New Mutants New Mutants News and Discussion - Part 2

[psylockolussus]

Looking forward to the IMAX release of this film!

 

[imbruglia]

didn't know they shoot NM in Imax.
it had small budget and based on trailer, looks like there's no big scens to use imax. hmm
maybe the reshoot will have some imax.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its a conversion.... X-Men Apocalypse wasn't shot with IMAX cameras yet it was screened in IMAX

 

[GuestStar2004]

Dude who cares if FOXMEN fans & lurkers get upset! Keep dropping scoops

Well it won't be seen as a scoop if it turns out to be false.

Yes you say FOXMEN fans get upset but it won't just be FOXMEN fans who get upset if they spent a while believing something that turned out to be false. no one likes to be told BS after all.

 

[Zarex]

Well it won't be seen as a scoop if it turns out to be false.

Yes you say FOXMEN fans get upset but it won't just be FOXMEN fans who get upset if they spent a while believing something that turned out to be false. no one likes to be told BS after all.

In his posts slugzilla clearly differentiated between stuff he'd seen and rumors he'd heard. Unless someone is clearly trolling to generate a reaction - and I don't believe he/she was - there's absolutely no reason to get upset about stuff posted on a superhero message board. This ain't the (Failing!) NYT. If you're coming here for the straight poop you're probably looking in the wrong place.

 

[GuestStar2004]

In his posts slugzilla clearly differentiated between stuff he'd seen and rumors he'd heard. Unless someone is clearly trolling to generate a reaction - and I don't believe he/she was - there's absolutely no reason to get upset about stuff posted on a superhero message board. This ain't the (Failing!) NYT. If you're coming here for the straight poop you're probably looking in the wrong place.

Hey this is the internet remember. everything is taken, twisted and over thought.

 

[GuestStar2004]

John Campea mentioned the anonymous poster on a chat board too and also says it is ridiculous

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[The Infernal]

He's like the Scarlet Pimpernel. No one can find him, this mysterious poster on a message board.

Seriously. Why do none of these guys ever credit the source?

 

[slugzilla]

John Campea mentioned the anonymous poster on a chat board too and also says it is ridiculous

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I find the idea put forth by many so called pundits & the gentleman in this video, that Disney has had absolutely zero influence over the studio they will soon own, their soon to be employees and the decisions that they make, along with the assersion that everything was above board, completely honest and perfectly up to government standards to be quite laughable.

As I have said from the beginning, most everyone that I knew and spoke with on set were well aware of the fact that for all intents and purposes the Mouse would soon own the house, so to say.

While I may be somewhat of a newbie to this industry, even I, the lowly peon that I am, personally had conversations with nearly a half dozen "unofficial representatives" from Disney, during the last couple months of shooting. This was on set, at the freaking hospital, back in August & September, I believe, possibly as far back as July.

It was easy to tell who they were, they weren't even trying to hide the fact that they were from Disney, they were open about it. I could make an argument that at least one of them was flaunting about their affiliation with Disney lol.

 

[slugzilla]

He's like the Scarlet Pimpernel. No one can find him, this mysterious poster on a message board.

Seriously. Why do none of these guys ever credit the source?

I'd rather not be found. I prefer maintaining employment. I have done everything I could think of to remain anonymous. Heck, most everything posted by "slugzilla" is dictated via text to an old friend of mine from elementary school.

 

[Marvel united]

I believe you. You've been on this forum for 16 years, I see no reason for you to lie.

This guy was right about New Mutants

 

[Tymminator]

I think Hulu over Netflix.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

I believe you. You've been on this forum for 16 years, I see no reason for you to lie.

This guy was right about New Mutants

Look at his comments prior New Mutants.


About Fantastic Four Animated Series

10-18-2007

The show is not cancelled. Just fan speculation at this point.

He was wrong!

 

[1627523]

I find the idea put forth by many so called pundits & the gentleman in this video, that Disney has had absolutely zero influence over the studio they will soon own, their soon to be employees and the decisions that they make, along with the assersion that everything was above board, completely honest and perfectly up to government standards to be quite laughable.

As I have said from the beginning, most everyone that I knew and spoke with on set were well aware of the fact that for all intents and purposes the Mouse would soon own the house, so to say.

While I may be somewhat of a newbie to this industry, even I, the lowly peon that I am, personally had conversations with nearly a half dozen "unofficial representatives" from Disney, during the last couple months of shooting. This was on set, at the freaking hospital, back in August & September, I believe, possibly as far back as July.

