Superman Returns My problem with SUperman Returns.

[Excel]

I don't mind them exploring this, but I hope they do it on a subtle level. One of my beefs with SR is just how friggin serious it is. Superman is supposed to have some joy with it.

*claps*

sorry but id take spiderman-type of superman movie any day over anoter superman the movie.

good the first time but is boring now just like returns will soon be!

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

When you adapt a comic book like Superman and make a sensitive chick flick. Again if it's so far from the source material and is feminised so much and pretty much made for women they should just call it something else.

Oh please. Sorry, but this macho b.s. is tiresome. The Superman films as well as any other superhero movie ever made has had romance at the center of the film. Superman happens to be the more romantic of any of the other superhero characters. So much so that he spent 60+ years courting Lois Lane in the comics.

And if you think that only girls and "metrosexuals" enjoyed Superman Returns, then you're just being closed minded.

Of course it should be character driven but if you have 2 hours to kill and no origin to tell, it's inexcusable to not have a supervillain and some action and killer finale to blow us a away. Again, it's Superman. And if you want character driven why do you like a superhero movie where the main character says practically NOTHING in his OWN movie. And again if you want character, how come there was little to NO dialogue between the hero and the villain. Pathetic.

Lex Luthor is Superman's most well known villain to the general public. They have no clue who Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo or any of his other rogues are. Singer and the WB wanted Lex in the film because they felt he was safe. You'll get your supervillain in the next film.

And sorry, but Superman and Clark have plenty to say in the film. Just because he didn't whip out a monologue every five seconds doesn't mean he didn't say anything. And, really, did you expect him to say things like, "Okay maybe if I land on the wing of the plane and pull up slightly, I can ease it down to the ground." Or perhaps you would have preferred thought bubbles.

Sometimes the face and the eyes can say a lot more than a line of dialogue can.

You can't honestly think having jason was a good idea. Theres hundreds of characters from the books that have yet to be adapted for a movie adaption. Instead of an interesting character we've been given Jason. SOO CHEESY.

Sure I can. It's called forming my own opinion. Jason's character will allow us to see how Superman deals with fatherhood, which is something we've never seen put on film. Maybe you're against Christopher Kent in Action Comics.

Every point you made is valid but do you really think singer did a good character driven superhero movie. Clark was a poor impersonation of Reeves Clark. Superman said nothing and was unassertive and wimpy. Lois was poorly cast and uncharasmatic. Luthors plot was ridiculous and he was campy and corney. The suit was crap, a lot of the CG was very bad and the overall plot was a ridiculous rehash of STM only made MORE boring and MORE cheesy with even less action.
A Travesty.

That's all your opinion. Nothing in there is fact. Not one bit. If you don't like SR, more power to you. Personally, I think it's one of the finer superhero films and ranks right up there with Donner's classic.

 

[Lighthouse]

*claps*

sorry but id take spiderman-type of superman movie any day over anoter superman the movie.

good the first time but is boring now just like returns will soon be!

 

[House_of_El]

And can someone tell me where was this scene?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

 

[Thunder Emperor]

face it SR was a ****ty movie, for whatever genre you put it in. For an action movie it like that. For a drama it was no-existent, for a love story what love story. it failed on every point it tried to achieve on. For a family movie it totally bombed there

 

[Zen Ith]

face it SR was a ****ty movie, for whatever genre you put it in. For an action movie it like that. For a drama it was no-existent, for a love story what love story. it failed on every point it tried to achieve on. For a family movie it totally bombed there

Face it, SR is not that bad of a movie.

 

[Maze]

face it SR was a ****ty movie, for whatever genre you put it in. For an action movie it like that. For a drama it was no-existent, for a love story what love story. it failed on every point it tried to achieve on. For a family movie it totally bombed there

Or maybe you just need to face that you failed to appreciate the greatness of Sr

you see , where we can go with your ways? the movie is not perfect yes ,not up to your taste of those of of some people but ****ty please

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Jason's character will allow us to see how Superman deals with fatherhood, which is something we've never seen put on film.

