Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 2

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I didn’t know that McQuarrie had worked on Rogue One.
Apparently, he has a real affinity for stories involving missions and teams.
 
Chases and fist fights were really nice, and Rebecca Ferguson. **** acting from Cruise and especially Cavill, uninspired plot... Rather mediocre film.
 
They have had the impact of Begins, TDK and Inception? Really?

Yes they most certainly did. The Bond movies started taking cues from freaking Jason Bourne. They even hired the stunt choreographer.

Also, Bourne Supremacy predates Batman Begins as well.

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Also you may have forgotten Darth but I haven't. But at the time it came out, Batman Begins' fight scenes were being compared to the Bourne films. In fact some fans were even upset that the fight scenes had those quick cuts and seemed to be trying to mimic The Bourne Supremacy as well.

I've also heard talk that the rough fight footage didn't look good so they had to cut it in a way that looked like the Bourne movies to obscure the issues. So it seems the Bourne films already had an impact on Batman Begins in 2005, for better or worse ;)
 
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yeah bourne's influence on mid-2000s films is everywhere, including casino royale/MI. just like how every early-2000s film was copying the matrix and wire-fu/bullet time

i remember the batman begins boards being critical on the action too. it was very much a bourne inspired affair and hard to follow, especially more because of the night/dark shots. nolan definitely got better in TDK but it was still "sloppy." greengrass does heavy shakycam but somehow makes it "clean," he really is the master of it.
 
yeah bourne's influence on mid-2000s films is everywhere, including casino royale/MI. just like how every early-2000s film was copying the matrix and wire-fu/bullet time

i remember the batman begins boards being critical on the action too. it was very much a bourne inspired affair and hard to follow, especially more because of the night/dark shots. nolan definitely got better in TDK but it was still "sloppy." greengrass does heavy shakycam but somehow makes it "clean," he really is the master of it.
Yup, Bourne Supremacy is when the franchise really blew up and other big movies started taking cues from the Bourne series.

Less so in this decade, but in the last decade, those films had a huge impact.

A lot of Bond fans wanted a reboot for Bond because Die Another Day just became like a ridiculous cartoon, so fans wanted something more akin to the Bourne series. Its influence and impact were significant for the time.
 
I mean, most fans were mighty annoyed when Brosnan was recast. Most (including Brosnan) wanted him to do a darker and grittier Bond. Eon opted to do that... without Brosnan, but there was a huge uproar. So I don't know if fans were really demanding it be Bourne like.

Casino Royale to me felt like classic Bond, with it maybe also jumping on the reboot concept by Batman Begins (that's debatable). Only the admittedly awesome Madagascar chase felt vaguely Bourne-ish. And even then it was shot much better than any Bourne chase, IMO, because it was mostly clean wide shots where you could tell what was going on. Quantum of Solace though was when Bond definitely went full Bourne. Pretty blah so in its execution too.
 
Does anybody have a favorite self destruct tape sequence from the films?
Mine would be the tape sequence from Mission Impossible(1996)
Jim Phelps gets a mission.
Classic MI.
Btw, I was listening to the commentary track for Rogue Nation the other day.
The tape sequence from RN is a tribute to the very first tape sequence in the series, also a vinyl album.
 
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Does anybody have a favorite self destruct tape sequence from the films?

Uh. Good question. I think I like the vinyl from Rogue Nation just because it looks and sounds beautiful.
 
Wasn't sure what to spoiler tag exactly as I kind of have very mild spoilers throughout. So...

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Hmm...

It was pretty good?

I am really trying to figure out where the extra levels of hype are coming from with this one. I guess after the past couple everyone was just primed and ready for this one? To me it was pretty much on par with the rest of the series (well, excluding 2 and somewhat 3, which are below par). Lots and lots of plot, exposition, plot, exposition, action, plot, exposition, plot, action, action, action, plot, drama, action, action, action, Action, ACTION, CARTOON LEVELS OF ACTION.

