Miami Vice

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, Vice did that. It had us in the moment, in the scenes with them. Not really looking at it....but sort of experiencing it. The camera angles helped that.

And, alot of people complained about the street talk going on. Some people must have gotten lost on it, but It was cool. Realistic.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought I'd post this, it's about the Box Office return for Vice:

In its opening weekend, the film grossed a total of $25.7 million, ranking first in the United States box office results for that weekend. This is the best opening for a Michael Mann film to date. As of September 14, 2006, the film has grossed a total of about $136,720,348 worldwide. According to the claims of a $135 million budget, the film has reclaimed its overall production costs.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Huh
I always thought that about half of the worldwide gross is what the movie really brought up. The other half is goes to theaters who are playing the movie.
How can the movie make it's costs back when it essentially made half it's budget worldwide

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think you just made my mind implode, dude.

I think, at the very least, it's made more then it cost......which, call me crazy, must be a good thing.

 

[Triadkd]

This movie has good legs and if not for set delays and other problems would have already made a nice profit. Also over on the miami vice forum they have the first draft of the script and it sounds pretty good.

 

[matrix_ghost]

I think you just made my mind implode, dude.

I think, at the very least, it's made more then it cost......which, call me crazy, must be a good thing.

Well i'm sure i've read numerous articles where the whole gross thing is explained.

Basically it's like this :

Say you have a movie that costs about 50 mil. It's worldwide gross is 200 million. Remove half of that cause that goes to theaters. You're left with 100 million which is THE actual gross of the movie. Subtract the budget of 50 million and yoú have a profit of 50 million.

Now worldwide Vice made 136 which is about the same as it's budget of 135 ( i think). How the heck can you make you're costs back when the actual gross is about half the movies budget ?
It may depend on just what percenage of the WW gross goes to theaters. Some movies really can break even because of less money going to theaters but genereally ( i think) about half goes to the cinemas.
So yeah , either the budget must be lower then reported or the gross must be higher

Shame really. Cause i did enjoy the flick. DOesn't come to the greatness of Collateral and it did drag alot when Crockett banged Gong Li. Still the action was there as well as the realism.

 

[JTStarkiller]

I thought theaters didn't make a dime on movies. I thought all their profit came from concession/games/etc. I could be wrong, of course.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So, the gross released needs to be subtracted? Or is it usually the actual gross, with the half already given to theaters?

I mean, you pointed out that worldwide it might be different b/c of whatever prices goes down between theaters and stuff.

It's probably made more though, if I had to guess, b/c the budget seems to be about the same reported everywhere.

I dunno....this whole BO thing always seems so complicated, what with worldwide and domestic and the differences between successes and failures.

I wonder though, are DVD sales more important than BO numbers? I mean.....a movie that didn't do well at the BO but did great in DVD sales can still be seen as a success and even get a sequel, no?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought theaters didn't make a dime on movies. I thought all their profit came from concession/games/etc. I could be wrong, of course.

They must turn a hell of a profit, for the price of a large soda and one damn hot dog.......they must make tons in concession and stuff.

 

[Alonsovich]

So, the gross released needs to be subtracted? Or is it usually the actual gross, with the half already given to theaters?

I mean, you pointed out that worldwide it might be different b/c of whatever prices goes down between theaters and stuff.

It's probably made more though, if I had to guess, b/c the budget seems to be about the same reported everywhere.

I dunno....this whole BO thing always seems so complicated, what with worldwide and domestic and the differences between successes and failures.

Some did point out in the Vice forums that HEAT had bombed, which kinda stuns me, at the BO and had been hated by lots of people for a good while only to later become something with DVD sales.

I wonder though, are DVD sales more important than BO numbers? I mean.....a movie that didn't do well at the BO but did great in DVD sales can still be seen as a success and even get a sequel, no?

Here's your answer...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/31/b...tml?ex=1158811200&en=3ed14747b09cdca4&ei=5070

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Seems so, thanks for the link.

Btw, I checked out BoxOffice Mojo, and the updated sales worldwide is $142,859,360.

 

[matrix_ghost]

So, the gross released needs to be subtracted? Or is it usually the actual gross, with the half already given to theaters?

I mean, you pointed out that worldwide it might be different b/c of whatever prices goes down between theaters and stuff.

It's probably made more though, if I had to guess, b/c the budget seems to be about the same reported everywhere.

I dunno....this whole BO thing always seems so complicated, what with worldwide and domestic and the differences between successes and failures.

I wonder though, are DVD sales more important than BO numbers? I mean.....a movie that didn't do well at the BO but did great in DVD sales can still be seen as a success and even get a sequel, no?

The gross reported on sites like BO MOJO are what the movies are bringing in. Without the money they need to give to the theaters.

Yes, DVD sales IMO are a test whether a movie has an audience or not. I mean look at Family Guy. The show was cancelled but due to excellent dvd sales they brought back the show.
Also dvd sales seem to be another way of also making more money. Especially the double dippers
But to answer you're question. Yes it is important.

And Vice is now at 142. Great. With a bit more luck they might even break even

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

What do you mean break even exactly?

Yeah, I hear you. DVD sales does now seem to be a new way fro studios to milk us of cash too......1.5 DVD's for example.....I mean, seriously...wtf.

So....with numbers like this still going, and if it has solid DVD sales.....I guess the studio would have to atleast think about a sequel. Which would be awesome.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

bump

 

[matrix_ghost]

What do you mean break even exactly?