This doesn't get me excited at all. I'm not saying to myself, "I can't wait to see how Superman deals with fatherhood!!". I don't go to a superhero movie to see how the hero deals with the pressing issue of being a father. And honestly, I'm fine with Superman and Lois having a child but not under the circumstances in SR.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Also, I loved the messiah aspects of Superman Returns. Singer delivered in spades. I'm an athiest and it overwhelmed me. I think he should definatley keep that up in MOS. That's why I'd like it if they adapted Death of Superman/World W/out Superman.
Thoughts?

It's highly interesting to find an atheist overwhelmed by the messiah aspects of a comic book character depicted in a movie...

Don't you think it's kind of a contradiction?

 

[Maze]

It's highly interesting to find an atheist overwhelmed by the messiah aspects of a comic book character depicted in a movie...

Don't you think it's kind of a contradiction?

Well personnaly , i don't "believe" but i was overwhelmed by it too.

For me how it is presented in the movie is really mythical (like in an Alex Ross comics now that i think about it) and i find that awe inspiring.

 

[Thunder Emperor]

Or maybe you just need to face that you failed to appreciate the greatness of Sr

you see , where we can go with your ways? the movie is not perfect yes ,not up to your taste of those of of some people but ****ty please

Please the movie was abysmal, showed nothing about superman that was superman. super stalker, Super sissy. And inconsistent application of kryptonite. Poor chemistry between the leads. Zero plot, Super -Kid. I could go on and on. But the worst was the fact that the movie didn't follow its main theme a world with out superman

 

[Dan33977]

The replies in this thread clearly illustrate why I dislike those who didn't like SUPERMAN RETURNS more than I do those enjoyed it. Seriously, some of you are too condescending and snobbish, especially since this is just a fictitious film based on a comic book character. It does comfort me, though, whenever you whine about RETURNS being too boring because it explains why POTC: DMC made the amount of money that it did: there's an abundance of people with extremely low attention spans.

I mean, it's OK that you still cannot watch a 2-and-a-half-hour-film without any action in it; I'm not criticizing you for this since my 3-year-old cousin is similar.

 

[dark_b]

Please the movie was abysmal, showed nothing about superman that was superman. super stalker, Super sissy. And inconsistent application of kryptonite. Poor chemistry between the leads. Zero plot, Super -Kid. I could go on and on. But the worst was the fact that the movie didn't follow its main theme a world with out superman

i agree

 

[dark_b]

The replies in this thread clearly illustrate why I dislike those who didn't like SUPERMAN RETURNS more than I do those enjoyed it. Seriously, some of you are too condescending and snobbish, especially since this is just a fictitious film based on a comic book character. It does comfort me, though, whenever you whine about RETURNS being too boring because it explains why POTC: DMC made the amount of money that it did: there's an abundance of people with extremely low attention spans.

I mean, it's OK that you still cannot watch a 2-and-a-half-hour-film without any action in it; I'm not criticizing you for this since my 3-year-old cousin is similar.

thats not hte problem. i think everyone here can watch an 2:30 movie without action. but this is superman. it can not have 90% story and 10% action.

 

[Dan33977]

but this is superman. it can not have 90% story and 10% action.

Why?

 

[Maze]

Please the movie was abysmal, showed nothing about superman that was superman. super stalker, Super sissy. And inconsistent application of kryptonite. Poor chemistry between the leads. Zero plot, Super -Kid. I could go on and on. But the worst was the fact that the movie didn't follow its main theme a world with out superman

Nope.

in your opinion.

and i disagree on all your points.

ps: From day one , it was clear that you were not going to like this movie.I was a lurker at the time

 

[cujo66]

This is why Superman 1 is probibly the best comic film of them all. They kept to the basic story. It started from his begining and took him through his first major crisis. It didn't stray from continuity because in 70's there weren't that many people keeping track of that sort of things. In those days everything was all over the place, which problibly is why DC came Up with Crisis on Infinate Earth. Let's wipe out all the different variations we have, start from the bigining, and construct a consistant story line and keep in line with it from here on out.
Hollywood is just about mass appeal. They are never gonna stick to continuity because they don't see it bringing in the big bucks. Although I think if you do it by the stories in the comics, the fanboys will make it a success.

