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[Chris Wallace]

I'll buy that.
Maybe it wasn't the fact that he was 15 that set Ock off, it was hearing those actual words. Do you get me?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'll buy that.
Maybe it wasn't the fact that he was 15 that set Ock off, it was hearing those actual words. Do you get me?

yup, the guys insane.. like norman certain things trigger there insanity... like with norman...peter "not playing by the rules" and unmasking

 

[Chris Wallace]

Or when he was cool until Teri Kidder asked him the wrong question.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Or when he was cool until Teri Kidder asked him the wrong question.

ya, very true...

 

[Chris Wallace]

Ok-so we're agreed that Ock's dementia can fluctuate, w/certain triggers. And here's something neither of us thought about; remember he got mind-f***ed in the MK series? No telling what kind of long-term effects that could've had.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ok-so we're agreed that Ock's dementia can fluctuate, w/certain triggers. And here's something neither of us thought about; remember he got mind-f***ed in the MK series? No telling what kind of long-term effects that could've had.

ya... that was pretty much the peek of his insanity...

 

[The Joker]

Web Of Death. He never said, "So all this time I've been fighting a mere boy?" He just went with it & got to work on a cure.

That was one thing about Web of Death which bothered me. We never got to see his actual reaction to Peter being the one under the mask.

Part 1 of Web of Death ended with Ock taking off Peter's mask. Then at the start of part 2 he was busying himself making the cure. Thinking about how easy it would be to kill Spider-Man there and now, as he is completely at his mercy. But he'd rather do it with Spidey in his prime. Kill him in "the dance' as he called it.

In fact, he did say something about having unmasked "a much younger Peter Parker", but he didn't freak out about it.

I think the reason he didn't freak out is because the unmasking was under his conditions. He unmasked Peter, and the secret was his to know. Peter was also dying.

In Civil War, Spider-Man goes and unmasks himself to the world, telling everyone he's been doing this since he was 15 years old.

It's like a slap in the face to all his foes who he beat back then. "Yeah that's right, you got your asses whupped by a 15 year old kid". No wonder he flipped out. Also, since Aunt May knew, Ock also assumed she knew back then too. And she and Peter had been laughing at him behind his back.

So I can understand why he flipped out in Civil War, and not in Web of Death.

 

[freemadison]

I think the reason he didn't freak out is because the unmasking was under his conditions. He unmasked Peter, and the secret was his to know. Peter was also dying.

In Civil War, Spider-Man goes and unmasks himself to the world, telling everyone he's been doing this since he was 15 years old.

It's like a slap in the face to all his foes who he beat back then. "Yeah that's right, you got your asses whupped by a 15 year old kid". No wonder he flipped out. Also, since Aunt May knew, Ock also assumed she knew back then too. And she and Peter had been laughing at him behind his back.

So I can understand why he flipped out in Civil War, and not in Web of Death.

That actually makes a lot of sense. You get a star.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

it makes alot of sense.. but since web of death.. hes lost his memory... and or died and was brought back by the hand (cant remember if that was before or after web of death though

 

[The Joker]

That actually makes a lot of sense. You get a star.

Ah, thank you

it makes alot of sense.. but since web of death.. hes lost his memory... and or died and was brought back by the hand (cant remember if that was before or after web of death though

Well he died in Web of Death, and was resurrected shortly after. But his memories that were uploaded into his mind by Carolyn Trainer were only as far as the events just before Web of Death.

Hence why he does not know who Spidey really is.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

gotcha

 

[Dangerous]

because people are wierd like that... it happens all the time

Real life is not a comic book and vice versa.
Many would feel that mirroring real life atrocities like 9/11 in a comic book that features superhero's trivializes it and could be interpreted as mocking those that died.
Much like it would have been inappropriate/disrespectful for the planned Rambo IV film to have been about Rambo going into Iraq and blasting Osama out of his hole.
Marvel just wanted to do the straight up best thing they could as a comic publisher and that was to do a tribute comic.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That was one thing about Web of Death which bothered me. We never got to see his actual reaction to Peter being the one under the mask.

Part 1 of Web of Death ended with Ock taking off Peter's mask. Then at the start of part 2 he was busying himself making the cure. Thinking about how easy it would be to kill Spider-Man there and now, as he is completely at his mercy. But he'd rather do it with Spidey in his prime. Kill him in "the dance' as he called it.



I think the reason he didn't freak out is because the unmasking was under his conditions. He unmasked Peter, and the secret was his to know. Peter was also dying.

In Civil War, Spider-Man goes and unmasks himself to the world, telling everyone he's been doing this since he was 15 years old.

It's like a slap in the face to all his foes who he beat back then. "Yeah that's right, you got your asses whupped by a 15 year old kid". No wonder he flipped out. Also, since Aunt May knew, Ock also assumed she knew back then too. And she and Peter had been laughing at him behind his back.

So I can understand why he flipped out in Civil War, and not in Web of Death.

I'll buy that; especially from you.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Real life is not a comic book and vice versa.
Many would feel that mirroring real life atrocities like 9/11 in a comic book that features superhero's trivializes it and could be interpreted as mocking those that died.
Much like it would have been inappropriate/disrespectful for the planned Rambo IV film to have been about Rambo going into Iraq and blasting Osama out of his hole.
Marvel just wanted to do the straight up best thing they could as a comic publisher and that was to do a tribute comic.

IMO, trivializing it would have been having the heroes capture Osama or stopping the planes.

 

[Arach Knight]

Gran Morrison is WAYYYYYYY ahead of you on that one. Can we say "Holy Terror Batman!" It's the new Batman story in which Batman dukes it out with Al Queda, for attacking Gotham. It's propoganda, but it's propoganda that i can be on board with.

 

[Arach Knight]

triple post...

 

[Arach Knight]

sorry...

 

[Chris Wallace]

Never saw that one. In a documentary on comics that aired on the History Channel, Stan Lee talked about how there were comics that had Superman & Captain America owning Hitler back in the 40's, but he personally felt to do that now would be inappropriate; the whole thing hit too close to home.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Real life is not a comic book and vice versa.
Many would feel that mirroring real life atrocities like 9/11 in a comic book that features superhero's trivializes it and could be interpreted as mocking those that died.
Much like it would have been inappropriate/disrespectful for the planned Rambo IV film to have been about Rambo going into Iraq and blasting Osama out of his hole.
Marvel just wanted to do the straight up best thing they could as a comic publisher and that was to do a tribute comic.

i dont see the difference though with it being in continuity or not... its not like there going to put archs around it or talk about it... it was still a comic published

 

[Arach Knight]

Never saw that one. In a documentary on comics that aired on the History Channel, Stan Lee talked about how there were comics that had Superman & Captain America owning Hitler back in the 40's, but he personally felt to do that now would be inappropriate; the whole thing hit too close to home.

Holy Terror Batman!, is actually a new story. I got one detail wrong though. It's a Frank Miller book, not a Grant Morrison book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Holy_Terror,_Batman!%22

 

[Chris Wallace]

Ah.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Batman takes on Al Qaeda?! Let me guess he'll beat the terrorists with prep time...

But although it would be cool to have the WTC issue in continuity, we shouldn't just to be PC... and have less complaining...

 

[SpideyInATree]

Batman takes on Al Qaeda?! Let me guess he'll beat the terrorists with prep time...

Batarangs, homes.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Batarangs and prep time.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Gas pellets. Grappling hook. Bat-taser. Bat-glider.