Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

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I'm super happy we're getting at least 3 superhero movies led by a female character next year. And hopefully there'll be more moving forward.

But... who is Black Widow after that WW84 trailer?

So if they ever get Storm a solo movie, I hope she gets an epic treatment like that.
Honestly, I could care less if it's female led. When did this become a thing? Honestly, most comic fans are men and that's kind of who the target audience is. But I have nothing against established superhero characters, I just don't like the idea of changing them female just for the sake of it. Just create a new one. I know Jane Foster's Thor is in the comics but I am just not feeling that at all.
 
Honestly, I could care less if it's female led. When did this become a thing? Honestly, most comic fans are men and that's kind of who the target audience is.

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The target of CB and CBM are not, should not and will not be men only (or mostly men).

Women have been denied from protagonism for many, many years in this genre (and others). So having 3 female leads next year is something should and will be celebrated by many.

And even if the target audience was men (which certainly is not), the importance of female leads goes beyond women feeling represented (which is already extremely important). How many straight cis men have a woman as an idol? Whether as a singer, director, writer, an artist in general, a character, or simply a teacher or a mentor? How many men look up to a woman and say "I want to be like her"?

Wonder Woman is a bad ass character and she should be inspiring both girls and boys. And so should Storm, Jean, Natasha, Carol, etc...

Whether you "couldn't care less" or not, change is already on its way.
 
I'm still hoping for an X-Men: Evolution-inspired Storm for the MCU, i.e. one of the leaders / headmaster with Charles. Put a woman at the head of the X-Men, and Cyclops can be the field leader.

I've thrown Janelle Monae's name out there, but Cynthia Erivo has been on my radar too, and given her awards buzz, she might be the high-caliber talent on the rise that the MCU likes to recruit.

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I like the idea of Storm running the school and Cyclops being a field leader. I guess they could also have Xavier be the founder of the X-Men who now largely focuses on mutant research with Moira and later acts a spokesperson on mutant issues once their existence becomes public knowledge.

That way they could all have leadership roles without stepping on each other's toes too much. Sort of a separation of powers kind of thing.
 
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The target of CB and CBM are not, should not and will not be men only (or mostly men).

Women have been denied from protagonism for many, many years in this genre (and others). So having 3 female leads next year is something should and will be celebrated by many.

And even if the target audience was men (which certainly is not), the importance of female leads goes beyond women feeling represented (which is already extremely important). How many straight cis men have a woman as an idol? Whether as a singer, director, writer, an artist in general, a character, or simply a teacher or a mentor? How many men look up to a woman and say "I want to be like her"?

Wonder Woman is a bad ass character and she should be inspiring both girls and boys. And so should Storm, Jean, Natasha, Carol, etc...

Whether you "couldn't care less" or not, change is already on its way.
Please do not try to turn this into some male toxicity thing. :whatever: I'm saying the characters are traditionally male. Thor has been a male for the most part of his Marvel existence. I have no problem with Valkerie getting screen time. But I do not care for a Jane Thor. My gawd man! I don't get why people try to make you sound like you are a bigot or whatever when you just like the CLASSIC characters. If you want female characters then just invent them.
 
That would be wonderful! I imagine Moira being an active, integral member to the X-Family, especially the O5.

And speaking of 90s Magneto, we could also get a recreation of these iconic shots
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In this opening sequence just to establish the tone and mood for this film


Magneto simply appearing does not mean he will be the focus of the film. What it serves to do is address the elephant in the room ("Where is Magneto") and establish Erik's place in this franchise so they *can focus on other storylines and villains in the meantime- while also planting the seeds for future installments for when Marvel is ready to do Magneto again. It's setup with the potential for payoff. Think about it in terms of how it can be practically applied to a story/franchise.

And Happy holidays, everyone!
No I've had enough Magneto.

Its the same mentality that plagued the FoX films for shoving Magneto in every X-Men film. Magneto Magneto Magneto.
 
Please do not try to turn this into some male toxicity thing. :whatever: I'm saying the characters are traditionally male. Thor has been a male for the most part of his Marvel existence. I have no problem with Valkerie getting screen time. But I do not care for a Jane Thor. My gawd man! I don't get why people try to make you sound like you are a bigot or whatever when you just like the CLASSIC characters. If you want female characters then just invent them.
Well, Storm was cited in the original post so we are talking about classic characters here. What needs to be taken into account with these classic characters is when they were created and the social attitudes of that time. And considering women are half of the audience paying to see these films, it's high time we got more female protagonists in these movies- which we are starting to see now.

More than one type of person should be represented in these movies -- in a *meaningful way, I might add. (not just as a backdrop). Because these films are enjoyed by a diverse audience.

A Storm film is ripe for potential and would be a great addition to the MCU
 
Please do not try to turn this into some male toxicity thing. :whatever: I'm saying the characters are traditionally male. Thor has been a male for the most part of his Marvel existence. I have no problem with Valkerie getting screen time. But I do not care for a Jane Thor. My gawd man! I don't get why people try to make you sound like you are a bigot or whatever when you just like the CLASSIC characters. If you want female characters then just invent them.

