New Mutants New Mutants News and Discussion - Part 2

[psylockolussus]

This is a hard one...

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It's hard to compare this to the other films you mentioned because the actors all did such a fantastic job and it feels like they held down by the ever changing script & the director, and they really did the best possible with what they had to work with. But with that said, judging the movie as a whole I would say it isn't even as good as Fant4stic. Very sad situation.

No wonder it was delayed 18 months! Geez!

 

[BWX]

Well if the fox/Disney deal is already complete that means that the moment Comcast put in their bid it should be automically rejected by default. Right?

Even if Murdock says he isn't committed to Disney it doesn't matter since the deal is done. Well either that or alot of Disney execs could end up walking home with their tails between their legs if they really did play in the FOX playground abit prematurely.

So yeah either someone will pop up and say sorry Comcast but the deal is already complete and we just kept it a secret... Or things are about that kinda interesting

Or Comcast would not even try at all Without Comcast bid, the deal was not yet even approved. there were other indications that fox could even for go disney and comcast.

 

[BWX]

No wonder it was delayed 18 months! Geez!

The awkward moment when some Marvel fans try to compare an xmen movie to fantastic 4 2015 based on false narratives and the movie ends up like DOFP or Deadpool. that is usually funny. thatguy, you can't stop new mutants from been potentially great and a great addition to the much stale genre. its not preventable.

 

[Drexelhand]

Well if the fox/Disney deal is already complete that means that the moment Comcast put in their bid it should be automically rejected by default. Right?

Even if Murdock says he isn't committed to Disney it doesn't matter since the deal is done. Well either that or alot of Disney execs could end up walking home with their tails between their legs if they really did play in the FOX playground abit prematurely.

So yeah either someone will pop up and say sorry Comcast but the deal is already complete and we just kept it a secret... Or things are about that kinda interesting

The deal was finalized, it was never done. Shareholders were set to vote on the deal next month to see if they wanted to go through with it. If Comcast puts in a bid, the deal may not reach completion because that vote isn't happening then.

 

[BWX]

The deal was finalized, it was never done. Shareholders were set to vote on the deal next month to see if they wanted to go through with it. If Comcast puts in a bid, the deal may not reach completion because that vote isn't happening then.

It would also make shareholders take Comcast into account. the fact that the deal still had to be voted by shareholders was a war in itself, now they have a sweeter option with comcast

 

[Weather Witch]

Nobody is "comprised". People just have their own preferences, which influence their opinions. That said, I'm not buying into anything said here until we see some official sources. Some of it sounds very unlikely for now.

The deal was finalized, it was never done. Shareholders were set to vote on the deal next month to see if they wanted to go through with it. If Comcast puts in a bid, the deal may not reach completion because that vote isn't happening then.

And this is also why stories about Disney changing stuff behind the scenes are complete nonsense.

 

[Weather Witch]

After some considerdation I do want to comment on some of the "spoiler" stuff. Everything below can be googled easily for the sake of verification.

Josh Boone came on board well after production had started and changed a lot of things that made the New Mutants the New Mutants.

In 2014, JB created a New Mutants comic book from existing panels, which they took to Simon Kinberg. This really got the ball rolling with the New Mutants movie in the first place. In May 2015, Fox made a deal with JB to direct and write (together with Lee), and he was involved from the first draft. Therefore the above is completely false.

People representing Disney are already playing a role at this studio.

As I’ve already pointed out, just no.

[On seeing Dark Phoenix]

Even if you’ve Dark Phoenix, you would have seen a single cut, which would be nowhere near finished. To say nothing about the reshoots that are still happening.

Spoiler

X-23 was going to be in New Mutants, nothing was shot, but she is still in the script.

They said in May 2017 that they aren’t looking to use her in the background of other movies, but only focusing on a potential stand-alone movie.

[X-Force being in New Mutants]

No sources anywhere.

It was originally going to be set in what was basically its own X-Verse.