It definitely seems to hit a bit of a stride somewhere around the bathroom scene. Starts to gain momentum, has that lovely collateral damage vision for Hunt, really good setpiece AND THEN... gets bogged down in its own plot machinations again, starts to feel unwieldy, then delivers the expected third act pyrotechnics which basically amount to Tom Cruise flying a helicopter very unsafely.

Yeah, the Fury Road comparisons did this movie absolutely no favors in my opinion.

The action is good but it's not that sort of distinctive, relentlessly building and story communicative, artful kind of experience that the action was in Fury Road. Here it's very much Mission Impossible/Hollywood setpieces, well-crafted but nothing that will really stick in my brain other than maybe the bathroom scene. And some of the shots from the street chase.

Henry Cavill is once again more of a physical presence than anything. I was pretty non-plussed by him and thought he was actually kind of bad in parts. People love him because of the mustache and arms loaded meme. I think Cruise and Ferguson were the only consistent performers in this one, really, though Ving does get a really nice moment with Ilsa late in the film (even if the whole set-up of that scene is awkward af). Some of the shaky acting/line-readings/performance beats really didn't help all the plot/back-story dumps go down any smoother.

The twist in the film is SOOOO predictable I was thinking there had to be another twist on top of it, but no. And then because you know what the twist is going to be, you can see how it will get outed from a mile away. So that whole part of the film, I mean, there was no dramatic relevance to it because of how the characters were set up in relation to it, so it was just a big fat nothing and an eye-roll for me. The way they use it to add to the personal stakes for Ethan, though, is so ridiculous and contrived... I mean, I don't know what to say. Turn my brain off, I guess?

McQuarrie seems to have established himself as a very solid director of action. Funny because you think his strength would be in the characters and the writing, but other than a somewhat superficial sheen of intelligence, I found most of this story to be about as dumb as your average Hollywood action flick, and also just about as thematically relevant. When a grand statement is made at the end of the film that the world "NEEDS the IMF" it felt like it was supposed to carry some weight with me and my life and in my world, and I'm still trying to figure out what that is. Like, uh, intelligence agencies and counter-terrorism units are good, is that it? But as compromised as those entities are for most of this film, I don't think you can even take that away from it.

But I guess it's good that the world has heroes and that those heroes have a good support network? Yeah, we will go with that. It just doesn't quite resonate because Hunt's heroic acts towards the end of this one feel so unreal you'd think you were watching a Fast & Furious flick.

Anyways, I can't say I hated my time in the theater, it was surely entertaining enough... even if this is yet another Hollywood flick that I thought was unnecessarily long and unfocused and blustery. Like, I am straight up yearning for the days when home video discs actually needed a section for deleted scenes. That said, I do want my shot from the trailer of Hunt almost flying his helicopter into a truck. Seems like a whole (and perhaps more interesting) section of that final setpiece was left out of the film.

Sidenote: this is shot by Rob Hardy, same guy who shot Alex Garland's films, and boy is it a weird experience watching a Mission Impossible movie and constantly thinking, "Uh, yeah, these compositions and the lighting really remind me of Annihilation." I don't know if the gauzy, pastel, soft-lighting and flaring look works great for this type of movie... but it does still kind of work, somehow. And the look of the film aptly hardened up a bit for the final act.
 
Wasn't sure what to spoiler tag exactly as I kind of have very mild spoilers throughout. So...

BEWARE OF MINOR SPOILERS!

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Hmm...

It was pretty good?

I am really trying to figure out where the extra levels of hype are coming from with this one. I guess after the past couple everyone was just primed and ready for this one? To me it was pretty much on par with the rest of the series (well, excluding 2 and somewhat 3, which are below par). Lots and lots of plot, exposition, plot, exposition, action, plot, exposition, plot, action, action, action, plot, drama, action, action, action, Action, ACTION, CARTOON LEVELS OF ACTION.