I was talking about Wonder Woman, Black Widow and Harley Quinn leading their movies next year, and you literally (literally) said you couldn't care less because most of the audience is men and they should be the target.

"Honestly, I could care less if it's female led. When did this become a thing? Honestly, most comic fans are men and that's kind of who the target audience is."
 
Can he do that? I think that will require a lot of concentration

What if Mr. Sinister has been keeping Professor X under stasis & using his powers to keep mutantkind hidden, so that he can continue his experiments in secret? Sounds wild, but think of how crazy of a post-credit reveal that would be.
 
I'm all the way in for a Storm movie. Use the Morlocks. Use Shadow King. Or Forge. Or Black Panther. Or all. Or none. You can adapt any of the pantheon of lesser/less monumental X-Men stories to cater to a Storm solo flick.

Her character really has potential in the right hands and I'm looking forward to the day I start seeing her image alongside Spidey, Hulk, Cap Marvel, etc.
 
I'm all the way in for a Storm movie. Use the Morlocks. Use Shadow King. Or Forge. Or Black Panther. Or all. Or none. You can adapt any of the pantheon of lesser/less monumental X-Men stories to cater to a Storm solo flick.

Her character really has potential in the right hands and I'm looking forward to the day I start seeing her image alongside Spidey, Hulk, Cap Marvel, etc.
I think she is going to be huge if they get her right. She can also be a massive boost for the X-Men as co-leader, and for the MCU as a whole. The general audience has only seen Storm-lite so far and will be blown away if they see how good the real thing can be.
 
Well, Storm was cited in the original post so we are talking about classic characters here. What needs to be taken into account with these classic characters is when they were created and the social attitudes of that time. And considering women are half of the audience paying to see these films, it's high time we got more female protagonists in these movies- which we are starting to see now.

More than one type of person should be represented in these movies -- in a *meaningful way, I might add. (not just as a backdrop). Because these films are enjoyed by a diverse audience.

A Storm film is ripe for potential and would be a great addition to the MCU
No I agree that Storm should get time, heck she should get her own movie. But I'm just not feeling the changing genders for the sake of it. There are thousands of characters you can build up if it makes sense.
 
No I agree that Storm should get time, heck she should get her own movie. But I'm just not feeling the changing genders for the sake of it. There are thousands of characters you can build up if it makes sense.
But.... What does that have to do with anything we're talking about here?
 
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Nope.

And clearly you did not read my post as I mentioned Nova and Black Knight..... and as if Dr. Doom, Magneto and the villains you probably want to suggest to headline a solo film/show hasn't appeared yet and are considered "new ips". So yeah just no to all to what you just said.

Nope what? X-Men is a subset of mutants whether you like it or not.

No to everything I said is fine, but Marvel is already doing a villain show with Loki. It doesn't matter what you like or doesn't like and no one cares. You either accept it or get off the MCU boat. Not a loss to anyone either way.
 
No. I'm not getting off any boat but thanks for caring.
What if Mr. Sinister has been keeping Professor X under stasis & using his powers to keep mutantkind hidden, so that he can continue his experiments in secret? Sounds wild, but think of how crazy of a post-credit reveal that would be.
I would like that.
 
What if Mr. Sinister has been keeping Professor X under stasis & using his powers to keep mutantkind hidden, so that he can continue his experiments in secret? Sounds wild, but think of how crazy of a post-credit reveal that would be.
But logistically, how would he keep the entire mutant race hidden? It's not like they live underground, they are integrated into everyday normal human society.
 
I honestly think Into the Multiverse will introduce mutants which is why Marvel gave their blessings for the New Mutant movie. But time will tell.
 
I'm all the way in for a Storm movie. Use the Morlocks. Use Shadow King. Or Forge. Or Black Panther. Or all. Or none. You can adapt any of the pantheon of lesser/less monumental X-Men stories to cater to a Storm solo flick.

Her character really has potential in the right hands and I'm looking forward to the day I start seeing her image alongside Spidey, Hulk, Cap Marvel, etc.

I am down with a Storm solo movie as long as it doesn't involve T'Challa. Also, introducing Gambit in a Storm movie would be great. I really want her to have that friendship with Remy.
 
Storm should absolutely get her own movie. I'm a bit torn on what it should focus on though. I've been a big proponent for adapting Lifedeath 1 & 2. The Windsor-Smith art and deeply personal stories pretty much transcended superhero comics. However, a movie about someone with the coolest powers in comics without those powers is a hard sell. Storm was strong in different ways during that time, but the depowering story needs a particularly skillful writer. Lifedeath would be really well suited to two WatchmenHBO-quality TV episodes on Disney+, maybe as part of a X-men anthology that fleshes out the histories of the characters.

The episode "Whatever It Takes" from The Animated Series had an approach I liked. The Shadow King possessed the boy who essentially is the teenage version of the baby Storm delivered in Lifedeath in order to lure her into a trap. I thought this episode did a lot to give Storm a supporting cast and flesh out the Shadow King as part of her rogues gallery. A "Lifedeath" Disney+ lead up to a "Whatever it Takes" inspired movie would be cool.