It was easy to tell who they were, they weren't even trying to hide the fact that they were from Disney, they were open about it. I could make an argument that at least one of them was flaunting about their affiliation with Disney lol.

seriously I gotta ask why is Disney infatuated with New Mutants of all movies. Do they have a fetish for it or something? Also what is the point of Disney representatives on set? Were they there just to say hi or were they telling Boone what to do? It's just baffling IMO

 

[GuestStar2004]

I find the idea put forth by many so called pundits & the gentleman in this video, that Disney has had absolutely zero influence over the studio they will soon own, their soon to be employees and the decisions that they make, along with the assersion that everything was above board, completely honest and perfectly up to government standards to be quite laughable.

Well if you go by what John said then if Disney are getting their foot in the door early when they shouldn't be then they are pretty much risking sabotaging the deal and themselves if the government found out which is apparently still at a delicate phase right now.

Its not just a case of whether anyone is honest and standard. its a case of why would they even touch FOX if that could risk them losing FOX? doesn't that sound dumb? well thats what you are saying Disney are doing and not many are convinced Disney would risk that.

It doesn't matter whether everyone knows they will own it soon, they are still apparently not allowed to do that for the sake of the deal.

 

[Cktopl33]

In his posts slugzilla clearly differentiated between stuff he'd seen and rumors he'd heard.

Except there's one glaring problem here. From Slugzilla's last posting claiming "clarity", the post said Slugzilla specifically highlighted all movies except New Mutants as based on things heard or merely reporting rumors that were relayed to Slugzilla:

I would like to concede the fact that the rumors I heard and reported on from various individuals regarding Dark Phoenix, Externals, and Gambit may not be accurate.

If I recall correctly I believe I made it clear when posting these rumors that they were not coming directly from me, but that I was relaying information that I had been told. As I was simply told these things, it is certainly possible I may have been mislead regarding the films I had nothing to do with.

For whatever it is worth, if the information regarding the films aside from New Mutants does turn out to be false, I would like to apologize to everyone on these forums and those involved in the creation of those movies.

Now that doesn't add up. Slugzilla toward the beginning of June stated:

You're absolutely right about Dark Phoenix. What I saw was on a friend's laptop, and did not have completed cgi. But it was real bad IMHO.

Now that's not based on something Slugzilla was "told" or rumors. So, which is it? Was Slugzilla's claim of watching the movie on a laptop truthful or not? How could Slugzilla claim

I apologize for reporting these things that were not personally witnessed by me"

Did he/she not personally watch the movie then? What? That also bring up a host of other questions. If Slugzilla claimed to have watched it on a "friend's laptop", who would have access to an entire cut of the movie on a laptop?

Slugzilla

I find the idea put forth by many so called pundits & the gentleman in this video, that Disney has had absolutely zero influence over the studio they will soon own, their soon to be employees and the decisions that they make, along with the assersion that everything was above board, completely honest and perfectly up to government standards to be quite laughable.

If they did otherwise, it would put the merger in jeopardy and Disney/Fox in serious legal trouble. I also wouldn't say "soon to be employees" since there will be thousands laid off as such is typical of a merger/acquisition. It's also extremely odd there's so much emphasis on controlling these specific Fox films and be virtually unconcerned about the state of any of the other films Fox will soon release in the near future also soon to be absorbed by Disney.

 

[Zarex]

Why would Disney reps showing up in set jeopardize the deal? What county, state of federal law were they in danger of violating? Regardless of any pending deals between Iger and the Murdochs, both New Mutants and Dark Phoenix are movies based on Disney owned characters. It may have raised eyebrows if Disney types were hanging around the set of The Predator. But not movies about Disney owned IP.

 

[Cktopl33]

Why would Disney reps showing up in set jeopardize the deal? What county, state of federal law were they in danger of violating? Regardless of any pending deals between Iger and the Murdochs, both New Mutants and Dark Phoenix are movies based on Disney owned characters. It may have raised eyebrows if Disney types were hanging around the set of The Predator. But not movies about Disney owned IP.

Except they aren't "Disney owned" yet. That's the point. This is referring to film rights. The merger isn't complete. Disney can have no say in how Fox handles ANY of their films (just like all the other previous x-men properties or non-Marvel characters/franchises/original films) until the merger is fully complete. Entering into merger/acquisitions establishes specific legal acts regarding the interactions of both businesses.

