, the films will have to tread lightly and not make it seem like the X-men recruit vulnerable kids to be child soldiers (which is implicit and explicit in the comics but I'm interested to see how the MCU handles it).
See, this is a change I can get behind that would make sense. It's fresh, completely changing the dynamic from what we've seen before on film but it's also very much rooted in the source material because the school before X-Men (2000) was a lot closer to the Foster Home concept. The wayward classroom aesthetic became mainstream after Singer made that change himself.
But most importantly, the spirit is still there and your idea allows for Marvel to further explore the X-Men's relationship as a family. In Spider-Man: Homecoming, Peter goes to "Midtown School Of Science and Technology". Now what this does is completely change the dynamic and struggle of the character... Because Peter is no longer an outcast, no longer does he feel isolated from his peers because now EVERYBODY is as smart or smarter than him. I feel like the filmmakers missed the point of why Midtown was a normal high-school in the first place.
(Yes, I know the school was called "Science High-school" in Spectacular Spider-Man but that title was never reflected in the actual story. The only other brainiac in the school besides Peter was Gwen Stacy and she too was an outcast, at least from Flash and co)
I did get the outcast vibe from Peter and Ned in Homecoming though. Wasn’t the whole house party scene an attempt by the two of them to fit in? FFH is still a little fresh, so I don’t yet remember it as well, but even the trailer has Flash yelling at Peter in front of everyone. His “nerd/uncool” element is still there, maybe just a bit more nuanced or in the background.
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