Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[BoredGuy]

yeah, she may very well be sticking around as Dom, so no thanks on that one

I just wish Lupita N'yongo wasn't wasted on Nakia, she'd have been a great 'Ro

 

[Iceman]

Speaking of Beast, somebody mentioned that having a visible mutant character on the team is important and I sort of agree with that. But I'm afraid having Nightcrawler again so soon after DP would burn him out. And Beast is also better served sitting out the first two films imo. So I'm not sure who they could use to fill this quota if not Kurt.

Marrow? But she's a Morlock. Anole? Pixie? I guess it depends on how deep they want to go into the mythos.

We can have more than one. Unless you just want the token visible mutant character. I like seeing how one visibly mutant character relates to another. Also otherwise it can look like a normal human team with one “freak”.

 

[Iceman]

So I just saw some Eternals set pics and someone is wearing a costume that looks perfectly Phoenix-esque (the White Hot Phoenix of the Crown version). I'm once again super sour.

Hopefully none of us will have any reason to be sour after a few MCU X-Men films. As long as they get the characters right I can live with other things not being quite up to the same standard. The MCU to date has done a good job on this front over a large number of films so there’s every reason to be hopeful.

 

[EnDz0n3]

If they use Marrow, they could basically do a reverse of her arc in the comics. Where instead of starting as a Morlock and then joining the X-Men, she starts as an X-Man and then finds the Morlocks after having a falling out with the team. I mean, the X-Men is a rotating roster that does change consistently.

That's Blink's/Jamie Chung's storyline from The Gifted tv show.

 

[psylockolussus]

That show was pretty bad.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

I was thinking, with Feige overseeing both the movies and D+, would it be possible for X-Men to follow the structure some anime have, where the IP has a show with seasons, but every once in a while there is a movie about a big event? For example as a kid I watched Pokémon where basically every season had a movie to go along with it. Or how Psycho-Pass went S1-->S2-->longer movie-->trilogy of shorter movies focussed on specific characters -->S3. The larger team might warrant it and it would allow for more focus on character. With how D+ shows are not bound to rigid yearly seasons this might work well?

 

[Mad Ones]

I was thinking, with Feige overseeing both the movies and D+, would it be possible for X-Men to follow the structure some anime have, where the IP has a show with seasons, but every once in a while there is a movie about a big event? For example as a kid I watched Pokémon where basically every season had a movie to go along with it. Or how Psycho-Pass went S1-->S2-->longer movie-->trilogy of shorter movies focussed on specific characters -->S3. The larger team might warrant it and it would allow for more focus on character. With how D+ shows are not bound to rigid yearly seasons this might work well?

This flexibility is ideal but I dont know if casual audiences would be on board or if the industry would want to try. I’ve seen some complaints already about how WandaVision will be important for Doctor Strange 2 (which just seems like common sense to me but I’m not a casual fan).

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Hmm, I suppose so, but I'm 99% sure that a large amount, maybe even the majority of people who saw Pokémon the First Movie/Mewtwo Strikes back didn't watch the whole Indigo League season of the show and I don't think it mattered. As long as you had a general idea of what Pokémon is you'd be able to watch it. The same would apply here. People know who the X-Men are, people know who Wanda is. It's like someone else said here before, we could've gotten a show about what Cap, Widow, etc. were doing between Civil War and Infinity War, why was Widow blonde? We could have gotten a show about Bruce and Hulk making peace and Hulk becoming a major hero after the snap. We didn't, but were able to follow IW and Endgame just fine. If back then D+ was a thing and those shows existed, would the complaints be warranted even if IW and Endgame were unchanged?

 

[Marvel united]

We can have more than one. Unless you just want the token visible mutant character. I like seeing how one visibly mutant character relates to another. Also otherwise it can look like a normal human team with one “freak”.

Yea, they'd be like the team mascot. A mutant who can't conform/blend in with normal society like the others.

But there can be more than one

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Doop

 

[Iceman]

I was thinking, with Feige overseeing both the movies and D+, would it be possible for X-Men to follow the structure some anime have, where the IP has a show with seasons, but every once in a while there is a movie about a big event? For example as a kid I watched Pokémon where basically every season had a movie to go along with it. Or how Psycho-Pass went S1-->S2-->longer movie-->trilogy of shorter movies focussed on specific characters -->S3. The larger team might warrant it and it would allow for more focus on character. With how D+ shows are not bound to rigid yearly seasons this might work well?

Sounds like an interesting method.

 

[Marvel united]

Been rewatching X-Men: Evolution on Disney+ and I gotta say, I wouldn't mind Marvel taking some elements from the show. The streamlined/modernized elements of the mythology.

I'm enjoying Gargoyles too

 

[TheVileOne]

Been rewatching X-Men: Evolution on Disney+ and I gotta say, I wouldn't mind Marvel taking some elements from the show. The streamlined/modernized elements of the mythology.

I'm enjoying Gargoyles too

Evolution wasn't bad for its time. It got progressively better as it continued.

