Why Can't DC Get it right? - Part 1

[Angryfantasyfan]

Between streaming, Blu-Ray, pay TV, basic cable and broadcast rights WB should make a decent profit from BvS. But it doesn't appear as though the studio will make much, if anything, from the theatrical presentation.

Taking all revenue streams into consideration, one of the financial sites calculated that it will make a profit but will be less profitable than Man of Steel.

 

[StormC]

Well to be frank, BvS should have hit a billion. If the WOM and reviews weren't so bad, and it had decent legs, it would have.


It was pretty killer.

Oh, I agree. But after BVS's reception, WB can't realistically expect to safely hit a billion with a tarnished brand.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Well to be frank, BvS should have hit a billion. If the WOM and reviews weren't so bad, and it had decent legs, it would have.

Of the top ten opening weekends of all-time, BvS is the only one not to hit a billion.

 

[Erzengel]

I kinda wish there was a WB leaks with e-mails going back and forth around March-April.

 

[Flint Marko]

Of the top ten opening weekends of all-time, BvS is the only one not to hit a billion.

Oh wow, didn't know that actually.

 

[metaphysician]

Where do you scale back?

With an inevitable fight with Darkseid, where do you cut and try and budget?

Same thing with Star Wars or the Avengers. You can't do those movies on a Deadpool budget.

What you do is "Don't write a movie that requires mega-budget in the first place, until you know the franchise can actually support such". Which is to say, they *shouldn't* have planned for their third movie out to involve Darkseid.

 

[metaphysician]

Both Avengers films, Civil War, and TFA all had budgets within 225-250 million.

All of which were part of established, highly successful franchises, is the thing. Avengers 1 and TFA were both gambles, but they were at least intelligent gambles with good evidence to suggest they'd succeed and justify their price.

WB, by contrast, was spending that big of dollar amounts on their *first* movie, MoS.

 

[metaphysician]

News outlets such as Deadline and I think Variety stated that BvS needed anywhere between $800-$850M to make a profit. ---Erzengel

I was going by what Erzengel said, based off that, it made a profit.
Maybe not as much as they wanted, but it did according to Erzengel.

Which does not contradict a thing I said. If it needed approximately 800-850 to turn a profit, and it makes 875, that means it. . . barely turned a profit. Nobody throws blockbuster budgets at a movie to only make a few million off of it, especially when it doesn't particularly succeed at building intangible benefits either. Its not like with Batman Begins, say, where tiny profit can be balanced against strong reviews and WOM, and thus strong prospects for future films in the franchise.

 

[metaphysician]

Trying to defend it as much as possible !
LOL.
I would hate to see DC fail and only be exposed to a Marvel universe in the cinema.

As opposed to getting a choice between Marvel in cinema, and terrible DC in cinema?

Hoping that bad movies succeed doesn't improve the situation. WB needs to have its crappier movies fail, so that they might eventually learn their lesson and start putting out better movies.

 

[metaphysician]

It's complicated but no its not. IF the total budget, including marketing equaled to $500 million then the film would need to gross double its budget to break even....meaning a billion $$. I don't think the total budget is that high but we do know WB spent a TON on this movie, and this is the problem we're talking about.

Just as a random example. The first Kick Ass movie cost about $30 million. the movie would've needed $60 mill to break even. The movie made $96, thus making $36 million in profit. Kick Ass 2 cost the same amount but only made $60 million. The film just broke even, no profit therefore no more sequels.

Um, no. If the movie made $96 dollars, then the studio got half that in revenue, or $48. Which means their profit is $18, not $36.

Remember, the studio only gets approximately half the total gross, and this is true even after they break even.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

As opposed to getting a choice between Marvel in cinema, and terrible DC in cinema?

Hoping that bad movies succeed doesn't improve the situation. WB needs to have its crappier movies fail, so that they might eventually learn their lesson and start putting out better movies.

One of the worst things that can happen is an awful movie that ends up being a huge hit. Then nothing changes and you keep getting more crappy movies. Transformers is now dead to me because of this. I know there is zero chance I will get a Transformers movie I like for possibly decades, if ever.

 

[Timebomb]

One of the worst things that can happen is an awful movie that ends up being a huge hit. Then nothing changes and you keep getting more crappy movies. Transformers is now dead to me because of this. I know there is zero chance I will get a Transformers movie I like for possibly decades, if ever.

