Morpheus: Matrix TV Show -- You Thoughts?

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  1. Sidepocket Registered

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    This has been an concept that has been beaten back and forth across my desk in varying levels of involvement since 2005, but due to the way TV has gone recently I thought I would ask this.

    And I am also sorry if I posted this in the wrong forum. Please re-direct this to the right one if I made a mistake.

    Ok, here are the questions:

    1) How would you feel about a TV in the Matrix Universe, starting and staring when Morpheus was a young lad who just joined the Zion Military ending with Trinity searching for Neo when the cops kick her door down in the first film? Would you be excited?

    2) Is there anything in particular that you would want to see or get addressed a show like that?

    3) What do you think would be the best time slots for a show like this? Network preference? Guest directors? Ect.

    That is all. Post away. :woot:
     
  2. CFE The never-ending battle

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    NO

    Cfe
     
  3. Mr. Credible jukebox hero

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    meh... it could work. after watching the sarah connor chronicles (and having more than my share of doubts about it) i would watch this.

    no idea what it would be about, really... but still.
     
  4. Sidepocket Registered

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    I could tell you, but then I may have to kill you. :hoboj:
     
  5. carrrnuttt Registered

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    Oh hell yes. As long as it is done right. I have all 3 movies, all in the "Matrix Reloaded" metal CD case that came with that movie. I have the "Enter The Matrix" video game, and was greatly disappointed when Ubisoft killed the Matrix MMO that they were building. My work laptop has seen several variations of "Matrix" themes.

    Let's just say: I'm a fan.

    I am a fan of the whole universe, and would love any way to "get back" in it. But then again, maybe I am the wrong person to ask, as it will always be the casual viewers that will ultimately determine the success of any show.

    I am a web/computer programmer/developer, btw - and I was in college for this job when the movie came out. :yay:
     
  6. Sidepocket Registered

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    Trust me, I know how you feel. The Matrix shaped most of my teenage years, so it is kind of like my Star Wars.

    However, I would like to see both sides of the spectrum.

    If you really want to pry info out of me, here is too things:

    1) I could go on for very many seasons though as of current I just have an outline for the first four.

    2) I think there is a snow balls chance in hell that my deal will not go through. The Wachowskis love seeing how people interpret the Matrix, but it is not them that I am concerned about. :whatever:
     
  7. Rac Deadite

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    Fck no. The Matrix should have left where the first movie ended.
     
  8. StrainedEyes All the way up it!

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    So, this is just your little idea, right? Are you actually in any position to make such a presentation to studios or the creators?

    Either way, no this wouldn't be a good idea. Maybe it'd get one season on Sci-Fi or something. But, the matrix has lost it's star power, And without Neo, the matrix isn't very interesting.
     
  9. Gilpesh Registered

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    If anything. Your best bet would to set it during the time of one of the other 'ones'. That way you could have the powerful super-being but still not be telling the same old story with the same old characters.
     
  10. GL1 It's pronounced "glee"

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    Hell, yes. I'm sure these shortsighted guys also thought Terminator would suck without Arnold, but I assure you, you don't need the one to make the Matrix sizzle. The best movie was the first one, and Neo wasn't the one until the very end, so forget that.

    Having a movie, or TV show about young Morpheus is also genious, because it makes it easily relevant to the movie series, and brings out the best parts of the movies (morpheus being a badass, good clean wire fu and gunplay), as opposed to the worst parts of the movies (there are six other ones)... seriously... going somewhere OTHER than Morpheus would be a bad, BAD idea.

    Now with Morpheus, you have all the good parts of the movies (human vs machine conflict, cool in-matrix action, a crew with a captain and various missions running from Sentinels) as well as a clean slate. Besides Morpheus, Locke and Niobe, perhaps some council members and that one old guy who guarded the gate... you've got a CLEAN slate. An interesting crew, intrigue in the council, all at your disposal... no one can tell you what didn't and didn't happen back in those days.

    Centrally, it would be a mistake to focus on finding the one, since we know Morpheus doesn't do that yet. Beyond his relationships, try focusing on Morpheus' trying to recruit people to his way of thinking, winning people back to the Oracle... when does he learn "my beliefs do not require them to."

    And who taught this guy to lead? Whoever was Captain over him, must have been pretty incredible.

    Oh, and a weekly dose of wire-fu mindbending martial arts combat would be awesome.

    I'm a little surprised people aren't seeing the planets align on this one.
     
  11. Superfreak Gramaton Cleric

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    the idea is sound too. If all the 'future' stuff occurs on a soundstage... with few sets (if they confine the show to whatever ship they are on),,, and the matrix stuff can be filmed anywhere really.

    right there, the concept for a show is mint
     
  12. carrrnuttt Registered

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    Bravo! Well said, my good sir.
     