Yeah, I hear you. DVD sales does now seem to be a new way fro studios to milk us of cash too......1.5 DVD's for example.....I mean, seriously...wtf.

So....with numbers like this still going, and if it has solid DVD sales.....I guess the studio would have to atleast think about a sequel. Which would be awesome.

Breaking even simply means that you make back the costs you made in making a movie , without making a profit.

Well i can see this movie having a double dip release ...sadly. Or not hopefully . I do believe that the Box Office is a measurement whether people like a movie or not and/or whether a movie is cfap or not. Having said that , there are exceptions where people simply are waiting for the dvd. I mean look at Schlong Kong ( that's what i call King Kong). Based on it's theatrical gross alone , you'd think it was a massive bomb. But in it's first 6 days or so , it made a whopping 100 million. So even tough a movie may not be a hit in the cinemas , it may be a hit on dvd.

There are of course many factors which can also help Miami Vice make more money on the dvd sales :
- The rating. It's HArd R rating basically limited the amount of people that could see it in the cinemas , but those people can now buy the dvd
- Extras. You release a dvd with good extras and you're sales increase.
- I also read on some sites that the movie was heavily cut. If they made like an extended cut of Vice , then more people would see it. Unlike the cinema , where you'd rather not sit 3 hours when watching a movie , you do have the time to do that at home.


There is talk of Foxx and Farrell who want to do a sequel.
However i'm not exactly sure who to believe. I've read on WIKIPEDIA that Jamie Foxx really acted like an arrogant ass on the movie set which caused the budget to go higher.
On the other hand i also read that MIchael Mann was acting like a jerk which cased the budget to go higher.
So yeah , who to believe really.

I'd like them to make a sequel. Vice was actually one of the better movies released this summer. It did drag with the scenes with Gong Li , however i they can keep a tighter cut for the sequel as well as more realistic action then i could see a sequel happening.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Oh okay, I hear you. Breaking even is simply making back the budget without making more than that.

The R rating is a bigger deal than I think people admit. Not to say families would want to go watch this flick, but that teenage crowd...you lose them.

Yeah, the word is that the film got MASSIVE cuts from the studio. Supposedly a Boat Chase scene was cut out, and I've even heard that a shootout and the ending got cut.

I think a Director's Cut or Extended Version would be awesome, and probably would help.

Rumor has it that there was some problems, but honestly....it doesn't seem so. Farrell and Foxx do genuinely look like friends to me, and they've made it known that they want a sequel. Michael Mann has stated he wants a sequel too, saying he's got an idea ready to write.

I think this film did something ballsey too. It took the old show.....and instead of making a mockery of it, it made it into something serious. How many re-makes of TV shows have been made into tounge-in-cheeks.....or just overall spoofs with the name stamped on?

I mean, even to an extent....Charle's Angels was kinda a toung-in-cheek version of the show, wasn't it? (really....I'm not even sure....)

And there's movies like Starsky and Hutch that just made it into a joke, while still funny....but...still....

So, I think this is something new and fresh. If they make a KNIGHT RIDER movie, for example.....I'd like for it to be about as serious as this movie. Not as dark, per se, but not being a joke-of itself, ya know?

 

[matrix_ghost]

Didn't the final cut of Vice run somewhere around 3 hrs
Not necessarely a bad thing IMO , but i wonder whether Mann cut more action scenes from the movie or the more slower dramatic scenes.

I hope it's the former , cause usually when they cut a movie it's mostly those parts that drag. Action scenes , especially the ones directed by Mann , don't drag.

As for the problems between the cast members. From what i've read on various sites , no one has a problem with Farrell. It's supposedly problems with either Foxx , who post Ray acted like a jerk demanding lots of stuff , Mann , who always uses his gut instinct , or both mann and foxx who couldn't get along with each other.
At the same time i think that everybody looked and acted fine , so i don't know what the big fuss is about.

Anyways should a sequel to vice be made , it shouldn't cost that much. I know that the set sufferend from some hurricane problems and that filming was shut down following some shoot out in Haiti or the dominican republic. But even so , 135 million is just waay to much for a HARD R Michael Maan movie. 90 million MAX. You can do alot with 90 million and you can break even with that number with the theatrical gross and/or dvd sales.

 

[Triadkd]

All those rumors about foxx being a problem on the set are lies. It started when two of the crew members put a klan hood on foxx's trailer as a joke and he didnt take it so well and had them fired. Then one of the guys that was fired went to a tabloid and told them a bunch of lies about the movie's production.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That sounds pretty crazy.

Anyways, yeah......a sequel could easily cost alot less. Not having as much location shooting should be something that would trim the budget.

And I'm with you matrix......if there were problems, I really don't see any signs of them. Even after filming.

Supposedly, there was supposed to be more action scenes. I think someone here posted about a page ago what he had seen in the early cut. For sure, we do know, that there was a boat chase scene that had been cut from the begininng of the film.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Okay, this seems to be the DVD cover art for the GERMANY release. GERMANY, since someone pointed out in the Vice forums that the bottom of the cover, the language appears to be in german.

Which looks like an edited version of the scene where they sneak into Paraguay (although filmed in the Dominican Republic)

 

[matrix_ghost]

I like that cover. Te only thing that's still a bit off , is the Miami Vice logo which should've been pushed more the background

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'd actually prefer the Teaser Poster as the cover. Man....I love that poster.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

This is the one I mean:

 

[NOFX]

Yea I loved that!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

If I had to guess.....I'd imagine that the US dvd cover would have to be that one.

Now, a DC edition...or Extended edition.....or even Special Edition.....might be a different cover.