It definitely seems to hit a bit of a stride somewhere around the bathroom scene. Starts to gain momentum, has that lovely collateral damage vision for Hunt, really good setpiece AND THEN... gets bogged down in its own plot machinations again, starts to feel unwieldy, then delivers the expected third act pyrotechnics which basically amount to Tom Cruise flying a helicopter very unsafely.

Yeah, the Fury Road comparisons did this movie absolutely no favors in my opinion.

The action is good but it's not that sort of distinctive, relentlessly building and story communicative, artful kind of experience that the action was in Fury Road. Here it's very much Mission Impossible/Hollywood setpieces, well-crafted but nothing that will really stick in my brain other than maybe the bathroom scene. And some of the shots from the street chase.

Henry Cavill is once again more of a physical presence than anything. I was pretty non-plussed by him and thought he was actually kind of bad in parts. People love him because of the mustache and arms loaded meme. I think Cruise and Ferguson were the only consistent performers in this one, really, though Ving does get a really nice moment with Ilsa late in the film (even if the whole set-up of that scene is awkward af). Some of the shaky acting/line-readings/performance beats really didn't help all the plot/back-story dumps go down any smoother.

The twist in the film is SOOOO predictable I was thinking there had to be another twist on top of it, but no. And then because you know what the twist is going to be, you can see how it will get outed from a mile away. So that whole part of the film, I mean, there was no dramatic relevance to it because of how the characters were set up in relation to it, so it was just a big fat nothing and an eye-roll for me. The way they use it to add to the personal stakes for Ethan, though, is so ridiculous and contrived... I mean, I don't know what to say. Turn my brain off, I guess?

McQuarrie seems to have established himself as a very solid director of action. Funny because you think his strength would be in the characters and the writing, but other than a somewhat superficial sheen of intelligence, I found most of this story to be about as dumb as your average Hollywood action flick, and also just about as thematically relevant. When a grand statement is made at the end of the film that the world "NEEDS the IMF" it felt like it was supposed to carry some weight with me and my life and in my world, and I'm still trying to figure out what that is. Like, uh, intelligence agencies and counter-terrorism units are good, is that it? But as compromised as those entities are for most of this film, I don't think you can even take that away from it.

But I guess it's good that the world has heroes and that those heroes have a good support network? Yeah, we will go with that. It just doesn't quite resonate because Hunt's heroic acts towards the end of this one feel so unreal you'd think you were watching a Fast & Furious flick.

Anyways, I can't say I hated my time in the theater, it was surely entertaining enough... even if this is yet another Hollywood flick that I thought was unnecessarily long and unfocused and blustery. Like, I am straight up yearning for the days when home video discs actually needed a section for deleted scenes. That said, I do want my shot from the trailer of Hunt almost flying his helicopter into a truck. Seems like a whole (and perhaps more interesting) section of that final setpiece was left out of the film.

Sidenote: this is shot by Rob Hardy, same guy who shot Alex Garland's films, and boy is it a weird experience watching a Mission Impossible movie and constantly thinking, "Uh, yeah, these compositions and the lighting really remind me of Annihilation." I don't know if the gauzy, pastel, soft-lighting and flaring look works great for this type of movie... but it does still kind of work, somehow. And the look of the film aptly hardened up a bit for the final act.
In all of the remaining Helicopter scenes, Tom was flying in an actual helicopter.
The scene that was cut, he was in a rig.
It would have looked like he was in a copter but he wasn’t.
McQuarrie wanted to stick to the realism of it all.
 
I mean, most fans were mighty annoyed when Brosnan was recast. Most (including Brosnan) wanted him to do a darker and grittier Bond. Eon opted to do that... without Brosnan, but there was a huge uproar. So I don't know if fans were really demanding it be Bourne like.

Casino Royale to me felt like classic Bond, with it maybe also jumping on the reboot concept by Batman Begins (that's debatable). Only the admittedly awesome Madagascar chase felt vaguely Bourne-ish. And even then it was shot much better than any Bourne chase, IMO, because it was mostly clean wide shots where you could tell what was going on. Quantum of Solace though was when Bond definitely went full Bourne. Pretty blah so in its execution too.
Agreed, I think characters like Bauer and Bourne becoming popular led to Bond stripping away the gadgets and humour in Casino Royale, a more ruthless and gritty Bond, but the action and spectacle was no different to Goldeneye a decade earlier.
 
