Comics Most annoying recent change?

[Jack O'Lantern]

I hated the organic webbing at first but it can be easily ignored. I really hate the stingers, night vision, etc that The Other gave him. New powers= .

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

I have to vote for stingers/other powers from "the Other" even though CW is bugging me too. Simply because Spider-man is supposed to be the "every-man" , an ordinary guy who has troubles in his life, and through a random accident, was given powers we all dream of having. By making him a "totem" of a "Spider-god" they have completely changed the origin. It's complete and utter crap and is unforgivable. Also, the mystical stuff I find offensive, and purposely avoid other books with it, eg, Thor, Dr Strange. They should keep it where it belongs.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Not what I meant by "Other".

 

[Chris Wallace]

I have to agree. And the behavior isn't only that he's Stark's lap dog, but also the Avenger's weak link, puppy who needs to be rescued. An amateur who gets beat by Wolverine and Cap.
I was thinking about this, Dick Grayson, robin /knightwing gets more respect in the DC universe than SPider-man does in the marvel U.
that is just ridiculous.
besides ALL the other changes suck too.

Interesting reference; Dick Grayson started out as a lame, knucklehead teen sidekick & they turned him into a cool, badass, adult solo hero.
Peter Parker started out as a cool, badass, teen solo hero & they turned him into a lame, knucklehead adult sidekick.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

thanks Chris. It's funny but nowadays, Marvel sound more and more like the DC of old and DC is sounding more like Marvel. where you had a million different versions of the same character. You would have thought they would have learned from DC since that whole thing was a disaster that needed a "crisis" to pull it together

You got to remember who was in charge when you say the DC of old Mr. Q himself and now he is Marvels problem and we dont have to worry about him anymore

 

[Doc Destruction]

Why no all of the above selection? That's what I would have chosen.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Because I want everybody to choose ONE. I know some of us are pissed at all of these changes, but there's always gonna be one that stands out among the rest, one that bugs you more than all the others, one that makes you say, "I could forgive everything else if not for this." Hence "MOST annoying recent change", not "Which recent change annoyed you".
That's why no "All of the above".

 

[Chris Wallace]

You got to remember who was in charge when you say the DC of old Mr. Q himself and now he is Marvels problem and we dont have to worry about him anymore

What atrocities did he commit over there?

 

[Norman Osborn]

Two words...."SPIDER GOD"!!

 

[Chris Wallace]

That technically falls under powers.

 

[Norman Osborn]

That technically falls under powers.

Maybe, but I'm talking about the dying and coming back from the dead after embracing the Spider-gods!.......

Spider-man's dying and re-birth has been tantamount to downgrading to DOS on your computer........it makes little sense to go out of your way to make your computer less effective and harder to understand.

 

[CConn]

The Unmasking.

Y'know, I actually - conceptually, at least - sorta like him partnering up with Iron Man. It could've been something new, a mix up for his world, while not really messing up his character all that much. However, I will say, Marvel's execution of that concept has been extremely mediocre to say the least.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

What atrocities did he commit over there?

Look at DC comics in the early to mid 90's and you'll find him. AzBat, Power Gaint beast looking Superman, all the bad stories coming out of DC that nearly killed us and you'll find him.

 

[OtepApe]

I will say 'Other'.

Obviously all of the above pissed me off to no end, but it's the simple fact that the people writing him have no idea who Peter Parker/Spider-man is anymore. To tell their own stories, they have twisted and shaped the character into something that he was never meant to be or any of the fans wanted him to be. The stories that they have put him in are stories that don't need telling. They feel they should push the boundaries. tp shock us into reading Spidey. Truth is, I would read Spidey for some good simple stories. The reason I am not readin Spidey is because of the situations they have put him in, and the way he has handled them.

Most things have pissed me off. I said a lot fo the time that 'Spidey would never do that', or 'They are ruingin his character'. The thing that really hit it home was during Civil War #3 I believe. The ProReg crowd had all the AntiReg crowd surrounded. The shooters were waiting for the command from Spidey to shoot. Now it might just be me, but Spidey would never agree to that. This is the guy who is friends with most of these heroes, he's certainly not going to agree to shoot them.

That is what's wrong with Spider-man, the writers have no idea who he is.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Look at DC comics in the early to mid 90's and you'll find him. AzBat, Power Gaint beast looking Superman, all the bad stories coming out of DC that nearly killed us and you'll find him.

I only knew about Azrael, & only to the extent that he co-created him. I don't know if he had anything to do w/Knightfall. I know for a fact that Dan Jurgens killed Supes & JQ had nothing to do with it. As far as I know, JQ was an artist at DC & nothing more.

 

[CConn]

Yeah, Azrael was the one who filled in for Batman in Knightfall. I'd hardly call that Quesada's fault, though.

 

[The Joker]

Where is the 'All of the above' option??

But out of that list, I'd choose the unmasking. It is proof that they've turned Peter into a full blown idiot.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I will say 'Other'.

Obviously all of the above pissed me off to no end, but it's the simple fact that the people writing him have no idea who Peter Parker/Spider-man is anymore. To tell their own stories, they have twisted and shaped the character into something that he was never meant to be or any of the fans wanted him to be. The stories that they have put him in are stories that don't need telling. They feel they should push the boundaries. tp shock us into reading Spidey. Truth is, I would read Spidey for some good simple stories. The reason I am not readin Spidey is because of the situations they have put him in, and the way he has handled them.

Most things have pissed me off. I said a lot fo the time that 'Spidey would never do that', or 'They are ruingin his character'. The thing that really hit it home was during Civil War #3 I believe. The ProReg crowd had all the AntiReg crowd surrounded. The shooters were waiting for the command from Spidey to shoot. Now it might just be me, but Spidey would never agree to that. This is the guy who is friends with most of these heroes, he's certainly not going to agree to shoot them.