These circulating rumors could also potentially jeopardize the merger deal or possibly delay it further. Once all the international regulatory approvals are done, it will come back to the DOJ for completion. The DOJ will have to enter the deal into the Federal Register where anyone can file comments on the transaction during a 60-day comment period. It’ll be up to a federal judge to decide whether to sign off on the settlement. These rumors could open up a situation of another level of scrutiny since the administration's previous approval seem hastily and unusually rushed by many; or more accurately put "Got DOJ’s greenlight quicker than expected".

 

[Zarex]

Except they aren't "Disney owned" yet. That's the point. This is referring to film rights. The merger isn't complete. Disney can have no say in how Fox handles ANY of their films (just like all the other previous x-men properties or non-Marvel characters/franchises/original films) until the merger is fully complete. Entering into merger/acquisitions establishes specific legal acts regarding the interactions of both businesses.

Marvel and Fox have had a working relationship since the 90s and Fox has been working with Disney for the past 8 years. This was not an arms length transaction. Both companies have been up in each other's business for some time. At times Disney/Marvel has had a lot of input in Fox licensed films and in others they havent. That's up to the discretion of both parties. Also the DOJ was extremely supportive of the deal and wouldn't have said boo if Disney started calling the shots early.

 

[Cktopl33]

Marvel and Fox have had a working relationship since the 90s and Fox has been working with Disney for the past 8 years. This was not an arms length transaction. Both companies have been up in each other's business for some time. At times Disney/Marvel has had a lot of input in Fox licensed films and in others they havent. That's up to the discretion of both parties. Also the DOJ was extremely supportive of the deal and wouldn't have said boo if Disney started calling the shots early.

Disney can't call shots "early". That's not legally possible with mergers/acquisitions. If there is any hint of illegal action, that opens up a host of serious problems regardless of how supportive DOJ was at the start of the merger. They would be dealing with what was lawful or not.

Marvel involvement with with 20th Century Fox had to do with film licensing agreements for Fox to use said characters. Disney/Marvel couldn't dictate anything about how a film would be made or what would be green-lit/halted. This is seen clearly when there was a legal negotiation to use Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver. Neither studio had involvement on how those characters were used in each other's films.

Others at Fox hint that the deal is not affecting what they're doing at the moment until it becomes official:

“It does not affect this project in any way, shape or form is what I was told,” says Bendis of the looming merger. “At least at the moment, it’s certainly decisions over my pay-grade if it ends up doing so.”

Fox has several other “secret” projects in development, including a Silver Surfer stand-alone feature that is being written by comics creator Brian K. Vaughn. “We are going 100 miles per hour,” says one executive involved…

On the Fox lot, phrases like “it’s business as usual” reverberate in conversations with agents and execs. “We actually have way more in development and production in Marvel IP than at any point in the history of the studio,” says a Fox insider. “There’s been zero slowdown on that front given Disney.”

 

[slugzilla]

To further clarify:
Yes I have seen an unfinished cut of Dark Phoenix on a friend's laptop. I don't follow how this is inconsistent with what I've said. Please explain your point more clearly so I may respond properly. Thanks.

 

[slugzilla]

Let's play a game shall we?

Imagine you are an employee of a major company, and word circulates that an even bigger company is soon going to own the company you work for. You know there will be layoffs & you become aware of the fact that high ranking people in this company that will soon be taking over are particularly unhappy with one of your projects. Would you make a point of how this new company isn't in charge quite yet, flippantly ignoring their displeasure and push your project forward unchanged no matter the fact that it will probably cost you your job and livelihood, or would you try to do something to alter your project to appease them, hopefully keeping your job and getting in the good graces of the next boss? Be realistic, what would you do in that scenario?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Let's play a game shall we?

Imagine you are an employee of a major company, and word circulates that an even bigger company is soon going to own the company you work for. You know there will be layoffs & you become aware of the fact that high ranking people in this company that will soon be taking over are particularly unhappy with one of your projects. Would you make a point of how this new company isn't in charge quite yet, flippantly ignoring their displeasure and push your project forward unchanged no matter the fact that it will probably cost you your job and livelihood, or would you try to do something to alter your project to appease them, hopefully keeping your job and getting in the good graces of the next boss? Be realistic, what would you do in that scenario?

Go on a forum under an anonymous name and tell people?

Joking aside, Disney are still walking a thin line even being there it seems.

But then id also point out that you have been arguing that Disney already owned them and were already planning stuff even before Comcast got involved with a higher bid and stopped everything in its tracks. and even then you argued Disney owned fox and were waiting to brag about it.