Essentially the same situation as Deadpool, yeah. They were calling it a “standalone spin-off” since 2015. You also mention that Professor X’s face would never be seen though, but Ana Taylor-Joy has said that James McAvoy was set to appear at some point.

the general dislike of what Boone presented to the higher ups, other individuals took control of the project in an attempt to fix what was seen as a disaster.

The complete opposite has been reported. The movie was apparently testing quite well, though of course this could just be PR stuff. But apparently Josh Boone is the one who kinda lost control over time, which he is fixing with the new cut of the movie they are working on now. He is actually taking back control. Now of course this is partly spectulation, but those same reports do point out that Boone's problem with the movie is that it wasn't scary enough anymore. This is in line with what Boone said about "this movie is the hardest PG-13 ever" and wanting to scare the audience.

 

[slugzilla]

Weather Witch,
I have to say I appreciate having this civil conversation with someone who clearly knows the industry they're talking about.

Nevertheless I have few of what I'll call "differing opinions" regarding this film.

1.
New Mutants has been in development in one form or another since at least 2012. That was when I came on board.. It simply wasn't spoken of at the time. Several drafts were considered before JB came on board. I don't have any idea whether the story regarding Boone & Kinberg you make reference to is in any way factual.

2.
While I am not particularly familiar with the legal process involved, I can state with a high degree of certainty that Disney reps have been on set.

3.
You're absolutely right about Dark Phoenix. What I saw was on a friend's laptop, and did not have completed cgi. But it was real bad IMHO.

Spoiler

Regarding X-23:
"They" may have said that about X-23 and that was probably their intention at the time, but things change very rapidly when you're tasked with salvaging a movie.

Regarding New Mutants in X-Force:
This was simply speculation on my part based on what I was hearing from some friends also working on NM.

Regarding McAvoy:
Yes his and Shipp's appearances were being discussed while casting was still taking place. They were both ultimately scrapped. Not sure why. And when I spoke of the X-Men & Xavier being seen only from behind I was referring to an earlier draft that was vastly different than what we ended up with.

Regarding Boone & the reception of NM:
Boone did lose control. Due to the poor reception of the cut from execs/screenings. I know this is a complete 180 from what is being reported, but it is the case. I believe the reports to the contrary to be simple Fox PR spin.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well thing about X23 is

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if they thought about including her in New Mutant that very much likely means they won't be making the X23 spin off with Mangold since that would pretty much take the character and just throwing her into another movie and then expecting Mangold to be like oh ok sure il continue on from where you took my character even if it conflicts with what i set up.

The whole X23 and Colossus thing always sounded like Fanservice to me and that is kinda shocking that FOX would go for the fanservice when they haven't really shown that kinda desperation in the past.

And its not just one but two being taken from other spin off movies to save New Mutants... just like everything else we have heard compared to reports it sounds so far at the end of the other side of the spectrum its almost strange

 

[BWX]

Well thing about X23 is

Spoiler

if they thought about including her in New Mutant that very much likely means they won't be making the X23 spin off with Mangold since that would pretty much take the character and just throwing her into another movie and then expecting Mangold to be like oh ok sure il continue on from where you took my character even if it conflicts with what i said up here.

The whole X23 and Colossus thing always sounded like Fan service to me and thats kinda shocking that FOX would go for the fan service when they haven't really shown that kinda desperation in the past.

It was usually the fans who made these speculations about characters crossing over from various films while FOX never gave in to such ideas

Suddenly its not one but two being taken from various movies to save new mutants... like everything we have heard compared to reports it sounds so far at the end of the other side of the spectrum its almost strange

I don't think X23 is in it.

 

[Weather Witch]

Weather Witch,
I have to say I appreciate having this civil conversation with someone who clearly knows the industry they're talking about.

Nevertheless I have few of what I'll call "differing opinions" regarding this film.

I appriciate the discussion and differing opinions are perfectly fine.

