Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Detective Conan]

Marvel Star Mark Ruffalo Wants to Make Hulk vs. Wolverine

 

[Mad Ones]

Marvel Star Mark Ruffalo Wants to Make Hulk vs. Wolverine

Make this movie and leave Wolverine out of the first X-men movie. This is a guaranteed billion dollars.

 

[Zorro]

Been watching X-Men animated shows on disney + and now I'm getting anxious for news again on MCU X-Men being developed.

I want it to finally be that time when we get an official announcement with a logo and release date, casting announcements, leaks, rumors, interviews, etc.

 

[Bayne]

I think the idea that a totally rebooted Deadpool with a new actor and style would be successful, even in the MCU, is a pipe dream.

Reynolds made people love this character and the only way people will be ok with him going is if he's ready to go, not him just getting booted because MS can't work with him. If Disney wants to make money on this character specifically, then it's either work with him in the MCU or don't put him in the MCU at all and let him do his own thing in his own separate movie series.

The only other alternative is to just have no Deadpool period.

 

[SumT]

"Not one single actor is more important than the character"

we have gotten plenty of Batmans, Supermans, Spidermans, Jokers....
Pretending Ryan is the be all end all is just........ pleeeeease,

 

[Lip]

Well, I find really hard to believe MS can't make a successful Deadpool without Reynolds.

I'm not saying MS can't fail or that Reynolds isn't great, but come on... the idea that the character only works with him sounds more like fanboy wish of "it's either him or nobody else".

 

[EnDz0n3]

I think the idea that a totally rebooted Deadpool with a new actor and style would be successful, even in the MCU, is a pipe dream.

Reynolds made people love this character and the only way people will be ok with him going is if he's ready to go, not him just getting booted because MS can't work with him. If Disney wants to make money on this character specifically, then it's either work with him in the MCU or don't put him in the MCU at all and let him do his own thing in his own separate movie series.

The only other alternative is to just have no Deadpool period.

 

[Bayne]

Nobody said that Reynolds is the be all and end all and no one else will ever be able to make the character work.

The point is that there's a difference between rebooting a series that's run its course or tossing a wildly popular series aside because you 'can't work with' someone. One of those things will get you the benefit of the doubt and ensure that you have the chance to prove your new version is worth something. The other will just piss off almost everyone who liked the series you tossed aside and take a massive chunk out of your potential audience. Replacing Reynolds now would be like recasting Downey for Iron Man 3. It's an utterly insane concept.

 

[Lip]

Nobody said that Reynolds is the be all and end all and no one else will ever be able to make the character work.

You pretty much said "I think the idea that a totally rebooted Deadpool with a new actor and style would be successful, even in the MCU, is a pipe dream.". Then you ended with "The only other alternative is to just have no Deadpool period." So you're basically saying it's either Reynolds or I don't want to see any other Deadpool.

The point is that there's a difference between rebooting a series that's run its course or tossing a wildly popular series aside because you 'can't work with' someone.

And we're saying that, if they get to that point, Reynolds is the one who's going to have to learn how to collaborate. Who do you think will be tossed aside: Reynolds, responsible for one successful franchise, or Feige, responsible for the entire MCU?

Feige isn't Tim Miller and the MCU has been doing fine without Deadpool, FF and the X-Men. If Reynolds can't work with them, he'll be tossed aside. And Deadpool can be rebooted years later, if they want to.

 

[terry78]

At this point Reynolds is synonymous with the character, and unless MCU just makes drastic change he'll be onboard for a minute since he's still pretty youthful.

 

[Shuri]

Deadpool is cool, but I don't care much about that character. Whatever they do with the character, with or without Reynolds makes no difference to me.

 

[Marvel united]

What is the point of doing Deadpool without Reynolds? He is what made the character a blockbuster force to be reckoned with. That's like rebooting Iron Man while Robert Downey is still in the role. I agree with Bayne, I don't want to see Deadpool unless Ryan is In the role and I'm sure this applies to millions of other people too.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Nobody said that Reynolds is the be all and end all and no one else will ever be able to make the character work.