 

[slugzilla]

Go on a forum under an anonymous name and tell people?

Joking aside, Disney are still walking a thin line even being there it seems.

But then id also point out that you have been arguing that Disney already owned them and were already planning stuff even before Comcast got involved with a higher bid and stopped everything in its tracks. and even then you argued Disney owned fox and were waiting to brag about it.

I never said that Disney already owned fox. I said that many, including myself knew that Comcast never really had a chance because in the end Murdoch & Co wanted to sell to Disney. This never changed, even when Comcast got involved, we all knew that Disney was going to win in the end based on word of mouth and some other things... The process was never stopped in its tracks, it was all a foregone conclusion all along that Disney would come out on top. Disney would not be outbid in the end, the Fox characters were too important to the mouse's future plans, they would stop at nothing to win.

And I while I am not going to go into further details than I already have, I have seen evidence that would suggest that Disney has been making plans for certain Fox/Marvel characters for a very long time now.

 

[Cktopl33]

Let's play a game shall we?

Imagine you are an employee of a major company, and word circulates that an even bigger company is soon going to own the company you work for. You know there will be layoffs & you become aware of the fact that high ranking people in this company that will soon be taking over are particularly unhappy with one of your projects. Would you make a point of how this new company isn't in charge quite yet, flippantly ignoring their displeasure and push your project forward unchanged no matter the fact that it will probably cost you your job and livelihood, or would you try to do something to alter your project to appease them, hopefully keeping your job and getting in the good graces of the next boss? Be realistic, what would you do in that scenario?

I would think realistically. 1st, the merger isn't a guarantee. It's the reason why they say "business as usual until then". There's still a lot to go in the coming months ahead. 2nd, should a project still be active when the merger is complete, it will be Disney's call on what to do with it then. Proper notice on it's status will be given at that point. It will not give you any more guarantee that your job is safe by acting as if altering your project in a certain way will appease incoming new managers, supervisors, bosses. Especially in this scenario. At the time that an acquisition is announced, there is typically a large amount of “synergies” between the two companies that will help offset the purchase cost. That means that the two companies will have a large number of people who will be doing the same job, and that half of those jobs will be redundant after the merger. Thus, layoffs. One person's advice:

"Everything you have done....Doesn't Matter. The fact that you are good at your current job is not a guarantee that your position is safe in the company going forward. Many corporations have a bad habit of boxing their employees into vary narrow roles. These employees become an expert in one thing, but have no opportunities to understand how the work they are doing will likely be irrelevant. After the merger dust settles: teams will be combined, managers will take on new roles, and job functions can shift dramatically. You need to make an effort to diversify yourself and learn some new skills as soon as possible. Ask lots of questions. Do your best to ignore the office rumor mill. Don’t listen to the chatter and certainly don’t contribute to it. “The information in the gossip network is probably inaccurate; it will be highly emotional; and there will be lots of venting”. Lastly, Reality Check: You Still Need to Prepare For the Worst."

You might like to look forward to the day when the dust settles and your work life returns to normal. Post-Merger & Acquisitions, that’s not bound to happen. That’s because the tough nut to crack is integration of the cultures, systems and people. That could take years. During that process, every aspect of your job could continue to change. No, don’t anticipate settling in.

When hasn't Disney been unhappy with something Fox does? Whatever Fox does currently before the merger closes next year...won't matter. Whether Fox release films in-between that period or not won't have anything to do with what Disney will set up later. That shouldn't be one's concerned in regard to job security. One's day-to-day responsibilities of their current job continue until the merger is done. Preparing to get involved into "integration" projects is what should be the focus, being willing and eager to branch into new roles and responsibilities. This is important because even if one remained employed after the merger, their job could be changed significantly, which equate adjustments. The acquiring company has a mandate to reduce the number of employees performing similar jobs, therefore those with the most knowledge and in–demand skills often remain.

It should be a no-brainier to everyone that Disney is likely to sever any ties to the Fox universe when they start merging these properties into the MCU. So it wouldn't matter what Fox does with their projects. There would be no connection to Disney concerning them anyway. Fox has always been doing their own thing with these Marvel properties separate from the MCU. This is nothing new. Disney has no say in it and will already have their people in place to take over once they start green-lighting new projects after the merger is fully complete. Once Fox complete their final films, that chapter closes. Disney moves on with their own. How useful someone's skill sets are will determine whether they keep their job.