That is what's wrong with Spider-man, the writers have no idea who he is.

Goes back to what I said in another thread. With Spider-Man being Marvel's flagship character & having the universal appeal that he has, why do they feel the need to keep changing him? Let's say his parents were spies. Let's give him a costume from outer space*. Let's give him cosmic powers. Let's say he's a clone. Let's say the spider that bit him was magic. Let's move him into a luxury apartment & cut him off from everyone except MJ, Aunt May & other heroes. Let's make him Iron Man's sidekick & give him a high-tech suit w/a bunch of functions that don't make sense. Let's reveal his identity to the world. It's like they forgot the thing that drew fans to him in the first place; his relatability. I feel lik eevery time somebody at Marvel gets a crazy idea they decide to test it on Spidey. If it doesn't work out, they can spend months & months repairing the damage.


*Before you Venom fanatics start flaming me, I'm simply saying that this is an example of a radical change which they later undid. Nothing more.

 

[OtepApe]

Goes back to what I said in another thread. With Spider-Man being Marvel's flagship character & having the universal appeal that he has, why do they feel the need to keep changing him? Let's say his parents were spies. Let's give him a costume from outer space*. Let's give him cosmic powers. Let's say he's a clone. Let's say the spider that bit him was magic. Let's move him into a luxury apartment & cut him off from everyone except MJ, Aunt May & other heroes. Let's make him Iron Man's sidekick & give him a high-tech suit w/a bunch of functions that don't make sense. Let's reveal his identity to the world. It's like they forgot the thing that drew fans to him in the first place; his relatability. I feel lik eevery time somebody at Marvel gets a crazy idea they decide to test it on Spidey. If it doesn't work out, they can spend months & months repairing the damage.


*Before you Venom fanatics start flaming me, I'm simply saying that this is an example of a radical change which they later undid. Nothing more.

That's actually true, they do feel the need to mess with Spidey more then most characters. The thing is, Spidey is one who doesn't need all of that. As a fan, I would get tired of retcon after retcon, it craps on the flow and balance of the stories.

Maybe they feel they have to do these things as a way to keep things fresh, it's just they choose the wrong directions to take him in.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Precisely. Like I say all the time, it's short-term gimmicks w/no thought given to the long-term repercussions.

 

[freemadison]

I think i'll vote for behavior. I know that everything else is just a short-term gimmick (like unmasking) but my REAL problem is how it seems so contrived and forced.

 

[Cyclops]

Stingers/"Other" powers, and in them I include the organic webshooters, as they were the snowball. Everything else is just the side-effects of that snowball rolling down the hill and growing larger.

It's a classic example of fixing what isn't broken. What was wrong with Spidey the way he was? The way his powers had been for 40 years? Why did they need changing? They didn't. If you need to fix anything, it's the direction the character is going in, the storylines he's involved in, etc. etc. Changing his powers isn't going to amout to a damn thing. And it certainly hasn't fixed Spider-Man's problems.

 

[Dragon]

I voted "other" just because all of the above isn't there. I mean, Spidey is just damaged goods right now.

 

[DACrowe]

1) The Unmasking.

The behavior is stupid but hey he is older and always wanted respect from people and his peers (go back to ASM #1 when he tries and join the Fantastic Four) so him being dopey is stupid and annoying but somewhat understandable if he has a mansion/skyscraper to live in with his idol Cap America and buddy Iron Man. He could get lost in it and have to find himself again in a WELL WRITTEN STORY (I think that was the direction it was supposed to take but in the hands of Marvel currently it ended up making him a moron and a tool).

The Other sucks BEYOND BELIEF in the changes (if it was a "What If Spider-Man Died" and ended with him truly dead, it'd have been decent, but for main continuity and the resurrection and Spider-God crap....oy, very stupid) and was there to give him some stupid new powers and ruin his origin. But it is not being talked about and will be ignored like Ben Reilly or (unfortunately) Baby May. Wait until we get a new editor in Chief in the next decade and it will officially be retconned. The same goes for Sins Past which has already been swept under the rug a little over a year later after it ended.

And the costume was always temporary (like any other costume change)....

BUT the Unmasking, the ****ing unmasking. To be fair if Iron Man literally trapped a resistant Spidey and gassed him or some **** and did it to make a point (leading to Spidey whooping Tony's ass and joining Cap) I could live with it from a plot point of view. But for him to WILLINGLY do this after 40 years of character development in the other direction and the fact that the GGs and Venom alone knowing has cost him SO MUCH, it is just stupid. And the excuse "he did it to be law abiding" is stupid as **** as Spidey has ALWAYS been a vigalante who laughs in the face of authority (the anti-Superman in some respects).

And worst of all I don't see an easy way to retconn the whole unmasking. There is too much documented evidence within 5 seconds in the Marvel Universe for a mind wipe to work. Sins Past can be retconned, Iron-Spidey Tool can be redeemed and the new powers can be forgotten (as the new origin) but, the unmaskign cannot be undone without some stupid "Superboy punched the timeline bull****" and worst of all it went against Pete's entire character for a stupid shock value plot device storyline.

I REALLY hate the unmasking.....really.

 

[Captivated]

They managed to make everyone forget about the Sentry... he was just a fictional character in people's minds.

I just don't see how the unmasking CAN be permanent. That would be OFF-THE-SCALE STUPID... and a toss up for "most irritating"... right along with screwing up his origin and giving him spikes that shoot out of his wrists.