I think the idea that a totally rebooted Deadpool with a new actor and style would be successful, even in the MCU, is a pipe dream.

 

[terry78]

 

[MilkmanDan]

What is the point of doing Deadpool without Reynolds? He is what made the character a blockbuster force to be reckoned with. That's like rebooting Iron Man while Robert Downey is still in the role. I agree with Bayne, I don't want to see Deadpool unless Ryan is In the role and I'm sure this applies to millions of other people too.

Reynolds was instrumental in getting a Deadpool movie made. And he is perfect for the role. However, all the things that people like about the movie and the character are inherent to Deadpool. What made the films a success is that they were faithful to the source material.

Downey took a character and made it his own. Reynolds was a well cast actor who, fortunately, was also a fan of the original character. I'd be fine with another actor playing Deadpool. Of course I don't want it, but if it comes to it, I can live with someone else saying all those funny lines.

 

[terry78]

Ehhh, I woujldn't be so sure. Reynolds' inflection and tone when saying those quips are his own voice, and honestly at some point I pretty much just started hearing his voice whenever I read dialogue from the character in the books.

 

[Lip]

What is the point of doing Deadpool without Reynolds? He is what made the character a blockbuster force to be reckoned with. That's like rebooting Iron Man while Robert Downey is still in the role. I agree with Bayne, I don't want to see Deadpool unless Ryan is In the role and I'm sure this applies to millions of other people too.

You love Reynolds as Deadpool, and millions of other people do too (myself included). You said yourself you don't want to see Deadpool unless is Ryan in the role. That's your personal preference and there's no arguing with that. But you have to separate your personal preferences from reality. You wanting Reynolds in the role no matter what does not equal Marvel Studios never being able to make the character work. Those two things are radically different things and that's what we're pointing out.

We're talking about comicbook movies. As outstanding an actor is, for me, the character is always bigger. So saying Deadpool can only exists on the big screen if one specific actor is playing him, is like saying Xavier and Eric can only work on the big screen if they're being played by McAvoy and Fassbender (or Stewart and McKellen). Or that Joker could only be played by Ledger.

I'm a fan of the characters, so I'm more excited to see Charles and Eric in the MCU than McAvoy and Fassbender.

Like I said, tastes and personal preferences can't be argued. You like what you like. But I'm sure that, if they want to, MS can make Deadpool work without Reynolds. And that's the point.

And if, for some reason, it comes down to creative differences between Reynolds and Feige, similar to Reynolds and Miller... I have a feeling of which one of them Marvel/Disney would let go.

 

[psylockolussus]

No one is irreplaceable Xpecially the ones that started in foX-Marvel movies. The Professor and the Wolverine are going to be played by another actor when they are appear in the Mcu, and Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman have appeared in more successful X-Men movies and not just two movies.

Deadpool doesn't need to be in any strict ''universe'', he transcends everything.

Says who really? Just because the character breaks the fourth wall, it doesn't mean he should only be played by 1 actor. Also how many Deadpool films will Ryan Reynolds star in if he enters the mcu? Can he headline a Deadpool 10, and still make it as successful as the first Deadpool film? (Not that I need ten Deadpool films in the mcu) Everyone who entered the mcu that appeared in a non mcu film before, have been replaced by another actor with 1 eXception, a side character of Spider-Man. Recasting Deadpool is not going to be a deal breaker as long as they hire a good actor in the role, and that the movie won't suck.

Marvel Star Mark Ruffalo Wants to Make Hulk vs. Wolverine

Eh.

 

[Bayne]

You pretty much said "I think the idea that a totally rebooted Deadpool with a new actor and style would be successful, even in the MCU, is a pipe dream.". Then you ended with "The only other alternative is to just have no Deadpool period." So you're basically saying it's either Reynolds or I don't want to see any other Deadpool.

