Negativity towards the DC films? - Part 1

[dc_marvel_fan]

Fanboys make multiple accounts and vote movies up or down to their liking.

In all audience score sites BvS is about 6/10. So either fanboys are sabotaging all sites or these sites shows that even the audience had mixed feelings about the movie. Take your pick

 

[Grommers]

So.....some critics should only review DC while others should only review MARVEL? Why not also say that critics that review superheroes can't review romantic comedies or musicals?

A critic is going to watch movies. I dare say that they will watch both DC and MARVEL because they aren't into the petty studio rivalry that you see from people on here.

No, what I'm saying is when companies send there critics to watch a movie, they have a X amounts of critics, so they tend to send the same reviewer say to do all romantic comedies to ensure that everything is looked at in the same light. Imagine someone who watches horror movies reviews a romantic comedy and although that's obviously an extreme but you get the idea.

 

[Erzengel]

I took the audience score from three sites, Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB and Metacritic.

First let me say this isn't a perfect system. I feel that you could only take a sample since around mid 2000s, because a movie like Spider-Man 2 and X-2 probably should have been higher. Also, the further you went back say Superman and Superman 2, the scores were lower. You would assume that the more recent movies get more votes which is understandable.

So RT's score is out of 5. IMDB and Metracritic is out of 10, so I just divided IMDB & MC by 2 to have them comparable. RT does add a little bit more weight to the score.

Let's take TDK which is considered arguably the best CBM. It's average across RT, MC and IMDB is 4.43. So there's your benchmark.

Out of the the last decade or so here are the movies that scored a 4.0 or over are the following: (Note not in any specific order)

TDKT
TWS
CW
The Avengers
GOTG
IM
Doctor Strange
GOTG 2
Logan
Deadpool
DOFP

Let's do 3.50 to 3.99
Captain America: The First Avenger
Ant-Man
AOU
IM3
Thor
Incredible Hulk
Thor: Dark World
Man of Steel
The Amazing Spider-Man
X-Men: First Class

3.0 to 3.49
Iron Man 2
Batman v. Superman
Suicide Squad
Spider-Man 3
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
The Wolverine
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men: Wolverine Origins

2.99 and below
Green Lantern
Fant4stic Four

I'm sure I can twist this around and make it more elite by saying 4.15 and above, 3.75 to 4.14, etc. But I think the overall point is how BvS and SS stack up again the other comic book films in the genre. And it's not exactly stellar company. Make up your own conclusions but I was curious.

 

[Steamteck]

Audience ratings from IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes are basically worthless.

I never put any stock in them.

Kind of how I feel about the critic's ratings. The audience rating are a much more solid barometer for what i care about in a film actually being entertained.

 

[Steamteck]

Yep. You'd think positive reviews would unite us, but maybe we'll experience more of this division until the DCEU manages to consistently provide us with quality products. Super.

Or until we all agree its so.

 

[The Endless]

Kind of how I feel about the critic's ratings. The audience rating are a much more solid barometer for what i care about in a film actually being entertained.

You're missing the point though. Fanatics have literal "voting wars" on IMDB.

When TDK came out hundreds of 0 scores appeared for the likes of The Godfather and Shawshank to bring their scores down.

It isn't a viable gauge for the average movie goer... But rabid losers who have too much time on their hands.

 

[The Joker]

In all audience score sites BvS is about 6/10. So either fanboys are sabotaging all sites or these sites shows that even the audience had mixed feelings about the movie. Take your pick

I was going to give this a serious answer and then I noticed the banned user status.

 

[metaphysician]

Yep. You'd think positive reviews would unite us, but maybe we'll experience more of this division until the DCEU manages to consistently provide us with quality products. Super.

Assuming, of course, that the cadre of DCEU fans whose fandom is essentially based in the negative traits of the prior movies is sufficiently small. If not? The division will only worsen with more good movies, because those movies won't be the ones which that segment of the fanbase wants.