1. New Mutants has been in development in one form or another since at least 2012. That was when I came on board.. It simply wasn't spoken of at the time. Several drafts were considered before JB came on board. I don't have any idea whether the story regarding Boone & Kinberg you make reference to is in any way factual.

Straight from the source:

We had loved this X-Men spinoff, The New Mutants. We had loved Bill Sienkiewicz’s run with Chris Claremont that had Demon Bear. It was really dark, interesting, and different from the typical X-Men stories that we had read.

After I made The Fault in Our Stars, we made Fox a comic book. It walked them through a trilogy of New Mutant films that would build on each other. We used this program called Comic Life, and took all the images we had loved from the series and strung them together to show them the movie we wanted to do.

We brought it to Simon and he really liked it. We’ve been going for the past year and a half to get it ready, and I’m about to go location scout and we have a release date now (...)

With New Mutants, we wrote a few drafts, and I brought in Scott Neustadter and Mike Weber, who are the friends of mine that adapted The Fault in Our Stars, to do a draft while we did something else. My guess is that it will never be done until we’re done shooting! [Laughs]

It’s a different experience, because on my last two movies I went into shooting them with very locked scripts. I knew every beat of what they were going to be. This has been different because it’s constantly morphed as we’ve gone along. It will probably continue to morph as we’re making it.

https://creativescreenwriting.com/josh-boone/

Spoiler

Regarding X-23:
"They" may have said that about X-23 and that was probably their intention at the time, but things change very rapidly when you're tasked with salvaging a movie.

Absolutely, they have also hired Craig Kyle, and James Mangold has been talking about an X-23 movie since february 2017. But yes, things always change. I still find it unlikely that she'll find her way into New Mutants tho, even if I would not be opposed to it.

Regarding Boone & the reception of NM:
Boone did lose control. Due to the poor reception of the cut from execs/screenings. I know this is a complete 180 from what is being reported, but it is the case. I believe the reports to the contrary to be simple Fox PR spin.

That is a complete 180, yes. Time will tell which of the two is true I guess.

 

[BWX]

comcast out bids disney for 65 billion dollars.


https://deadline.com/2018/06/comcast-launches-competing-bid-fox-tops-disneys-offer-1202409389/


Please God let comcast win this.

 

[SumT]

this is a New mutants thread.

 

[Kuwolski]

New user registers and bashes the MCU in the X-Men forums. Here today, gone tomorrow. Rinse and repeat.

 

[BWX]

this is a New mutants thread.

Where is the thread for the bidding war?


anyway, I strongly do believe in my heart the suppose disney bid played a role in this film getting pushed back. there is hope now for the movie if comcast wins.

 

[Kuwolski]

Where is the thread for the bidding war?


anyway, I strongly do believe in my heart the suppose disney bid played a role in this film getting pushed back. there is hope now for the movie if comcast wins.

It's in the Marvel films section, but I wouldn't recommend it you want to extend your gig.

 

[Zarex]

It's in the Marvel films section, but I wouldn't recommend it you want to extend your gig.

He didn't listen.

 

[Kuwolski]

Like a moth to a flame.

 

[The Infernal]

Didn't even get to know him.

 

[slugzilla]

Regarding the Disney/Fox deal, I hate to do this.... But, I told you so..

 

[terry78]

Was a foregone conclusion.

 

[Tymminator]

OK anyone that wants to, just ask a question about the movie, anything you want to know about and I'll answer it. Nothing's off the table, please just keep your questions civil and straight forward. I'll be here for a few hours.

Seems like I missed a opportunity being off the boards for a bit.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Regarding the Disney/Fox deal, I hate to do this.... But, I told you so..

Not sure that works until what you has told us has come to pass and then you can "i told you so" about it.

 

[MadVillainy]

Was a foregone conclusion.

Yeah I don't know why he's saying "I told you so"

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, I'm not sure what's confirmed. The merger isn't being blocked. Is that supposed to confirm that Disney has been running things for months or all the other spoilers about what's happening with the movie?