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Discussion in 'Transformers' started by Electrix, Apr 13, 2007.
Cullen sounds pretty damn cool, I wonder having his mouth guard up will change his voice anymore?
I realizar that may be true in some cases but after the building of the space bridge in the series it seemed to take more of a race back to Cybertron feel rather than get the energon and replenish our planet. After the origin episodes it seemed kind of like that. The movie that came out in the 80's didn't even have the theme of energon. It had a central theme of reclaim cybertron and defeat Unicron/Galvatron. It was like the only ones who was even concerned with the energon were Megatron and Optimus. Strange as it may be, Rodimus and Galvitron only cared about Cybertron and the Autobot Matrix. Guess it's a difference in leaders but whatever. I kind of like the story of the film more than the show... why? It seems more in-depth. It might be because it was made for small kids or whatever but the movie seems more mature. Maybe targeted to a teenage audience? Whatever the reason I'm liking the movie more and more.
Hearing OP speak sounded so old school...Just like hearing an 80's cartoon sound byte...It could be a bad thing when you think about it...
I don't see political undertones as must have for a good story,i thought Raiders of the Lost ark was awesome without any social or political commentary
Stripping earths resources to power their own ends was what they needed to win the war,it can be seen as a metaphor for how we as a race are doing that but i don't think that was their overall intention
I don't think so either. But, for me personally, it was one of the more interesting aspects of Transformers that set it apart (as a story) from the simple "Maguffin Quest" in so many cartoons at the time from Gobots (Last Engineer) to He-man (Castle Greyskull) to Thundercats (Sword of Omens) etc. because it so directly applied to the world then and (still) today.
The original story had the possibility of being expanded on into very good sci-fi (instead of watered down)... in the hands of the right director/writer.
I don't think it's watered down personally,i think it's a good sci fi story of two waring races of Robots that then drag us into their conflict with one side trying to protect us and the other willing to kill anything in their path to achieve their goals which you could say is a metaphor for the Iraq war situation from some perspectives.
Obviously the other theme(coming of age)is present in both takes.
But... I mean... you just also described Gobots.
I never watched Gobots but i don't think that is an issue,the story is relevant to where we are now and the coming of age part is ageless,i don't think we need to delve so overtly personally.
How is one similar component (debatable) describing Gobots? Every word of that is Transformers as well. The Autobots in the movie arent searching for an individual being with the ability to fix a fallen friend. Thats would be closer to the Gobots premise. But in G1, were there not two groups of sentient warring robots that dragged us into their war? Thats every bit Transformers.
It's also every bit Shogun Warriors and I don't know how many other "Robot" Japanese cartoons from the 70's. And, yes, Gobots. It's also pretty much Galactica '80 (when they finally reach home).
You guys seem to be saying that:
+ Some cool-sounding names like Optimus and Starscream
= Bang! TRANSFORMERS.
And I don't think that's true. Without the Earth natural resources thing (in the Spike/Bumblebee/Arrive-on-Earth origin story anyway) the movie is MORE like Gobots and other simplistic "Quest for the Ring or Sword of Power" typical cartoon fare. That's all I'm saying.
And by the way, The Last Engineer could do more than "save a fallen friend." He CREATED the robots. Just like the AllSpark in this movie. Here the thing is a magical object while the other is a magical being. Really, it doesn't make a difference (that's why it's called a "Macguffin").
And The Sam and Bumblebee relationship and the characterizations but by the same token you seem to be hell bent on the idea that if the energon cubes/human resource stealing isn't there then it's not Transformers and i don't agree.
Yes. Honestly, I do think it's no more than Gobots in that case.
I know future stories dealt with the Allspark (and Gods and Wizards and Demons). But THIS story (Spike/Bumblebee/Arrive-on-Earth) to me was interesting because of that great sci-fi aspect concerning Earth's resources. Get rid of that and make Bumblebee a gas guzzler (symbolically), and it's not just not-Transformers.... but a parody.
Fair enough Cflash,i don't agree at all but at least this debate has been civil,calm and intelligent and i respect you and your opinion for that even if we disagree
hunter is a Gobot-face poo-poo head!
A friend gave me an old ass tape she found of Gobots for some odd reason the other day. I'd actually like them to make a Gobots movie someday. It'd more than likely be a lot more kiddy movie than Bay's crap, but then they could have the Renegades stealing Earth's resources and such.
You seem to like overlooking the fact that I (and others) have repeatedly stated that we find the characterizations of the various TFs in the movie relatively intact. While there are cosmetic changes/upgrades/redesigns to all of them, the characters themselves seem obviously based on the G1 versions. Not that they really had to do this since it obviously isnt just a remake of G1.
P.S. Going by the limited research on the Gobots that Ive done, they went in search of the individual that could fix a fallen friend. The last of the race that built them all in the first place. How exactly is the TF movie ripping that off?
And you seem so very fixated on the Gobots anyway. If you consider the TF movie a Gobot movie, you should like it anyway.
The rest is lies,the way you can tell is that DL said "she" which clearly exposes his fakery as he knows no wimmens
It was your mom, son!
1983 called,it wants it's joke back
This is actually a good point. Due to rights being in limbo and other reasons, realistically a Gobots movie will never be made in our lifetime, so since the stink of Gobots is all over this Bay-bomb, Gobots fans should go see it as well, and pretend and love.
You're a cranky pants today Lipsy
Why are the Gobots rights in limbo ?
I'm not cranky, look at my avy. I'm fat and sassy.
I think Bandai, Tonka, AND Hanna Barbera all had their fists in Gobots stock. I read somewhere that due to rights problems Gobots would never see an official DVD release.
I thought you were big furred not fat
You'd think they'd all just join up on the deal and make some money
It's fat fur.
We'll see how TF does this summer. The smell of money might knock some dust off their paperwork.
Just like some cheap ass studio rushed into production that knock off "Transmorphers" to get some cash on the big robots thing, maybe Gobots will see some life as a quick cash machine as well. Just look at all the damn penguin movies.
My vote is for a live action version of Iron Giant.
But, not made by Bay.