No, I'm saying *right now* there is no believable path to a succesful Deadpool movie that doesn't include Reynolds. If Reynolds and Marvel part ways then maybe 8-10 years from now, there'll be enough distance between them that a new deadpool could work fine. But not now. That, as I said, woud be like recasting Downey for IM3.

]And we're saying that, if they get to that point, Reynolds is the one who's going to have to learn how to collaborate. Who do you think will be tossed aside: Reynolds, responsible for one successful franchise, or Feige, responsible for the entire MCU?

Feige isn't Tim Miller and the MCU has been doing fine without Deadpool, FF and the X-Men. If Reynolds can't work with them, he'll be tossed aside. And Deadpool can be rebooted years later, if they want to.

I never said otherwise. All I'm saying is if Reynolds and Marvel can't work together, then the only realistic result of that (assuming everything belongs to the MCU) is no more Deadpool for a long time.

And that's only if Feige wants to and is able to convince Disney that letting go of the DP franchise's profit potential is worth it, because from Disney's pov the more logical solution to such a problem would be that the MCU just doesn't get Deadpool and Reynolds makes his own, separate DP3.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well first, Marvel Studios have so many properties they can cling to. Recasting Deadpool isn't gonna be a deal breaker Xpecially if they can make a good Deadpool movie. If it is a deal breaker, well like I said, they've other properties. I don't really see whats so Xpecial with Reynolds' Deadpool Xpecially a lot of the mcu films have outgrossed his two films. If he's more popular than the Avengers, okay. Captain Marvel and Black Panther already managed to earn a billion with just 1 solo film. While the public was fine with Tom Holland, and he was the third actor to play Spider-Man in just ten years but that didnt matter.

I also suggested late 2020s which means no Deadpool for a long time.

The way I see it, its a complete fresh start by recasting Deadpool. Feige and company get to cast someone else in the role, that didn't already play Deadpool in any of the FoX movies.

 

[Bayne]

^Nobody said a lack of Deadpool would sink the MCU. Of course the fate of the MCU is not at stake. But both of his films earned 780m. Those are very strong numbers that Disney obviously wants to see continue, in addition to also seeing the 1b numbers from BP, CM, SM, Avengers, etc, also continue.

And I really don't see what could possibly matter about Reynolds having been in the fox movies. He played that abomination in Wolverine Origins and people still came out in droves for Deadpool. His character has already proven itself above being dragged down by Fox's past mistakes.

 

[psylockolussus]

And both of The Amazing Spider-Man films also earned more than 700 million, yet Marvel was quick to recast Spider-Man. And there's a difference between keeping Ryan Reynolds after the abomination that is Origins Wolverine in another FoX movie and keeping Ryan Reynolds to appear in a mcu franchise which have a history of rebooting Marvel characters from scratch. Hugh/Patrick also appeared in that abomination film by the way and later appeared in more foX Marvel movies.

Personally speaking, if they are gonna reboot the character, they should get someone else unless they really think Deadpool can only be played by 1 actor... yet Batman, Spider-Man, Superman and the Professor aren't.

And yes another Deadpool film, can easily guarantee them an easy 800 million. But I'm not looking at this as a strategyto easy money and if Marvel Studios/Disney always prioritize easy money then they should have released Iron Man 4/5/6 by now and not dare to make films for lesser known characters.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Who would you even recast as Deadpool?

I woulda said Zachary Levi but that ship has sailed.

 

[Bayne]

And both of The Amazing Spider-Man films also earned more than 700 million, yet Marvel was quick to recast Spider-Man. And there's a difference between keeping Ryan Reynolds after the abomination that is Origins Wolverine in another FoX movie and keeping Ryan Reynolds to appear in a mcu franchise which have a history of rebooting Marvel characters from scratch. Hugh/Patrick also appeared in that abomination film by the way and later appeared in more foX Marvel movies.

Personally speaking, if they are gonna reboot the character, they should get someone else unless they really think Deadpool can only be played by 1 actor... yet Batman, Spider-Man, Superman and the Professor aren't.