In all of the remaining Helicopter scenes, Tom was flying in an actual helicopter.
The scene that was cut, he was in a rig.
It would have looked like he was in a copter but he wasn’t.
McQuarrie wanted to stick to the realism of it all.

Gotcha, thanks.

Though nothing felt very realistic to me in that cliff scene, knamean.
 
Okay.

If you were going to create the ultimate stunt for the next MI film,
What would you do?
Remember, it has to be survivable.
 
FX has snatched up the broadcast to MI:Fallout.
Since they already have GP and RN, we can look forward to a trilogy of MI films in a single day in the near future.
WOO HOO!
 
MI III is on TNT tonight from 10:30pm-1am.
A bit late in the evening.
Better than not showing it at all, though.
 
FX has snatched up the broadcast to MI:Fallout.
Since they already have GP and RN, we can look forward to a trilogy of MI films in a single day in the near future.
WOO HOO!
I can amazingly watch 5 of the 6 all in one day already. :o
 
True, but, I will take my Mission Impossible content any legal way that I can get it,
On TV at the movies or DVD.
 
Does anybody have a favorite self destruct tape sequence from the films?
Mine would be the tape sequence from Mission Impossible(1996)
Jim Phelps gets a mission.
Classic MI.
Btw, I was listening to the commentary track for Rogue Nation the other day.
The tape sequence from RN is a tribute to the very first tape sequence in the series, also a vinyl album.

Has to be the exploding sunglasses from the second one. So cheesy and over the top and X-treme!
 
Saw this tonight and thought it was incredible. The reliance on real stunts rather than CGi is more dangerous, complex and risky for Cruise & McQ, but damn does it pay off - it really ratchets up the tension and gets you so much more invested in the movie. Kudos to them for their commitment.

Cruise is a machine. He does some amazing physical work in this movie for a man of 56.

After seeing a string of disappointing films over the last 18 months - MI : Fallout, A Silent Place and Avengers : Infinity War have reminded me again why I love going to the movies. Completely lost in each film.
 
Yes they most certainly did. The Bond movies started taking cues from freaking Jason Bourne. They even hired the stunt choreographer.

Also, Bourne Supremacy predates Batman Begins as well.

EDIT

Also you may have forgotten Darth but I haven't. But at the time it came out, Batman Begins' fight scenes were being compared to the Bourne films. In fact some fans were even upset that the fight scenes had those quick cuts and seemed to be trying to mimic The Bourne Supremacy as well.

I've also heard talk that the rough fight footage didn't look good so they had to cut it in a way that looked like the Bourne movies to obscure the issues. So it seems the Bourne films already had an impact on Batman Begins in 2005, for better or worse ;)
You know what the best thing about your argument is? The first Bourne looks nothing like the next two. So there was only "one" Bourne movie in that style when Begins came out. And even then, they did it to hide that their Batman couldn't move in that movie, and didn't do it for either TDK or TDKR. :funny:

Are you comparing this to 3 of the 4 Craig's Bond movies basically being riffs on Nolan's Batman? The influence Ledger's Joker has had on villains across well all entertainment? WB's attempt to replicate what Nolan did, both on the big screen and the little. At least 2 attempts to replicate Inception on television? They tried to make Spider-Man Nolan's Batman. And this is even getting into his effect on IMAX and 70mm film. The Burj Khalifa exist in IMAX because of Nolan. Infinity War is in IMAX because of Nolan. This only happens because of Nolan.