 

[Mad Ones]

Yea, they'd be like the team mascot. A mutant who can't conform/blend in with normal society like the others.

But there can be more than one

If we're talking actual mascots, Warlock or Lockheed would be perfect. Groot's got nothing on those two. And think of the merch they could sell...

Been rewatching X-Men: Evolution on Disney+ and I gotta say, I wouldn't mind Marvel taking some elements from the show. The streamlined/modernized elements of the mythology.

I'm enjoying Gargoyles too

For some ungodly reason, X-men Evolution is not on Disney+ Canada But I love that series.

 

[BoredGuy]

I hated Evolution

But it may be because I was just slightly too old when it came out, so all the painful "teen-speak" annoyed me to no end

and again, I grew up with Cyclops and Jean as adults, so seeing them go through high school drama did nothing for me

The animation wasn't bad though, it was as close to Batman TAS quality animation Marvel had up to that point

 

[Chris B]

Been rewatching X-Men: Evolution on Disney+ and I gotta say, I wouldn't mind Marvel taking some elements from the show. The streamlined/modernized elements of the mythology.

I also really liked that show back in the day, especially the latter seasons. I still think that it could've served as the basis for an early 00's Marvel animated universe.

It also provides a decent template for how mutants could be introduced into the MCU. Namely the general public not being aware of the existence of mutants until a public incident of some sort outs them and the subsequent fallout that comes from that.

 

[JP]

Love Evolution.

 

[Jordacar]

If you were to picture the CW-style teen soap version of X-Men (that's nonetheless a faithful adaptation), it's exactly Evolution. And honestly, I kind of love that about it.

 

[Marvel united]

Could it be?

 

[Detective Conan]

Hmm, well 2023 would be four years after Dark Phoenix and funny enough the real world would’ve caught up to the MCU’s present timeline by then, lol.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Anyone got some Pym particles or Cable’s time device so we can slide to 2023??

 

[sleekstereo]

What about Jacob Elordi (Euphoria) as Cyclops?

 

[psylockolussus]

So Disney just set 4 dates for 2023 and 1 more for 2022!

Surely, the Mutants would get one of those dates?

 

[The Overlord]

So who should be the villain of the first film?

I am really sick of Magneto, don't want him for a while. The Fox movies did a bad take on Apocalypse and overexposed secondary villains like William Stryker.

Mr. Sinister is a villain the Fox movies never got around to, but I wouldn't use him in the first movie.

I think the Sentinels might be the best choice, they only appeared in one Fox movie and as secondary villains, so I think they can be used again. I would combine aspects of the Silver Age Sentinels with Operation Zero Tolerance.

Master Mold is the AI creating Sentinels (I am not sure Master Mold has to be a giant robot that makes smaller robots, that may look weird in live-action and may blow up the budget) who secretly decides to turn against its masters and plans to take over to better ''protect'' humanity from mutants. I could even see a place for Bastion, the most convoluted X-Men villain ever, ditching his convoluted comic origins and just make an advanced Sentinel disguised as a human Master Mold created in secret to influence the anti-mutant movement and make it subservient. Just spitballing here.

 

[Marvel united]

@The Overlord

I'm guessing that Marvel will want to go with a villain we've never seen before for the first movie.

But for the main antagonist, I'd go with a mutant villain(s) terrorising humanity. Because it frames and applies Rule No.1 of the X-Men in practical context and that is: Protecting those that hate and fear you. Someone like Henry P. Gyrich, Valerie Cooper etc can be secondary antagonists

IMO the mutant genocide angle was used as a crutch by Fox and it's lost the emotional punch it's supposed to have. I hope Marvel examines the mutant prejudice angle from a much less generalized, exaggerated view and instead opts for something that feels more readily contemporary and honest to how discrimination manifests itself today -- i.e Kitty/Jubilee applying for a Summer job and having her application rejected because she is a mutant. Or popular mutant social media personalities and mutant celebrities existing in the Entertainment industry i.e Jumbo Carnation (New X-Men) and still facing discrimination in those higher hierarchies of society.

And of course, we can still show racial bias can lead to a fatal outcome. For instance -- in the Midpoint, the X-Men huddled up together in the Mansion watching a news report where we see a police involved shooting has taken place: an officer has shot and killed an unarmed blue teenager because he "feared for his life".. We later see at the end of the movie, after the X-Men have saved the day, that this officer was exonerated because the Law found that he had legitimate grounds to kill this kid. And this would just reinforce the struggle but in a relevant, modern context. You could also do some very interesting things with Genosha as well, with the Asylum seekers parallel.

I'd introduce the Sentinels in the second movie as what they are meant to be- extensions of the system used to oppress and police the mutant community as Gov officials become more and more paranoid about the rising number of mutants. But the mutant extermination angle should gradually built up and saved for future films so when it finally gets to that point in human-mutant relations, it actually has impact and meaning again. And it's strengthened by longterm emotional investment from an audience that has grown with these characters.