  13. Sidepocket Registered

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    Interesting responses. Like I said, I do not think (at least right now) this will go through, but I am taking responses both good and bad in assurance that I may have an audience here to people.

    Ironically right when I started to decide to try to pitch this again....writers strike happen. I get that held over my head like a scepter all the time. :cmad:

    Since I am still trying to do this (if in 10 years this does not happen then I will just publicly display all the info one day) I cannot reveal too much on the pitch just in the tiniest case it does get picked up finally. However, after looking things over, I can post a character list. Of course, I removed all the biography info, but I think if you do a search on some of these you can get clues on were I am going.

    Some names are not final, others have more than one name.

    ::Characters Seasons 1-4::

    Ship: Maitreya

    Captain Yahya

    Morpheus

    Niobe

    Soren

    Operator: Jeeves

    First Mate: Nyctalope

    Cryptos

    z1p

    Paraclete



    Ship: Promethus

    Captain Rotwang

    First Mate: Facsimile

    Lock

    Key/Ballard

    Roland

    Ice

    Orberon/Bios

    Xenix/Phreak

    Operator: Esc


    ::Other::

    V15-HNU

    Glasgow Killer/Jonah Nergal/Angulimala/Ammit

    Commander Hammond

    Nyx

    The Instructor


    ::Exiles::

    The Merovingian

    Persephone/Lady of Auxerre

    Pixi

    The Taxiarch


    ::Machines::

    Agent White

    Mr./Agent Smith

    Mr./Agent Grey

    Mr. James

    Magna Carta

    The General


    ::The Belial/The Grigori::

    Quetzalcoatl/"The Don"/Vassago

    La Llorona/Naamah

    The Turk

    Moloch

    Tyr

    Fenrir


    I would like to hear more responses since its the thing that keeps me going, after all, the producers tend to want to do this if there is signs of a demand for it.

    The initial rejection was that it was too expensive, they did not want another "Fastlane". But in the age of CSI, Heroes and the new Terminator show, that excuse is now nill. :p
     
  14. Superfreak Gramaton Cleric

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    what I think would sell the idea the most, as well as minimize costs, is to focus on the matrix itself... the 'real world' would be there... but it would get cameos of sorts. Kind of like the Fortress of Solitude on Smallville (it's always there, and sometimes we go there, but only for finales and premiers). Otherwise, the show should be based mainly in the matrix, with little of the post apocoliptic world (simply because that is what will make the show expensive). I really wouldn't go any further than the ship which our intrepid crew travels on. Atleast at first. Expanding the 'real world' means more sets, rather than location shoots
     
  15. Sidepocket Registered

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    Waaaaaay ahead of you on that one. Like I said, I nor the other executives I am trying to bargain with here want to turn this into Fastlane. The only real world stuff in the first three Seasons is one scene in the fetus fields...but saying more would be saying too much. :oldrazz:
     
  16. GL1 It's pronounced "glee"

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    First of all: a standing on-ship set not only makes sense and adds to the drama but it doesn't cost any more than any other indoor set. I really can't imagine a matrix show that doesn't involve leaving the Matrix. Perhaps you could be sparing with the external shots of the ship in tunnels to save cash, but as a whole, part of the Matrix is getting out in order to stay alive, and made for some of the best scenes in the films, and that has to be kept. The Matrix is only half of "The Matrix."

    But yes, while going outside of The Matrix should be a regular occurance, and even Zion can be done easily and affordable, trying to show the entire world would be prohibitive. Expansive post apocalyptic world shots, massive Fetus Fields... all that is costly and doesn't add a great deal to the story except scale or setting. Save that for premieres and finales... maybe just finales.

    I love your ships and crews and if you ever do any Zion storylines, make sure to throw in some political intrigue with the Council.
     
  17. Superfreak Gramaton Cleric

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    I'm not saying no 'real world' at all... we're pretty much saying the same thing: a slow integration and development of setting, over time. I was just being a little extreme to illustrate the idea.
     
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    Too little, too late.
    Also...the Matrix stopped being good after the first film...so a TV show really wouldn't be worth putting the cash into now.
     
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    Interesting response, but could not also say that with Terminator since not only is Terminator viewed as "old" but that T3 screwed up much. However, I do not see the SCC suffering at all...
     
  20. Superfreak Gramaton Cleric

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    special case right now, as one of few shows actually airing new episodes right now. I'm sure if it had some sort of competition, SCC would not be doing so well.

