New Superman Retuns: TMG interview.

[Horrorfan]

The film broke even worldwide, for a man obsessed with making a profit, you seem to disregard the possibility of merchandising success pretty quickly, you biased fanboy.

And in writing this post, I have made a discovery.

My suspicions have been confirmed, you're a Marvel fanboy. That's why you've been holding X-men 3 over Superman Returns, it can be the only logical conclusion.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU HATE BATMAN BEGINS!

Now with THWIP* I can understand it, because he worships Spider-man and therefore his whole view of the Superhero Movie genre is seen through that lense, and he doesn't give any credit to X-men 3. But for you, who seem to be a rational person, to support X-men 3 for it's sales alone, despite it's horrible quality... may you find mercy somewhere.

Here's coming from a non-biased man: X-men 3 sucks, Batman Begins is awesome.

Superman Returns is a great movie, better than Marvel films such as Daredevil and the entirety of the Blade Trilogy.

Now I really enjoyed Daredevil, Blade and especially The Punisher, and as quickly as I can say that Catwoman and a host of other DC movies (Batman primarily, didn't like the first four) were crap, I can say Superman Returns is a great movie, and that X-men 3 is the model of Hollywood's banality.

X Men 3 was awesome. I personally think idiots are the ones who all group together and say Batman Begins was awesome for the sake of it, ESPECIALLY when it isn't even the best Batman movie (Batman Returns had more style, emotion and pretty much everything that kicked Begin's ass). It was ''cool'' to hate X Men 3 before it had even finished wrapping. I refuse to believe any movie fan with access to the internet who hated the movie wasn't influenced by all the behind the scenes news and rumours. I would bet my money every single one was. But my love for x men was way stronger than listening to rumours and hearsay, and I loved the movie.

Im not saying X3 was better than supes or bats because of the numbers, Im saying it was a better film, period. But damn does it feel good that it outperformed both, ESPECIALLY superman.

I am a marvel fanboy yes. But I find some aspects of dc interesting. I think Batman is pretty much THE only character worth a damn in dc, (constantine too if you count him) and I LOVE Batman Returns. I just felt Batman Begins is highly overrated. I don't hate it at all, it's totally watchable, but it's not a film I'd own on dvd because I just didn't think it was that special.

Superman Returns is far from breaking even. Untill someone can prove otherwise, it has to make four hundred million box office worldwide. Those are the figures I have heard and I believe it. Even then, a film is only TRULY considered a sucess when it makes a profit domestically. The sad truth is the movie studios don't care as much about the world wide profit. For example, Van Helsing made 400 mill worldwide but not its budget domestically. Hence studios lost interest in it. And you can read ANYWHERE on the net (from non-biased sources too) that almost everyone regards superman as an underperforming faliure. You see, studios want HUGE numbers domestically, ala X3 (on a budget of 160) or either superman in films like this. even if it broke even domestically it could make a series viable. and despite what bryan singer says, I truly doubt you will see a sequel any time in the near future. It sucks if you liked the film, but thats the way it is.

Like I say about merchandise numbers too, you get me numbers, I'll admit it. But as far as I can see, its hanging on the shelves like a series of interacial gay cowboy figures being sold in texas.

 

[Horrorfan]

The film broke even worldwide, for a man obsessed with making a profit, you seem to disregard the possibility of merchandising success pretty quickly, you biased fanboy.

And in writing this post, I have made a discovery.

My suspicions have been confirmed, you're a Marvel fanboy. That's why you've been holding X-men 3 over Superman Returns, it can be the only logical conclusion.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU HATE BATMAN BEGINS!

Now with THWIP* I can understand it, because he worships Spider-man and therefore his whole view of the Superhero Movie genre is seen through that lense, and he doesn't give any credit to X-men 3. But for you, who seem to be a rational person, to support X-men 3 for it's sales alone, despite it's horrible quality... may you find mercy somewhere.

Here's coming from a non-biased man: X-men 3 sucks, Batman Begins is awesome.

Superman Returns is a great movie, better than Marvel films such as Daredevil and the entirety of the Blade Trilogy.

