HoratioRome said:that is a fine post, and I agree with the spirit of it. I do sometimes wonder if those who stick to their guns in the face of the most obvious evidence are indeed "free thinkers" or people who have been so indoctrinated that they can't see the forest for the trees.
Now Spider-in a tree, take it easy I'm not talking about you specifically here.
I'm talking about spider-boyt:
but seriously, free thinking IMO includes the consideration of opposing view, re-evaluation of one's opinion and the formation of conclusion based on evidence, fact, common sense, and opinion..
it just seems to me that too many people argue in the face of the facts.
case in point, it is a factual mistake to treat SM as a noob in the Avengers, given the fact the he's the flagship premier hero of the MU, he;s worked with them numerous times, was in fact THE one to save the day and come through when fighting along side them in the past, has been doing this as long if not longer than most everyone else, etc. etc.
You may LIKE this treatment but to argue that it is accurate or to defend it it simply wrong...IMO./
. It doesn't have to be a good change.. but to me any change is good compared to the relaunch crap. My straw will snap though if MJ ever gets killed off... and next time.. don't question my "free thinking skills" im an artist, i ALWAYS think outside of the box.. i'm also one of many liberals. and "free thinkers" at my "liberal" art school in Los Angeles... so don't dare lump me in the "mindeless drone" catagory just because i'm defending something i like
thats part of what i'm enjoying about civil war.. peter made a mistake.. and honestly the mistake he made i could see happening to anyone.. hell he's human. and if anything he's more human then the rest of the pro reg side... civil war #4 is officially the turning point issue (great read)Chris Wallace said:
me either... it's part of what ticked me off in spidey 2... after peter was bitten by the spider he gained something he never had before, confidence... not to mention his powers kinda helped stop him from being a clutz... shure he still has bad luck.. but he wasn't a goof... as the opening of spidey 2 made him be.. from a man with "spider sense" getting whacked in the head by 3 book bags.. and then fumbling with brooms in a closet..Upset Spideyfan said:
I still maintain that he should've known it was a mistake-oh, wait-he DID.spideyboy_1111 said:
And Iron Man. You don't manipulate someone you consider an equal.spideyboy_1111 said:
SpideyInATree said:
spideyboy_1111 said:hey.. side-kick.. you have no right to put me down for enjoing something.. and i really do see your guy's side of it.. i just am definding the fact i'm enjoing these stories.. i like change most of the time.. and guess what.. free thinkers usually welcome it
. You know, just making fun.
Has Spidey done ANYTHING right in NA?Cyclops said:
Well said. I really don't think they are looking at it from our point of view. Theirs seems to basically be "Something new-great!" while ours is as you described. In order to effectively debate, one must be receptive to the other side's argument.HoratioRome said:side-kick? what do you mean by that?
anyway dude I was joking, hence the
given your liberal stance I think you will agree with the general tone of the comment though right?
In any case, the truth is that Wallace is right about you guys deserving some degree of respect for not caving in to pressure.
I think I get it. You're not a bad guy, or a non thinker. The way I see it you basically enjoy the comics you are reading, and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem with us isn't so much that the stories are in and of themselves bad, it is that they are innacurate and inconsistent with the past.
I think that's what you're not getting from OUR POV. I'm not sure how long you've been reading comics, but we're just telling you that the way this character is being handled/depicted (however interesting you might find it), is inconsistent with the character. There are several points of contention.
1)Spider-man is NOT some side kick amateur, punk, annoying rookie, third rate type of hero. He is in fact the Flagdhip, PREMIER, best at what he does, practically fought everybody, cocky, funny, "greatest" hero of the MU. So depicting him as the former is a mistake. One that demeanes and diminishes the character (unless the story incorporates within it the change in personality)
2)The Unmasking is something that fundamentaly goes against the nature of the character. it may be a great story from your POV, but it is a terrible depiction of the character (unless you incorporate the reasons for the change in the story). please don't say they did cause the reason they gave is not enough to go against the many many years of doing the opposite. (in fact I will say that it seems like Marvel is trying to throw us off by having people do the opposite of what we think they would do. Cap by all means should be for the registration and Iron Man should be against it, but they are trying I guess to make it interesting.
Marvel's current approach seems to be to write the story however the writer sees fit, with very little respect for continuity and history. Writers are therefore recreating these characters as they see fit. and we're saying that is fundamentaly wrong.
3) Spider-man is not some tech suit wearing guy with almost unlimited technological capabilities.
look it would be very intersting to write about a Hulk who is no stronger than the average human, a Wolverine who is a coward, a dumb Mr. Fantastic and so on. But no matter how genius my stories are, no matter how intertaining, and interesting, it doesn't stop it from being wrong, innacurate, poorly researched, and therefore bad.
I think it comes down to that between us. You read a story and think it is good. We read a stroy, weigh it against historycal accuracy, see that it is innacurate, and conclude that it's bad. but given that we've loved and followed this character for most of our lives, can't you understand why it is so upseting to us?
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I'm sorry; I should have said that Wolverine was the only hero who's SHOWN ANY INTEREST in capturing Nitro.Sloth7d said:
Add to this the fact that wolvy was hittin on spiderman's girl, and continues to. And the fact that Wolverine was shown beating up Atlanteans and how he regenerated from a skeleton.Chris Wallace said:
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