It's the worst thing that can happen to any product. I consider myself a long time DC fan but they have to earn my fandom with quality. Its the same with the comics. I won't read what I consider poor quality in hopes that enough fans like me make them increase quality. Same applies to the movies. I don't want DC to fail in any way shape or form, but I do want quality. I demand it as a fan. Of course my idea of quality differs from others but I'm selfish and I want what I think is good quality. BvS ain't it.

 

[spider-neil]

I think DC would improve if WB made a DCU division and gave them complete autonomy.
Marvel Studios is owned by Disney but they are very much separate entities.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

As opposed to getting a choice between Marvel in cinema, and terrible DC in cinema?

Hoping that bad movies succeed doesn't improve the situation. WB needs to have its crappier movies fail, so that they might eventually learn their lesson and start putting out better movies.

Well saying BvS was bad is a little too much. I know you can't please everyone, and BvS may not have been all it could have been, but DC is new to the shared universe & I believe they will learn from their errors.
Seeing Batman & Superman together was still worth it. Not even all of Marvel movies are Godfather quality films.

 

[MadVillainy]

How is saying that BvS is bad is a little too much? I don't get that statement

 

[StormC]

Seeing Batman & Superman together was still worth it.

If only it was. I'd rather have not seen their first meeting squandered like this.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

How is saying that BvS is bad is a little too much? I don't get that statement

To clarify : saying that BvS is bad is a little too much

I meant saying it is bad might be too harsh a criticism. Going too far or overboard.
I understand everyone has their opinion & not everyone will feel the same. Saying its bad I think is going over the line.

There is something we all would change or add in any comic movie.
And it doesnt make any of us wrong or right.

 

[StormC]

I meant saying it is bad might be too harsh a criticism. Going too far or overboard.
I understand everyone has their opinion & not everyone will feel the same. Saying its bad I think is going over the line.

Plenty of people have been saying it's bad since the first reviews were dropping. It shouldn't come as any surprise if someone hold that opinion. It's an oddly defensive position to take that nobody can call it bad.

 

[MadVillainy]

Plenty of people have been saying it's bad since the first reviews were dropping. It shouldn't come as any surprise if someone hold that opinion. It's an oddly defensive position to take that nobody can call it bad.

My thoughts exactly.

I understood what you meant Peyton, I just think it didn't make sense at all. So should no one be able to say a movie is bad and then that's going overboard?

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Let me further clarify my position.
I am not starting a crusade against opinions by people who say a movie or idea is bad.
I actually welcome varying opinions. Makes for healthy debate.
Nor am I related to or a friend of Mr. Z. Snyder.
My point is , I have read many opinions saying BvS was bad.
A euphemism for S**t.
I know every comic movie can not be Citizen Kane, but was it that bad?
There is so much history to include in comic movies you cant get it all and also add fresh ideas.
Its not like he made some Ed Wood movie !
I liked Affleck as Batman, I thought it was better then most would admit & seeing Superman & Batman together was great fun.

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't think "bad" is necessarily another way of saying "****".

 

[Peyton Westlake]

I don't think "bad" is necessarily another way of saying "****".

No but because of censorship here, I think most times it is.

 

[Timebomb]

My personal feeling while watching BVS was that the material and myself as a fan were being disrespected. It was my personal opinion. That coupled with the technical issues made this a "****" movie. However It wasn't complete "****". But back on topic. I don't think the fact that they went for a team up movie first was the wrong decision, it's the execution that made it the wrong decision. It should leave me excited for the solo movies and the only one I am excited for is WW and excited might be too strong of a word.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

My personal feeling while watching BVS was that the material and myself as a fan were being disrespected. It was my personal opinion. That coupled with the technical issues made this a "****" movie. However It wasn't complete "****". But back on topic. I don't think the fact that they went for a team up movie first was the wrong decision, it's the execution that made it the wrong decision. It should leave me excited for the solo movies and the only one I am excited for is WW and excited might be too strong of a word.

Even though I liked BvS , I even said i thought the inclusion of Doomsday was wrong.
I would have left Doomsday as the opponent for a solo Superman movie.
A different threat would have been better suited to unite the core 3

 

[Timebomb]

Yeah I agree Doomsday should have been the threat at a later/different time.