Now I really enjoyed Daredevil, Blade and especially The Punisher, and as quickly as I can say that Catwoman and a host of other DC movies (Batman primarily, didn't like the first four) were crap, I can say Superman Returns is a great movie, and that X-men 3 is the model of Hollywood's banality.

Breaking even worldwide is NOT a sucess. With movies like superman, of a budget of $250 million WITHOUT marketing, thats somewhat disasterous. It will probably scrape a profit in the end, but its like making a film for fifty bucks to make 3 dollars profit. You can look on any sites that box office mojo and see that all the major analysts basically see it as a flop, or at best, an underperformer. Why do you think Van Helsing didn't get a sequel? It did great worldwide, not as good as hoped domestically. In the end, domestic is all that really matters to hollywood.

Also X3 isn't better because of the box office numbers, it better than the films period. It boggles my mind that people say its bad, but then I remember that they are probably the same people who got caught up in the pre-production rumours and hatred steming from certain sites. I certainly don't think they would be trashing it otherwise, it was just the ''cool'' thing to bash on. X3 is a great movie. No arguments. Period.


I am a marvel fanboy. Most of DC's characters are pure ****. But I am a huge fan of Batman Returns, I liked the Batman Begins game a lot, and I even thought BB was a decent film. I have never, as far as I can recall, called the movie crappy. I just said it's highly overrated, and it is. It's watchable. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not even the best batman movie by a large margin. I loved constantine's movie too if you count that as dc.

Basically, Im honest. I dont get caught up in the backstage stuff (and I really dont/cant believe anyone who hated x3 didn't get caught up in it) and if a movies good, Ill say so. Batman Begins was watchable....but nothing more, and certainly can't touch the quality of Blade and Blade 2, all 3 x men's, batman returns, hellboy, the crow, and many more (but in fairness it was better than the crappy punisher, daredevil and man-thing movies from marvel).

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Batman Begins was great. X3 was 'watchable'. My opinion of Begins doesn't effect mine on X3. I loved the first 2 X-Men. The 3rd was just so weak and sucked, especially compared to it's predecessors. I'd watch Begins and Superman Returns anyday over X3.

I am a marvel fanboy. Most of DC's characters are pure ****

Marvel isn't much better. They rely on Spider-Man and Wolverine just as much as DC relies on Batman and Superman.

 

[gildea]

IMO
Batman begins was fabulous and the best batman movie made thus far
xmen 3 wasn't a great movie (t'was decent) but did have some of the best comic action scenes ever (magneto lifting the bridge was amazing)
superman returns was a better movie than x3 but not a better comic book movie (if that makes any sense)

 

[Mister Sinister]

Playable Bizarro -

 

[The Punisher]

That's going to be fun.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Extremely

 

[jaydawg]

Meh. I dont get all the X3 hate myself. I thought both films were quite entertaining, both with glaring issues. Cyclops "death," Wolverine's "love" for Jean. The crappiness that was Spacey's Luthor and, of course, Superboy. Point is, by Christmas, both are going to be on my DVD rack.

And for the record, Superman Returns was the better film, but not by a particularly large margin. If only Lex was like Timm's Luthor, Jason didnt exist and that dumbass land plot wasnt there. Oh and it was more Timm than Donner. God I love Timmverse. Best representation of DC ever.

 

[The Punisher]

I liked X3 alot, it just had a few flaws that didn't go weel with me. Other than that i agree SR was better cept the kid. I really don't look forward to how older he'll be in the sequel.

 

[Horrorfan]

Bryan Singer wants a sequel, but I don't see it happening in the near future, if at all. It just isn't worth the money (in the studios eyes) if it can't do well domestically. Im not even saying that because I hate the movie.I loved Van Helsing, it did fantastically when overseas is taken into account, but it didnt do amazingly well domestically. T Think about it.....Hellboy, X Men spin offs like wolverine, avp2, ect all pretty much got sequels green lighted as soon as the first weekend domestic numbers came in, whereas WB's silence on SR tells you all you need to know.