Or, a fan who likes BvS *because* its a juvenile grim-gritty violence fest painted with a veneer of faux seriousness for respectability indulgence? Isn't going to be thrilled if WB switches to making movies that focus on a strong narrative and good characterization, whether bright *or* dark. After all, that would mean sacrificing the 90s Kewl, either from being more optimistic, or from being genuinely serious and deep.

 

[metaphysician]

For some, there won't be any unity until the majority of critics and skeptics suddenly decide that MOS and BvS were/are masterpieces and that they "Get it" now.

Yeah, this. And sadly, there are DCEU fans who are hoping for Wonder Woman to do just that, and if it doesn't? Its a failure as a movie, whose success is probably going to be blamed on "SJWs".

 

[2kt09]

Or, a fan who likes BvS *because* its a juvenile grim-gritty violence fest painted with a veneer of faux seriousness for respectability indulgence? Isn't going to be thrilled if WB switches to making movies that focus on a strong narrative and good characterization, whether bright *or* dark. After all, that would mean sacrificing the 90s Kewl, either from being more optimistic, or from being genuinely serious and deep.

You really go hard on this.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Does anyone find that there seems to be a huge amount of negativity online regarding films in the DC Extended Universe? I'm not sure how much of this is representative of the larger population, and I get that Man of Steel was a controversial film. But it just seems like whenever I see something cool from Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman or whatever, the positive comments are overwhelmingly drowned out by the sheer vitriol and negativity basically complaining and criticizing every aspect of the production and DC films in general.

What are your thoughts? Personally, I like everything I've seen, but the future of this cinematic universe relies on the movies being popular and well-liked enough for the studio to make more. Marvel has the advantage of having proven themselves in a way that has created trust in their brand. Is the negativity towards DC films a real problem, and if so, is it simply a result of the fact that all we have to go on so far is one hugely divisive film in the form of MOS?

They make bad movies. Said movies get heat from customers who pay money to see them. There is no Illuminati conspiracy here. All this talk because some of you can't accept that the product is considered subpar.

If this was Tranformrs or Pirates none of you would care. Now because it's DC heroes and you want them to be acclaimed you find excuses and loopholes when the reality is so simple, it's defeaning.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

So wait, this movie earned 872 million dollars because audience thought it sucked?
Good to know.

If BvS makes most the money in the first week and then drops like a rock in the second because lots of people that watched it the first week
said it sucked, then yes, the audience thought it sucked.

Rotten Tomatoes is the worst. IMDB is bad, but at least IMDB doesn't take the anticipation votes and immediately make them all positive as soon as the film comes out.

For what it's worth, Superman Returns got a 61% as compared to a 63% for BvS and I don't really hear that many people claiming SR was a masterpiece.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Superman Returns actually got positive reviews among critics upon release (76% on RT) but over time people really soured on the movie.

 

[MbJ]

No, what I'm saying is when companies send there critics to watch a movie, they have a X amounts of critics, so they tend to send the same reviewer say to do all romantic comedies to ensure that everything is looked at in the same light. Imagine someone who watches horror movies reviews a romantic comedy and although that's obviously an extreme but you get the idea.

That still doesn't really hold up. But if we are going to go down this train of logic then let's play it like this, how many people who gave negative reviews to Batman v. Superman gave positive ones to similarly toned ones like Logan or Days of Future Past, or previous DC films like the Nolan Batman films?

Because if you're arguing those critics' reviews were unfairly influenced by the fact that they've also watched Marvel movies, wouldn't it stand to reason they'd also be influenced by more serious superhero movies that did get positive reviews?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, what I'm saying is when companies send there critics to watch a movie, they have a X amounts of critics, so they tend to send the same reviewer say to do all romantic comedies to ensure that everything is looked at in the same light. Imagine someone who watches horror movies reviews a romantic comedy and although that's obviously an extreme but you get the idea.

You mean like Roger Ebert did for decades?

