Comics Most annoying recent change?

[freemadison]

Exactly. I mean come on, collecting samples of Thor's hair from his couch and then hanging onto them for years? Please.

Millar's just writing an Ultimates story and slapping it into the 616 universe.

You know I'm actually OK with him keeping a Thor hair...I also don't find it too devious or creepy.

If you're working with a self-proclaimed GOD and you see some DNA on the couch (and you're a renowned inventor and scientist), wouldn't you want to study it? Doesn't mean that he was thinking about cloning the whole time, just scientific inquiry.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Does he keep tissue samples of everyone else? Does he have one for Hercules? Or any of the number of mutants who've been on the team? If not, it compounds his hypocrisy.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And if he didn't plan on using it for cloning, why keep it? What does he need to study it for? To find weaknesses? What reason would he have?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I know. It just seems to me that a man who's experienced what he's experienced wouldn't be prone to blind faith. ESPECIALLY IF IT DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT.

people go against there better judgements every day... plus, if im not mistaken, spidey has never went up against his own government before

 

[Chris Wallace]

Going against your better judgement is one thing; doing it when it puts the lives of everyone you have ever cared about is another. He's got too many reasons not to unmask & only one reason to do it; because he was asked to.
And he's a vigilante. That's always been technically illegal. That's not going against the government? How about all the times he's been framed? Did he ever once turn himself in? He participated in the Secret War. That wasn't sanctioned. Granted that was a different magnitude, but he's never sold out & compromised his principles before either. And as I've said numerous times, never tell a black man in America that opposing the government or the law is never justified.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But here we're not talking about just the unmasking itself, but hooking up w/Tony & the pro-regs in the first place. That was blind faith. Now bad writing is making it seem like somehow, the memory of cradling Gwen's lifeless body in his arms could be overpowered by anything anyone had to say. And again, after all the crap May went through at the hands of his enemies, she should know better too.

well my theory on it is with MK's spidey being in continuity.. and other villains knowing that spidey is peter, esp such "non rule playing" villains such as scorpion who is not as coy as norman... it hasnt made much difference to me, its just now every low life is after him, wich imo does make an interesting story esp when it brings characters who havent been seen for ages back to the picture because now they think they have leverage.. like mysterio and ock attacking the school, and ock in a blind rage that he was beaten by a teenager and when he had the chance let him slip out from under his fingers, and add to that normans psychoness of peter "not playing by the rules" in there little psychotic chest game... I just look at peter as sorta being in a tight spot.. he had the choice to unmask... or not.. ironman wanted and needed him to unmask so badly that imo the unmasking choice was more of.. "register and unmask or go on the run and dont register" the reading made it seem like peter didnt have an option to register without unmasking due to the close nit family he and tony had become

 

[Chris Wallace]

The Doc Ock thing is BS to me; you mean to tell me he couldn't tell back then that he was fighting a teenager? His voice & his build didn't give that away?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Going against your better judgement is one thing; doing it when it puts the lives of everyone you have ever cared about is another. He's got too many reasons not to unmask & only one reason to do it; because he was asked to.
And he's a vigilante. That's always been technically illegal. That's not going against the government? How about all the times he's been framed? Did he ever once turn himself in? He participated in the Secret War. That wasn't sanctioned. Granted that was a different magnitude, but he's never sold out & compromised his principles before either. And as I've said numerous times, never tell a black man in America that opposing the government or the law is never justified.

hes never directly opposed the government though... vigilantism yes is illegal.. but in the superhero realm its kinda brushed under the rug esp in heroes cases like spidey where they save and never kill... spidey has been framed alot and he just hid out.. hell one time he even took up different identities... national law and federal laws are different things imo... and the superhero registration act is much much bigger.. plus understand the guy watched the WTC fall.. and was there to help, as was he at the school that was blown up... he was there to pick up the bodies, yes i know everyone else was too for the most part, but at the same time in the real world.. all that death all that destruction.. registration would seem like a good thing

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The Doc Ock thing is BS to me; you mean to tell me he couldn't tell back then that he was fighting a teenager? His voice & his build didn't give that away?

logically ya... but tell it to stan lee.. not current comics. Ock never said or thought he was just a kid back then

 

[Chris Wallace]

Registration is a bad thing. Pure & simple. It's a ridiculous law brought about by paranoia & public outcry. Freedom & security should never be thought of as mutually exclusive.
And it really tickles me that you can keep defending Peter's actions when he himself no longer believes he did the right thing.
Oh-one more thing about that Doc Ock issue; it's not like this is the first time he's found out who Spidey was.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

im defending his desicions he did make.. never said they were right, but i knew why he made them. thats what i was defending. not once have i said registration was a good thing.. i just can easily see why it would exist.. paranoia has always led to very bad laws and very bad decisions