 

[The Punisher]

I kinda agree, the only one who seems confident there will be a sequel is Singer himself. WB hasn't said anything.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I dont know, i loved Superman Returns, i loved X-Men 3, i loved Batman Begins. I saw Superman and X-Men a couple of times and i watch Begins alot. I just think the ppl who "hate" these movies went into the theater with wayyy to many expectations.They wanted this, and that and this and didnt want that, blah blah blah. Just go in there to be entertained, itll make the movie better.
As for the Superman game, its one of my most anticipated games for this year.

 

[Mr. Vice]

X-Men 3 was entertaining and dissapointing at the same time.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

It just struck me that the next Batman movie game will inevitably be free roam as well

 

[Brainiac 8]

It just struck me that the next Batman movie game will inevitably be free roam as well

As it should be. I think free roaming Gotham would be awsome.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I kinda agree, the only one who seems confident there will be a sequel is Singer himself. WB hasn't said anything.

Have you read how Singer is now blaming the marketing on how bad it's doing, not blaming the bad writing direction. I think it's funny.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Have you read how Singer is now blaming the marketing on how bad it's doing, not blaming the bad writing direction. I think it's funny.

Singer said that?! HA!

 

[The Punisher]

Have you read how Singer is now blaming the marketing on how bad it's doing, not blaming the bad writing direction. I think it's funny.

Yes, i read that and i think it's BS on so many levels. Superman Returns marketing was everywhere.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

They have a new voice actor for Bizarro. I'd rather they just had Routh act like a goofball with a funny voice. Oh well.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

Have you read how Singer is now blaming the marketing on how bad it's doing, not blaming the bad writing direction. I think it's funny.

I don't think Superman Returns had "bad writing" at all. I actually think for a movie trying to make the 70's Superman movies relevant to today that it was very successful and very well made.

I think the movie was well marketted too.

I think the biggest problem for this movie was the insurmountable Pirates movie. That and, Superman just isn't that popular of a Superhero these days. To say Superman Returns performed "bad" is an incredible overstatement. You're acting like it made 20 million, while it's actually well over 300 million.

Internet movie fanboy critics...

 

[Brainiac 8]

Yes, i read that and i think it's BS on so many levels. Superman Returns marketing was everywhere.

That's what is hilarious at his excuse he made, if the movie had nothing else, it had mucho marketing behind it.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I don't think Superman Returns had "bad writing" at all. I actually think for a movie trying to make the 70's Superman movies relevant to today that it was very successful and very well made.

I think the movie was well marketted too.

I think the biggest problem for this movie was the insurmountable Pirates movie. That and, Superman just isn't that popular of a Superhero these days. To say Superman Returns performed "bad" is an incredible overstatement. You're acting like it made 20 million, while it's actually well over 300 million.

Internet movie fanboy critics...

Don't get me wrong WHF, first of all I just find it ironic him making excuses that don't make sense.

Two, I actually enjoyed the movie for what it was, but there is better Superman media out there. And your correct, it is doing well, but compared to other movies of a similar genre, and compared to WB's own expectations, it's not doing so hot. They are quite a bit shy domestically from the 260 mill they spent to make that movie. Personally, I hope it does make it's ultimate goal, because I would love to see a sequel.

And as far as the writing direction, there were deffinatly some bad writing decisions. The kid, Richard, Kate Bosworth, another Real estate scheme. I love the throw backs to the original movies, the first two are some of the best movies ever made, but there is a difference between honoring something and rehashing an old idea, which is what this movie did. That is the reason I'm sure it didn't take off like they thought it would. That, and the lack of any real action scenes besides the plane bit. Even with those gripes I have, I did enjoy the movie, and love Superman (thus my forum name), and would like to see a sequel.

So don't blindly throw the fanboy term, unless you know everything behind my view on it.

Oh...and Superman is still quite a popular Superhero, Superman with a kid; not so much.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

I agree Superman having a kid is a wrench in the machine, but he's a permanent and much less solvable problem for Superman to have.

 

[Mentok]

I think its very dodgy they didnt have ANYTHING on this game at ComicCon

 

[Brainiac 8]

I think its very dodgy they didnt have ANYTHING on this game at ComicCon

It's EA, what can you say?