 

[Web-Head]

The only way to combat negativity is with positive results which looks like is happening with WW. That's Step 1. Step 2 is JL. Let's just hope it's not 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

I have my doubts about JL, but Aquaman looks like it'll be good so far so we'll see.

If the average movie goer really did love BvS... then it wouldn't have completely bombed after the huge first weekend. There is a reason it didn't have legs... barely any repeat viewings.

I just remember my theater being completely silent after. Even I pretty much liked the movie, but had no desire to go and see it again in theaters.

Fanboys make multiple accounts and vote movies up or down to their liking.

This and you can vote before a movie is even released, or at least you could before. I'm not sure if that's changed though.

 

[Panacea]

Fanboys make multiple accounts and vote movies up or down to their liking.

Yes, but their votes are basically worthless if all they do is vote with 1s and 10s.

 

[The Joker]

This and you can vote before a movie is even released, or at least you could before. I'm not sure if that's changed though.

It's the same as far as I know.

Yes, but their votes are basically worthless if all they do is vote with 1s and 10s.

How are they worthless when they change the score?

Read this; https://www.cnet.com/news/when-the-wisdom-of-crowds-turns-on-itself-imdb-edition/

 

[Best]

The DCEU fanbase on Twitter is... well, you won't find any negativity there. Seriously.

 

[Sleiek]

If BvS makes most the money in the first week and then drops like a rock in the second because lots of people that watched it the first week
said it sucked, then yes, the audience thought it sucked.

Oh really? Let's compare to it's nearest competition. Civil War.

Civil War's Opening weekend to Total Haul Percentage: 43.9%
Dawn of Justice's Opening Weekend to Total Haul Percentage: 50.3%

The point of this comparison is not that BvS did better, Marvel clearly has the edge and is more popular, but instead it's that BvS didn't do as bad as some delusional people here make it out to be.

 

[The Endless]

It's Friday to Friday drop was like 85%. 85!

It had a US opening weekend of 170 million... And finished with 320 million. What else does this data suggest?

 

[Ivan Drago]

Yeah didn't BvS have a record breaking drop between Saturday and Sunday on it's first weekend?

 

[StormC]

Yeah didn't BvS have a record breaking drop between Saturday and Sunday on it's first weekend?

It did.

It also has the same CinemaScore as such hit movies as Green Lantern and Catwoman.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh really? Let's compare to it's nearest competition. Civil War.

Civil War's Opening weekend to Total Haul Percentage: 43.9%
Dawn of Justice's Opening Weekend to Total Haul Percentage: 50.3%

The point of this comparison is not that BvS did better, Marvel clearly has the edge and is more popular, but instead it's that BvS didn't do as bad as some delusional people here make it out to be.

What is so telling is that BvS had a bigger opening day by 6m. Then proceeded to lose the domestic race by 78m total. That is as awful as WOM gets. It was so bad, it effected the opening weekend. it collapsed on Sat and Sun. Civil War ended over 400m. BvS missed that mark by a lot.

Just look at TDKR. A movie that divided a lot of people, and opened like 6m below BvS for the weekend, without 3D. Got to 448m.

 

[Superchan]

So wait, this movie earned 872 million dollars because audience thought it sucked?
Good to know.

A movie that has suprman and batman in it barely has a 2X multiplier indicates that the audience thought it sucked!!
A movie that has superman and batman in it opens at 40 million and 70 million more than obscure comicbook characters like deadpool and Guardians respectively yet ends up making less than either of them domestically, so again the audience thought it sucked!!!
A movie that has superman and batman in it and cost 400 million and was expected to make atleast a billion and then ends up making less than the crappy secret life of pets, yeah the audience thought it sucked!!

The point of this comparison is not that BvS did better, Marvel clearly has the edge and is more popular, but instead it's that BvS didn't do as bad as some delusional people here make it out to be.

Funny you should use the word delusional. Again let me repeat my earlier statement and remind you that BvS hold the dubious record of having the lowest multiplier of any movie that opened at 100 + in history!!! Yeah the audience thought it sucked.