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Registration is a bad thing. Pure & simple. It's a ridiculous law brought about by paranoia & public outcry. Freedom & security should never be thought of as mutually exclusive.
And it really tickles me that you can keep defending Peter's actions when he himself no longer believes he did the right thing.
Oh-one more thing about that Doc Ock issue; it's not like this is the first time he's found out who Spidey was.

true, but he lost his memory thousands of times, as well as was killed and resurected *rollseyes*

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

Well..we found out when this miserable project of Joe's is coming out:
http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays17.html
next July..funny how the timing with Spider-man 3 is ..I think we may know the fate of comic MJ when we see SM 3 in May.
This gets my vote for the worst change already. I'm not even going to buy it to spite Joe.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well..we found out when this miserable project of Joe's is coming out:
http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays17.html
next July..funny how the timing with Spider-man 3 is ..I think we may know the fate of comic MJ when we see SM 3 in May.
This gets my vote for the worst change already. I'm not even going to buy it to spite Joe.

lol ya.. i didnt see anything MJ related at all... he just touched up upon how its more of a shock for a movie fan to know hes married.. then unmasked.. thats it

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

lol ya.. i didnt see anything MJ related at all... he just touched up upon how its more of a shock for a movie fan to know hes married.. then unmasked.. thats it

You don't remember him boasting for months about the project with JMS that would fix the Spider-man marriage? yeah..well I'm assuming this is the one.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

umm i dont even see him stating a project about the marriage in that article though... lol plus couldnt his "fix" simply just be reign? because wouldnt it be stupid to kill her off in 2 comics?

 

[freemadison]

And if he didn't plan on using it for cloning, why keep it? What does he need to study it for? To find weaknesses? What reason would he have?

I dunno. But why on earth would you toss it? Better for a self-proclaimed futurist to be safe then sorry. And yes...it'll probably be revealed that he has Hercules' DNA too or something. It's not like he doesn't have everyone else's (blonde clone in tank anyone?).

 

[3dman27]

an army of hercules clones hoo boy tony would be stacking the deck then remember with the hulk in exile on another planet HERC'S the strongest man on earth

 

[Chris Wallace]

true, but he lost his memory thousands of times, as well as was killed and resurected *rollseyes*

Not my point. If he didn't freak out over Peter's age then, why would he do it now?

 

[Chris Wallace]

logically ya... but tell it to stan lee.. not current comics. Ock never said or thought he was just a kid back then

But Ock's no idiot. You really think he could LOOK at a scrawny 15-year-old in tights & think he was an adult? You really think after fighting someone for 10 years, he wouldn't notice that over the years the guy had gotten taller, bigger & his voice had deepened?

 

[Chris Wallace]

I dunno. But why on earth would you toss it?

Because barring the intent of cloning the person, there's no use for it. Vacuum it up & get rid of it. Do you have a lock of hair from every person who's ever been in your house? I sure as hell don't.

 

[Dangerous]

hes never directly opposed the government though... vigilantism yes is illegal.. but in the superhero realm its kinda brushed under the rug esp in heroes cases like spidey where they save and never kill... spidey has been framed alot and he just hid out.. hell one time he even took up different identities... national law and federal laws are different things imo... and the superhero registration act is much much bigger.. plus understand the guy watched the WTC fall.. and was there to help, as was he at the school that was blown up... he was there to pick up the bodies, yes i know everyone else was too for the most part, but at the same time in the real world.. all that death all that destruction.. registration would seem like a good thing

I should point out right about now that effectively in 616, Spidey did not in fact watch the WTC fall.
ASM Vol2#36 was an out of continuity tribute by JMS/JR JR to the relief work done by the FDNY on the day that the attack happened and the following months to clear the site.
It can also be viewed essentially as JMS' personal thoughts about the event and its ramifications.

It has been stated several times by the creators and Marvel that the issue was a tribute and was not part of 616 cannon.

 

[Chris Wallace]

As best evidenced by the presence of Dr. Doom & Magneto-both of whom were nowhere near the U.S. at the time (at least in continuity) and who would not have shed a single tear over such an atrocity.

 

[Dangerous]

That's what almost spoilt a great tribute for me was Dr Dooms tears.
Way dumb, they should have just not included the villains.
Like Dr Doom would give a flying f**K.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Neither would Magneto. If he thought it would help his mutant cause, he'd kill that many humans 100 times over & wouldn't lose a minute's sleep.