    I'm totally dorking out over it right now... but I'm dreading the day that they do something that I really disagree with,,, and the show devolving into nothing but a teenage boy, and his sex robot

    I never understand the people who say the matrix got worse... it delivered everything it promised too. And the plot, although maybe a little too confusing for the average movie goer, really helped offset the mindnumbing action.
     
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    Trust me when I say this. A developer/programmer type such as me, when seeing the Matrix as an actual program, sees much more depth in the movie than most laypeople do. This is likely why I am such a fan.
     
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    1) Although I was greatly dissappointed with the third movie, I'd love to see such a thing as this spring up on television. I'm still a fan... just not a fan of the 3rd movie.

    2) I want them to address more in depth how the matrix came to be!! I loved all the twists and turns, but they could've explained the matrix a bit more in my opinion. Also, if they showed how Morpheus is freed from the Matrix.

    3) I'm thinking NBC... I'd choose that network since they show Heroes(which is one of my favourite tv show). As for directors, not sure.
     
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    This is true. But I think there is a stronger fan base for the Terminator films who embraced the show. The fanbase surrounding the Matrix started to suffer after the release of the 2nd film...followed by a poor 3rd film and a flop of an MMO PC game.

    It just had more and more damage piled on it. I don't believe the current fan-base for the Matrix series would be strong enough to help support a tv show.
     
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    They should continue from the last matrix film instead of a prequel series.

    The Matrix isnt that great of a trilogy to need a prequel.
     
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    They already are, it's called the Matrix Online.

    Also, I do not think the Terminator fan base is somehow "stronger" than the Matrix ones. Especially when you look at not only how Matrix fans flock to Matrix related stuff int he numbers, but the entire series generated 1.2 billion dollars in revenue alone. All of that had to come from somewhere, if anything, I would say they are equal to Terminator and the Alien movies. There are the good parts, the bad parts, but we all just want more.

    Oh and uh, I looked some things over and talked with a few people...if I am vague I can cay say some things about the pitch. The reason I have to be is because nobody wants to sign on to a project and then everyone on the internet knows how it is going to flow. I do not think many people would be watching Heroes if they knew the entire plot before hand.

    Anyhow, the first safe thing I would like to share in light about my pitch is the opening of the bastard child that is the pilot. Even with all the explosions, action and stuff, the suits have deemed the opening scene the most expensive thing that could be shot. However, the good news is that the opening will only be as expensive as a really good major effects work for Heroes, and I am also negotiating for a way it can be shot so not only will it be cheaper but will also be scarier and have way more impact.

    After the opening, the pilot opens up with a scout ship called "Mout EX 2 Model v5-10" were a crew of humans go into the fetus fields to steal some of the fetus sacks so they can be matured and raised in Zion, in an alternate attempt by humans to get pod born people without having to free them from the system. They manage to snag 4 before being spotted and most of the crew dies in escaping the defense machines (who in my rewrote one we only see glimpses of an in slit house with bodies falling and screams), the last shot is a man making it out with only one fetus left with whats left of the crew as they board the Mout and run away from Sentinels.

    It cuts back to Nyx a woman who long ago was freed from the Matrix but due to her genetics was unable to conceive. She has been allowed in secret by the counsel along with other mothers to adopt babies from the covert fetus harvest program. She is brought to the room were they are artificially aging the child physically and mentally by computers, the man previous turns out to be Captain Hamann who now limps from his injuries. They detail the project to her and the only child they could bring back, asking her to give him a name when they finish the process and put him in her arms. After some thought, she names him Morpheus, calling him "my little dream".

    Over the series, Morpheus believes what his mother tells him, that they were both taken from the Matrix and he was too young to remember the trauma. This bothers him, because one of the reasons he wants to be in the military is to see for himself the world he belonged to before destroying it. Ironically, it is Agent White who introduces the real truth behind Morpheus' birth, something that troubles him until he finally confronts his mother about her lies to him.

    Right now the producers feel that we need that scene (although they want to move it from the pilot to another episode) but are worried about going over budget. My feelings on it is if we can have an exploding man and a Terminator in a nuclear blast than we can have that scene.

    Oh, and another thing that I am fighting is that Smith is REALLY fricken evil. He does so many evil things and his mind set, you get to really see him evolve from an Agent with a specialty for manipulation to a program who is tired of the human race and just does not want to exist anymore. Thing I am arguing is the end of season one, were Smith does something so horrifying that one producer told me "we would be battered by the FCC and parents everywhere if we showed it in full."

    Thought from that statement, I think I got the desired effect.

    Arg, more meeting next week, some that are not even involved with this project. I swear by the end of this sleep will sound like some long forgotten past. :sleepy:
     

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