And yes another Deadpool film, can easily guarantee them an easy 800 million. But I'm not looking at this as a strategyto easy money and if Marvel Studios/Disney always prioritize easy money then they should have released Iron Man 4/5/6 by now and not dare to make films for lesser known characters.

The ASM films were critical flops on a significant downward trend financially. Deadpool 2 made more money than 1 and both films are well regarded with a large fanbase. The only reason marvel got any part of the Spider-man franchise at all is because Sony was flailing and unpopular by themselves, so continuing any part of that ASM franchise would have made little sense.

Also, Hugh and Patrick weren't even in the same league as Reynolds when it came to being completely and totally destroyed by Origins. That movie was a fairly insignificant blip in their otherwise illustrious x-men careers. Reynolds went from one of the most hated portrayals of a comic book character in history to starring as the same character (with a completely different history) in probably one of the most profitable superhero movies in history. Which got made solely because of public demand resulting from leaked test footage that showed almost nothing other than Reynolds' acting. And fueled in large part by a highly successful marketing campaign that also relied almost entirely on Reynolds' acting. That's how much people liked his version of the character.

And continuing Iron Man just for easy money wouldn't have been as smart a play as one may think. IM2 and IM3 got controversial reception at best. Making Downey the star of the Avengers movies and letting him help other character's movies was working very well, possibly better than an IM4 would've worked, and was unquestionably cheaper and simpler to make since Downey's price has been going up and up and his contract was running out (yet couldn't be allowed to end before the big Avengers finale without risking the failure of the whole overarching story project).

Continuing Deadpool for easy money, though... Disney doesn't risk much of anything in that scenario. It's basically free money. There are lots and lots of examples in the world to show that Disney very much likes free money. Forcing him into the MCU if there's conflict would be bad, but if there's conflict he can just continue what he's doing under the fox label. If there's no serious conflict then there's absolutely no reason to even consider risking the backlash that would come from recasting what is unquestionably one of the top ten most popular superhero actors still around right now.

A 'fresh start' with this character does not actually achieve anything at all, and the character as he already exists can easily slot right into an MCU movie with no serious issues (beyond the necessary agreements about how to handle violence and profanity - an issue which always comes with the character regardless of actor). The backstory changes would not only not be a problem, they're actual fodder for the character's shtick - fodder which you can't use with a different actor without it coming across as an (inevitably unpopular) attack on Reynolds.

Keep Reynolds and you have a highly capable and popular actor who is considered synonymous with the character to draw audiences in and also reassure existing fans that any stylistic changes (which would inevitably happen to at least some extent under the MCU) have Reynolds' blessing and won't seriously damage/alter the character.

Insist on a full reboot and you have an untested actor who will automatically be saddled with the resentment of being the guy who replaced Reynolds while also simultaneously being blamed for the inevitable stylistic changes to the character, all arriving just in time to be the poster child for the also inevitable 'MCU hasn't been as good since Downey and Evans left' chorus. Who would even want that job? It's just begging to be the next Leto Joker/Affleck Batman, etc.

And what would the point of that risk even be? What does the MCU get out of a non-Reynolds Deadpool? He's never going to be the next Cap or Tony. He's not going to be 'one of the team' when the Avengers movies roll around. He's just another funny guy bouncing around other people's movies and ocassionally getting his own. As established already, the MCU doesn't need him and the character doesn't need the MCU.

Either Reynolds will continue to be Deadpool or there won't be any Deadpool for a long time. That's what it comes down to.

 

[psylockolussus]

Who would you even recast as Deadpool?

I woulda said Zachary Levi but that ship has sailed.

I don't have anyone in mind right now.

Imo, Marvel Studios should introduce the Fantastic Four and the mutants first. Build them up and remove the sting from the last couple of bad FF/XM films. And just save Deadpool in 2027 or 2028. Marvel Studios is releasing 4 films per year starting in 2021, they might want to save someone already well known in the late 2020s