Now that said, I hate the kid thing, where you gonna go with that?
Death of Superman, Bale cammeo, in our dreams. The studio is run by people who don't get it. They want to keep the 2 franchise seperate to milk for all they can, til they kill 'em again ala Batman & Robin and Superman 4.
Why not introduce a new baddie? They're doing it in Spiderman 3. The general public do not know Venom or Sandman, hell they didn't know the Green Goblin.

Crap, I 'm losing track of what I was trying to say, so I 'll end with my biggest problem with Superman Returns, Why the f**K is Jimmy baking Clark a cake?

 

[Spike_x1]

The replies in this thread clearly illustrate why I dislike those who didn't like SUPERMAN RETURNS more than I do those enjoyed it. Seriously, some of you are too condescending and snobbish, especially since this is just a fictitious film based on a comic book character. It does comfort me, though, whenever you whine about RETURNS being too boring because it explains why POTC: DMC made the amount of money that it did: there's an abundance of people with extremely low attention spans.

I mean, it's OK that you still cannot watch a 2-and-a-half-hour-film without any action in it; I'm not criticizing you for this since my 3-year-old cousin is similar.

Am I the only one who noticed the irony in this post?

 

[Dan33977]

Am I the only one who noticed the irony in this post?

No, because there isn't any...

 

[Spike_x1]

No, because there isn't any...

Well yeah, except for the part where you belittle others for being "too condescending and snobbish" while you yourself are shooting those very same characteristics out your ass, insulting people who enjoyed POTC and making snide comparisons between some posters and a 3 year old.

Oh no, that's neither condescending nor snobbish. Right.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Well yeah, except for the part where you belittle others for being "too condescending and snobbish" while you yourself are shooting those very same characteristics out your ass, insulting people who enjoyed POTC and making snide comparisons between some posters and a 3 year old.

Oh no, that's neither condescending nor snobbish. Right.

You took the words right out of my mouth, Spike.
Well said. I second that.

 

[Dan33977]

Well yeah, except for the part where you belittle others for being "too condescending and snobbish" while you yourself are shooting those very same characteristics out your ass, insulting people who enjoyed POTC and making snide comparisons between some posters and a 3 year old.

Oh no, that's neither condescending nor snobbish. Right.

No, it isn't...

 

[sithgoblin]

No, it isn't...

whoa! this guy means buisness.

 

[Diamondhead]

I hope the next movie will be an entire new movie and not another
Superman rebound.
They need to make Superman reborn instead!
And not Superman "back to the future"
As he discovered he was back on an alternative earth and need to go back to the original.
Just like planet of the apes paradox!
Many mistakes was made in SR.

Forget about Richard Donner superman from the 70's
And architectural nonsense render of krypton
And go for an entire new franchise
Because everything about that superman returns was second rate
Including the title, which was obviously barrow from batman returns?

The best thing in this movie was superman catching the airplane!
And you know why?
Because it’s something that was never done in a live action movie before.

Young Clark running in the field is almost the same thing when peter parker was bouncing rooftop to rooftop
Superman plunging unconsciously towards the earth kind of remind me of the hulk when he was plunging unconsciously toward the ocean
Or Spiderman “Christ scene on a cross” losing consciousness after saving those people in the train
There was so many scenes that was barrow from other stuff we’ve seen before

What I’m trying to say is!
In other to make something very interesting you need to make entire new action situations and not barrow stuff seen in other movies before.

Why do you think pirates of Caribbean (dead men chest) were such a huge success?
Because they did a lot of original stuff that got the people hooked!
(Even though I’ve seen a few before in other movies)
But the number of new action situations was overwhelming.

So next time work your imagination a little more when you’re making a 270 million dollars movie ok.

 

[Visceral]

This doesn't get me excited at all. I'm not saying to myself, "I can't wait to see how Superman deals with fatherhood!!". I don't go to a superhero movie to see how the hero deals with the pressing issue of being a father. And honestly, I'm fine with Superman and Lois having a child but not under the circumstances in SR.

superman has become his father, figuratively.

and since this on a subcontext level I don't see why this doesn't get one excited.

Seriously I mean does anyone really get excited over the drama in the spiderman movies? I sure as hell don't but I do appreciate it.

This is a very good direction to take superman in. the father son theme goes way back to his origin and now it is more apart of his life.