Storm also has great stories with Callisto and Yukio where she gets an edge, dons her punk look, and starts considering proactively taking on the X-men's enemies (Storm basically had the development Cyclops got in the 2000s in the 80s). Storm just doesn't have an enemy that really tests her powers (ie gives the movie an excuse to showoff everything she can do). Even the Shadow King is a psionic entity, not a physical threat. If Marvel was smart (which it rarely is) it would assign a brilliant writer to write a Storm comic series right now to start doing that groundwork (supporting cast, rogues gallery, etc).
 
I don't really care about a solo movie as I feel like they could just spend their time working in the neXt X-Men ensemble/team movie. Storm could be the main focus of a X-Men movie like how Iron Man/Star-Lord are in their respective team movies.

I also feel like if they give Storm a solo movie then every other iconic X-Men should do get theirs too (Iceman, Jean,Rogue, Cyclops, etc...) and which studio would really create a solo movie for 10 characters? No one really. So no to solo X-Men movies. And X-Men always work better as a team.
 
I think LifeDeath is a great choice for a Storm movie, but I just don't think you can really do a 'loses powers' storyline for a character's first movie. That sort of thing is what you save for the sequel, for after you've already completely hooked the GA with the full spectacle.
 
Storm should absolutely get her own movie. I'm a bit torn on what it should focus on though. I've been a big proponent for adapting Lifedeath 1 & 2. The Windsor-Smith art and deeply personal stories pretty much transcended superhero comics. However, a movie about someone with the coolest powers in comics without those powers is a hard sell. Storm was strong in different ways during that time, but the depowering story needs a particularly skillful writer. Lifedeath would be really well suited to two WatchmenHBO-quality TV episodes on Disney+, maybe as part of a X-men anthology that fleshes out the histories of the characters.

The episode "Whatever It Takes" from The Animated Series had an approach I liked. The Shadow King possessed the boy who essentially is the teenage version of the baby Storm delivered in Lifedeath in order to lure her into a trap. I thought this episode did a lot to give Storm a supporting cast and flesh out the Shadow King as part of her rogues gallery. A "Lifedeath" Disney+ lead up to a "Whatever it Takes" inspired movie would be cool.

Storm also has great stories with Callisto and Yukio where she gets an edge, dons her punk look, and starts considering proactively taking on the X-men's enemies (Storm basically had the development Cyclops got in the 2000s in the 80s). Storm just doesn't have an enemy that really tests her powers (ie gives the movie an excuse to showoff everything she can do). Even the Shadow King is a psionic entity, not a physical threat. If Marvel was smart (which it rarely is) it would assign a brilliant writer to write a Storm comic series right now to start doing that groundwork (supporting cast, rogues gallery, etc).

That mutha$#&^*@ Coates has practically been begging to write a Storm solo. I wish Marvel would just give it to him so he can get off destroying the black panther solo book. I can't stand the guy.
 
Storm should absolutely get her own movie. I'm a bit torn on what it should focus on though. I've been a big proponent for adapting Lifedeath 1 & 2. The Windsor-Smith art and deeply personal stories pretty much transcended superhero comics. However, a movie about someone with the coolest powers in comics without those powers is a hard sell. Storm was strong in different ways during that time, but the depowering story needs a particularly skillful writer. Lifedeath would be really well suited to two WatchmenHBO-quality TV episodes on Disney+, maybe as part of a X-men anthology that fleshes out the histories of the characters.

The episode "Whatever It Takes" from The Animated Series had an approach I liked. The Shadow King possessed the boy who essentially is the teenage version of the baby Storm delivered in Lifedeath in order to lure her into a trap. I thought this episode did a lot to give Storm a supporting cast and flesh out the Shadow King as part of her rogues gallery. A "Lifedeath" Disney+ lead up to a "Whatever it Takes" inspired movie would be cool.

Storm also has great stories with Callisto and Yukio where she gets an edge, dons her punk look, and starts considering proactively taking on the X-men's enemies (Storm basically had the development Cyclops got in the 2000s in the 80s). Storm just doesn't have an enemy that really tests her powers (ie gives the movie an excuse to showoff everything she can do). Even the Shadow King is a psionic entity, not a physical threat. If Marvel was smart (which it rarely is) it would assign a brilliant writer to write a Storm comic series right now to start doing that groundwork (supporting cast, rogues gallery, etc).

I've been thinking so much about Watchmen lately. What a TV show! If the X-Men movies manage to tackle social issues 10% as brilliant and sensitive as Watchmen did, I'd be very happy.

Also, the way they brought light to such an awful and "forgotten" event like the Tulsa massacre was great. If they are updating Eric eventually, I hope they can do a good work like that.

Anyway, back to Storm, I hope they can get a Ryan Coogler type of writer/director to invest heavily in Storm. Someone who's truly passionate about her and can tell a very powerful story, respecting her african heritage.

She certainly has a massive potential.
 
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