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There is no one comparable to Nolan in terms of the influence he has had on film the last decade or so. It is why movies like Dunkirk and Interstellar have both made more money then any Bourne film and people like Denis Villeneuve are sure to be at the theater for every Nolan feature. :cwink:
 
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You know what the best thing about your argument is? The first Bourne looks nothing like the next two. So there was only "one" Bourne movie in that style when Begins came out. And even then, they did it to hide that their Batman couldn't move in that movie, and didn't do it for either TDK or TDKR. :funny:

Are you comparing this to 3 of the 4 Craig's Bond movies basically being riffs on Nolan's Batman? The influence Ledger's Joker has had on villains across well all entertainment? WB's attempt to replicate what Nolan did, both on the big screen and the little. At least 2 attempts to replicate Inception on television? They tried to make Spider-Man Nolan's Batman. And this is even getting into his effect on IMAX and 70mm film. The Burj Khalifa exist in IMAX because of Nolan. Infinity War is in IMAX because of Nolan. This only happens because of Nolan.

Yes. Others here have also acknowledged it. The Bourne movies were undeniably influential at the time.

DarthSkywalker why are you being so defensive? No one is downplaying or underselling the achievements of Christopher Nolan or the impact of The Dark Knight. That was a pretty benchmark seminal movie. It's the first time a comic book movie got an Academy Award for an acting category.

But you can't just change the goal posts and deny the impact the Bourne films also had for a while and they were heavily lauded for their quality at least through The Bourne Ultimatum.

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There is no one comparable to Nolan in terms of the influence he has had on film the last decade or so. It is why movies like Dunkirk and Interstellar have both made more money then any Bourne film and people like Denis Villeneuve are sure to be at the theater for every Nolan feature. :cwink:

JJ Abrams.

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Also if you are going to the box office well dude, The Bourne Ultimatum outgrossed both Dunkirk and Interstellar domestically. And that movie came out in 2007.

Going back to your original question, you asked what movies Greengrass made that had a similar impact of some of Nolan's work, and The Bourne Ultimatum and The Bourne Supremacy definitely come to mind.

Oh look, a brawl without MUSIC in 2007 in a Bourne film. That's something DACrowe pointed out that Nolan did in a lot of scenes. The Bourne Ultimatum did that BEFORE The Dark Knight.

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Supremacy's brawl halfway through also didn't have music. I definitely feel like Nolan and Greengrass both deserve credit. TDK and Bourne were my favorite franchises at that current point.
 
I don't see why it has to be some competition. Nolan does very good work, and I love that what he's done with IMAX filming to major blockbusters. Yes that's huge and I love other films that have followed suit with using IMAX cameras.

But let's also not downplay accomplishments and impact of other important films and directors. Nolan is not the only guy in town who will influence others. It's not like Nolan was never influenced by others. Every form of art is influenced by another in one form or another.

I'm sure many moviegoers found the Bourne movies refreshing after the Bond movies had become so outrageously over-the-top and cartoony. Die Another Day was like peak cartoony James Bond. And yeah Casino Royale did take a few cues from Batman Begins. That's plain to see, but I'm sure the producers were influenced by the Bourne movies as well, even bringing on the people who did the stunts for those films for Quantum of Solace.

Nolan is not the sole purveyor of cinema and the only drummer to the beat everyone marches. Sorry, but he ain't.
 
Nolan's a fantastic director no doubt, but like all Directors he has his strengths and weaknesses. One of his weaknesses was his grip on fight choreography, which was shockingly bad at certain points in all the Batman films. But that's balanced out by great storytelling, good at injecting tension and drama into scenes, and good at pulling strong and nuanced performances from his cast.

I have to agree with TheVileOne, he's not the only director in town who has influenced others. He's just extremely focused, selective about what he does, and usually - in recent years - engages in big budget movies which require a bit of thinking and aren't just spectacle and action. So I can see the comparisons he gets to a modern day Kubrick, and why he gets a magazine cover when others don't.

But you could argue that as modern directors go, James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Ridley Scott/Tony Scott, David Fincher and many more have all seen work influenced by theirs. JJ Abrams was clearly influenced by Spielberg / Matthew Vaughn arguably influenced heavily by Guy Ritchie's style / etc.
 

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